FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[Ms Suzanne]

Could be, but I read as they didn't feel the need to expand-out further, for whatever reason. Immediately after the 3 mile radius, the moved to 5 then stopped or at least we have been told.

I think they felt it was someone locally that killed Somer.Why I don't know.

 

[zannah]

Any hints to your speculation? It certainly can spring board people's thoughts.TIA

I was thinking about the Gano house, and remembered a report early on about a Chinese food container being removed from the location when it was processed. So I looked for nearby Chinese restaurants, and came up with one (Ming Moon) on Kingsley. Looked to have a commercial dumpster in the back. Then I started looking at nearby businesses, to see if there was any plausible connection between somebody working in that area and the Gano house. There is a real estate office next door that has a Kyle listed as an agent; coincidentally he is also a firefighter.

It's only the slimmest of connections, so I was hesitant to put anything out there, but if you add together the Chinese food, the rumor about soot, the proximity to and likely familiarity with the Gano house, the probable access to a lockbox if one was used at the house, and the ability to use a badge of some sort to project an official appearance, it seemed like something that might bear further investigation. It would also offer a possible explanation for keeping the last name out of the news story.

On the flip side, Kyle was reported to be part of the crew, and that doesn't seem to fit. And I haven't located any information that would indicate the Gano house was listed for sale or anything like that that would give a reason for the person being there that day. And there was a report of Kyle being swabbed for DNA, so you'd think LE would know if there was involvement on his part. So as I said, pure speculation of the leave-no-stone-unturned variety at this point.

 

[cathdawg]

I was thinking about the Gano house, and remembered a report early on about a Chinese food container being removed from the location when it was processed. So I looked for nearby Chinese restaurants, and came up with one (Ming Moon) on Kingsley. Looked to have a commercial dumpster in the back. Then I started looking at nearby businesses, to see if there was any plausible connection between somebody working in that area and the Gano house. There is a real estate office next door that has a Kyle listed as an agent; coincidentally he is also a firefighter.

It's only the slimmest of connections, so I was hesitant to put anything out there, but if you add together the Chinese food, the rumor about soot, the proximity to and likely familiarity with the Gano house, the probable access to a lockbox if one was used at the house, and the ability to use a badge of some sort to project an official appearance, it seemed like something that might bear further investigation. It would also offer a possible explanation for keeping the last name out of the news story.

On the flip side, Kyle was reported to be part of the crew, and that doesn't seem to fit. And I haven't located any information that would indicate the Gano house was listed for sale or anything like that that would give a reason for the person being there that day. And there was a report of Kyle being swabbed for DNA, so you'd think LE would know if there was involvement on his part. So as I said, pure speculation of the leave-no-stone-unturned variety at this point.

Interesting, perhaps Kyle the agent/fireman was at the home that day . Just thinking, maybe he was checking up on the reno's in hope to get a listing from the owner. Is the Co. called assist you to sell on Wells? TIA

 

[human]

I was thinking about the Gano house, and remembered a report early on about a Chinese food container being removed from the location when it was processed. So I looked for nearby Chinese restaurants, and came up with one (Ming Moon) on Kingsley. Looked to have a commercial dumpster in the back. Then I started looking at nearby businesses, to see if there was any plausible connection between somebody working in that area and the Gano house. There is a real estate office next door that has a Kyle listed as an agent; coincidentally he is also a firefighter.

It's only the slimmest of connections, so I was hesitant to put anything out there, but if you add together the Chinese food, the rumor about soot, the proximity to and likely familiarity with the Gano house, the probable access to a lockbox if one was used at the house, and the ability to use a badge of some sort to project an official appearance, it seemed like something that might bear further investigation. It would also offer a possible explanation for keeping the last name out of the news story.

On the flip side, Kyle was reported to be part of the crew, and that doesn't seem to fit. And I haven't located any information that would indicate the Gano house was listed for sale or anything like that that would give a reason for the person being there that day. And there was a report of Kyle being swabbed for DNA, so you'd think LE would know if there was involvement on his part. So as I said, pure speculation of the leave-no-stone-unturned variety at this point.

Wow! I am so impressed with the thought processes that you used to get there. I love brainstorming as people think of things I never thought of.

I thought of Kyle V. No luck, for me.

Kyle C. Last name listed on a house they made that is on their website. Haven't gone anywhere with that.

Thanks .

