FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #26

[hopetohelp]

so is it brother to mother or boyfriend to mother (often called "uncle" in families where there are boyfriends), or dad's brother?

dancing around in a circle trying to figure out how to answer this one and stay out of TOS

Ummm... If you go back and read the article several entries back that has a link to the news story? - Can't remember who posted it exactly, but anyway, in that article the identity of the Uncle is clear.

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

copied from the above document



Killers' Occupations
Construction Worker
28%
Truck Driver
8%
Food Industry Worker
8%
Student
7%
Service Industry
5%
Auto Maintenance
4%

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

more quotes from the article


Living Arrangements Of The Killers
Living With Parents
34%
Living Alone
17%
Girlfiiend/Boyfriend
16%
Spouse &/or Children
15%
Other Room-mates
12%
Other
7

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

more quotes from the article
Contrary to another popular belief, child abduction killers are not "loners" in the strictest sense--only 17 percent of them live alone, while 83 percent are living with someone else (Table 11). However, who they are living with may be more unusual. Oddly enough, 34 percent of these male killers who average 27 years old, are still living with their parents, which in a broader sense, could qualify them as loners--or social isolates from other young adult males or females with whom they might be intimate and share a residence

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

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They may not truly be
loners, but they are more likely to be "social isolates," particularly from their
peers, both male and female.
They are also quite mobile--they change their residences quite often, more than most people. Seventy-nine percent of these killers moved at least once within the past five years. This may not be that unusual, but 43 percent of them changed residences three or more times, and 21 percent moved five or more times during the five years preceding the murder. They do not seem to stay anywhere very long, where they could (or would) connect themselves to others or to a place. Or, vice versa, because they are less attached to significant others, they are more free and, therefore, more likely to move often.

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

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Perceived Lifestyle Of Killers
Described as "Strange"
40%
Alcohol Abuser
32%
Drug UserIAbuser
27%
Friendly To Children
21%
Reclusive
20%
Sexually Promiscuous
19%
TransientISemi-transient
16%
Rather, they are most commonly described by others as "strange" (40%). Since the killers could be described with more than one term, a number of other "deviant" lifestyle characteristics are often apparent (Table 12). For example, 32 percent are identified as alcohol abusers and 27 percent as drug abusers

 

[Noway]

This might be the story you are talking about. (uncle of little girl who was friends with Somer)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

Can you tell I love this article! Another quote


In short, whereas the typical victim might be described as "the kid next door," the killers were not (before they became identified as a murderer) and are not the kind of guy you would want living in your neighborhood

 

[human]

I just don't see it being an insider because of the way she was reported missing and because of her age. The odds are way on the side of it being a stranger or passing aquaintance, and I have to go by the odds based on how each scenario presents itself.

This is a really good analysis of many of the different factors in child adbuction murders:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

more quotes


Prior Crimes Against Children By The Killers
Sexual Assault (Non-Rape) 45% Rape (or attempt) 31% Murder (or attempt) 28% Kidnap 19% Assault 15%

 

[Noway]

I see that the printable flyer at that link does not include the hat/scarf or anything about a book bag. (I think mention of the lunch box was quite a bit later.)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/lib/1/1/3/0/13016f21-0999-42bb-bcf3-a0fe3c80395a/somerflyer.pdf

 

[hopetohelp]

And I would think that IF the compactor had crushed her body, LE would not have been so quick to recognize COD either. How could they if she was crushed? I have thought and still think that the fatal wounds recognizable by LE as a homicide were to the face or head. This makes me think that the body was intact and not crushed especially since DTs statement that she got to bury ALL of her not just PART of her. If the body had been crushed and cut up from the compactor, how could she have been so sure that she got to bury ALL of her?

Also she was found "partially covered" (I take that to mean with trash) with only her legs sticking out. Wouldn't the compactor have crushed or cut up her legs also so they would not be able to see the birthmark so easily?

It's a good question. I think that strangulation (and asphyxiation) are pretty noticeable on autopsy, even with damage from the compactor. For one thing, the compactor damage would have been post mortem, probably at least twelve hours post mortem. ME's can tell which injuries are post mortem. But also, specifically, the hyoid bone is usually broken in the strangulation of adults, but not necessarily with children, because their bones are more flexible. Bruises are apparent in kind of a characteristic fashion on the neck (ligature markings or the mark of hands around the neck). You also see petechial hemorrhaging in the eyes and facial congestion. This hemorrhaging couldn't occur after death when the blood stops flowing.

Although I could be wrong (not a doctor or anything), I don't think the body bruises so many hours after death, so I think you would have post mortem injuries from the compactor, but they wouldn't bruise or bleed. To sum it up, I think that a good ME could definitely tell the injuries apart.

 

[human]

Based on statistics, I think a 27 year old who lives with parents and is unemployed or has one of the jobs such as construction and is a prior felon is a good start for the perp. One that moves around a lot.

CWG sure fits, for me.

 

[hopetohelp]

copied from the above document



Killers' Occupations
Construction Worker
28%
Truck Driver
8%
Food Industry Worker
8%
Student
7%
Service Industry
5%
Auto Maintenance
4%

Yeah, I certainly find THAT one interesting!

 

[hopetohelp]

Based on statistics, I think a 27 year old who lives with parents and is unemployed or has one of the jobs such as construction and is a prior felon is a good start for the perp. One that moves around a lot.

CWG sure fits, for me.

So does GV...

 

[infinity14]

Infinity or MammaD, were one of you looking for the name of Mc........? Look at this link from ccane. There is a person with a first name Mc..... Could this be what you were remembering?

No,
I was trying to find out why I looked up the last name of Mcintyre on the Clay Co Clerk of Courts site. I'm thinking it was either an RSO or someone's house in the neighborhood I was looking up.

 

[hopetohelp]

This might be the story you are talking about. (uncle of little girl who was friends with Somer)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Yup. That's the one.

 

[human]

Yup. That's the one.

I must be really dense, but I can't figure out what the uncle relationship is.

 

[ccane]

There was discussion earlier on LE identifying very quickly on that it was homicide based on COD without an autopsy being performed.

I am in no way saying that she was or wasn't strangled. This is like totally gross to even be thinking about it, but do you think strangling would be so instantly recognizable? I mean after all of the other trauma the body must have gone through.

I'm just asking. Not putting down anyone's ideas.

The red hair ribbon around the neck

 

[zannah]

He seemed too concerned for his niece (or hamming it up,) as if he was in some type of "father figure" role. He told Mckenzie to never get a ride from anyone unless it was himself, her mother, or others who pick her up. I assume is the brother of the mother.

Coming to think of it, a person who used to have or has a tile business may have construction materials laying around the house or garage, something that may have stuck to the victim and, though not from construction work, it may appear to come from a construction site.

Hmmm...

I totally agree--his comments felt "off" to me. Downplaying the "squabble" but making a big deal of "stranger danger." I also wondered who the "others" might be that would be sent to pick little girl up--it appears there may be an older sibling or cousin, who might be in the park area playing baseball or softball.

 

[human]

I am still thinking that the reaction from the owner of DV and B was strange, IMO.

Very hostile. Not that anyone wants a place they are working on to be the focus, but he seemed not empathetic at all. It seems like macho controlling type of behavior .