 

[zannah]

Interesting, perhaps Kyle the agent/fireman was at the home that day . Just thinking, maybe he was checking up on the reno's in hope to get a listing from the owner. Is the Co. called assist you to sell on Wells? TIA

No, 600 block of Kingsley
http://www.island-realty.info/AgentProfiles

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Although I totally agree Somer could have been killed by a SO, I am disagreeing with about your opinion stranger abductions, "happens every day" or "happens all the time". It is rare occurrence according to statistical facts. There have been articles after articles posted on here. Here's one, I read this morning that discussed the difference between Somer & Haleigh:


Statistics compiled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children provide both hopeful and discouraging data relative to Haleigh's case.


For example, the center has determined that more children now are being returned safely to their homes than at any other time in U.S. history, with the recovery rate rising from 62 percent in 1990 to 96 percent in 2008.
However, the center's staff also points to a study that showed while murders of abducted children are rare, about 100 incidents happen in the U.S. annually, and 76.2 percent of the abducted children who are killed are dead within three hours of being taken.

A recent study often referred to by the center also shows that children are 3.5 times more likely to be abducted by a family member than by a non-family member.


http://www.ocala.com/article/20091023/ARTICLES/910231010/1402/NEWS?p=2&tc=pg

Sorry, instead of saying it happens every day I should have said it happens about 1 time every 3-4 days if the 100 per year is correct.

But, IMO it happened that day. Just an opinion. Just my theory.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

In this short time frame, do you think someone had the time to sexually assault her, kill her, re-dress her and dispose of her body? IMO, a sex offender who kills their victim does not usually take the time to re-dress their victim before disposal of the body. Keep in mind that Somer was tentatively identified (according the a statement by the Sheriff) by a birth mark on her leg and clothing she was WEARING.

No, I believe he had time to sexually assault her, kill her and dispose of her.
Why a short time frame? From what I see it was Mon. afternoon till Tues. when garbage ran. That's over 12 hours.
I don't think he took the time to redress her.
Was she FULLY clothed?
I never saw that she was.
Maybe just her shirt? IDK
She was wearing pants but her leg was bare to see the birthmark? That tells me her pants were missing.

ETA: Sorry, I was catching up and did not realize this question had been responded to by several people. But, I guess it's ok I answered too since I was asked. Better late than never. lol

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My thought on statistics from reading a lot of them on this thread...

You can find a statistic that backs up what you are thinking if you look hard enough.

Today we had 2 statistics posted that contradicted each other.

I guess it all depends on where they come from and how scientific the researcher is in gathering the correct information.

I'm not saying anybody's statistics they brought forth on this thread are wrong, just that they are subjective.

 

[Dee10]

There have been a lot of statistics listed over the threads. I found some interesting ones here as well:

A unique pattern of distance relationships exists in child abduction murders. The initial contact site is within 1/4 mile of the victim's last known location in 80% of cases. Conversely, the distance between the initial contact site and the murder site increases to distances greater than 1/4 mile (54%). The distance from the murder site to the body recovery site again decreases, to less than 200 feet in 72 percent of cases.

It was discovered that once the murder investigation has begun, the name of the killer is known to the police within the first week in 74% of cases.


Source:http://www.kidsearchnetwork.org/research-statistics.html

Snipped & BBM

Thank you Dar! WoW, if we knew the dumpster location there would be a 72% chance of the murder site being within 200 feet. We need to see 200 ft around Hooters, wish we had the other business location. We need another clue on this other dumpster location.

The last sentence in the article gives me hope this case will be solved at some point anyway.

 

[Noway]

RUMOR HALLUCINATION: Where did I read that Somer had been at her Mom's office at one point?

ETA:
Was it Hillary the Coworker RUMOR? brb

No. It was a comment left on a blog where the poster had a neighbor who worked with DT at the OP office. She said the neighbor had given Somer a ride home from the office about two weeks or so before she was killed.

She did not state why the co-worker gave Somer the ride home and DT did not.

[ame="http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13585134&postcount=433"]In Session Message Boards - View Single Post - 10/23 Friday[/ame]

This is the source of me reading that Somer had been at Diena's office. According to this poster, Somer was at the Orange Park office where Diena worked about 3 weeks before she was killed (posted on 10/24 at 1 a.m. ish ... so that is why it is under the 10/23 topic but dated 10/24).

I did okay this with mods as far as posting the link.

 

[Noway]

I was thinking about the Gano house, and remembered a report early on about a Chinese food container being removed from the location when it was processed. So I looked for nearby Chinese restaurants, and came up with one (Ming Moon) on Kingsley. Looked to have a commercial dumpster in the back. Then I started looking at nearby businesses, to see if there was any plausible connection between somebody working in that area and the Gano house. There is a real estate office next door that has a Kyle listed as an agent; coincidentally he is also a firefighter.

It's only the slimmest of connections, so I was hesitant to put anything out there, but if you add together the Chinese food, the rumor about soot, the proximity to and likely familiarity with the Gano house, the probable access to a lockbox if one was used at the house, and the ability to use a badge of some sort to project an official appearance, it seemed like something that might bear further investigation. It would also offer a possible explanation for keeping the last name out of the news story.

On the flip side, Kyle was reported to be part of the crew, and that doesn't seem to fit. And I haven't located any information that would indicate the Gano house was listed for sale or anything like that that would give a reason for the person being there that day. And there was a report of Kyle being swabbed for DNA, so you'd think LE would know if there was involvement on his part. So as I said, pure speculation of the leave-no-stone-unturned variety at this point.

I think this is the same guy.
http://www.orangeparkfire.com/about_us.html

But IMO he is not the Kyle that LE talked to that we have heard was the last one to see Somer.

 

[LLLindsayy]

She was wearing pants but her leg was bare to see the birthmark? That tells me her pants were missing.

Snipped by me.

As I remember reporting about the press conference here in live time where they reported having found her body, here is what I specifically remember:

They found her legs first, partially covered by something.

They said the pants matched but had to wait to make positive identification.

It was later that they announced the birthmark (I'm sorry, I don't remember how much later), but there was a time period after they found her body and mentioned the pants matching.

Even after birthmark they still had to wait for 100% confirmation. Probably legal reasons even though I'm sure they were 99.99% sure.

That said, they had time to look over her body for other clues before they announced birth mark.


FWIW.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Snipped by me.

As I remember reporting about the press conference here in live time where they reported having found her body, here is what I specifically remember:

They found her legs first, partially covered by something.

They said the pants matched but had to wait to make positive identification.

It was later that they announced the birthmark (I'm sorry, I don't remember how much later), but there was a time period after they found her body and mentioned the pants matching.

Even after birthmark they still had to wait for 100% confirmation. Probably legal reasons even though I'm sure they were 99.99% sure.

That said, they had time to look over her body for other clues before they announced birth mark.


FWIW.

Thank you. I have never seen anything about her pants. I'll try to go back and watch that presser again.

All I remembered was that she was found partially covered.

Thanks again.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

It has been very hard for me to look into Somers case.Somers case is the sadest case I have read about and I have seen many.My heart goes out to Somers mother and family.I pray the DNA evidence and evidence LE is looking for really is found and Justice is done for little Somer.I'm just so sorry this happened.Rest in peace pretty little Somer.

 

[RainyDaze]

In an office like that, it's always made sense (!) to me that the co-workers would talk a lot about their families, and after all, they have to cover one another's shifts, kids get sick, the complain about their spouses, etc.

I WISH SO MUCH I could find the link where the person said that a co-worker told LE that on Oct. 19, DT just "...up and left" without saying anything to anybody, she did not look like anything was wrong, etc."

I want to say (it was a while back) that this was prob, a comment made on one of the news forums, etc., which would classify it as a rumor. But I have always wondered about the sense (!) of going home for lunch with SP,
coming back, texting, leaving (apparently there was no time clock or record of exactly when she left). SORRY FOR THE LOOPHOLES, FOLKS!

i'm pretty sure that was on the news4jax website. several people posted about that. i was one of them.

 

[Noway]

From what I remember, the discussion on Kyle at the Gano house started in Thread 6 for anyone who wants to go back to the beginning of that. This is the general area but you might have to go back a few pages.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4338093#post4338093"]Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #6 - Page 17 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Thank you Noway for directing me back. I must say I enjoyed reading back like that.

I may go back to thread 1 and see what all we were discussing and maybe even take notes. Never know what will be found.

 

[LLLindsayy]

Thank you. I have never seen anything about her pants. I'll try to go back and watch that presser again.

All I remembered was that she was found partially covered.

Thanks again.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90501&page=21
Thread: 2, Post: 504

First mention that Somer had been found.

From there on they talk about the presser.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I found this rather disturbing video made by a 19 year old kid named kyle in orange park fl.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoXI4TcTRBE[/ame]

You guys have probably already talked about it.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Thanks Dr. F. I couldn't understand any of the words but IMO the video was disturbing.