FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

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  • #781
Do you care to share some of those ideas? I know you have been looking at some things that can't be discussed here, but I am just interested in any general ideas or impressions you got after speaking with LE. TIA.

I really can't as it all involves minors. Keeping in mind that imo, she was mutilated and/or partially dismembered. :sick:

However, I will say if you want to sleuth or have the time - it is't a waste of time to sleuth this case - if you have remarkable findings -turn them in to LE- from there keep looking -- never give up -- I told myself to keep going and keep searching because you never know what else you can come up with -- even if you in your own mind you believe you might have the right perp etc.. It NEVER hurts to keep an open mind -- in doing so we have found more possible info!
 
  • #782
No, Houndstooth reminded me where I'd read it. It was a blog comment so technically it is RUMOR.

But from an investigative standpoint, I would certainly look into anyone who may have had contact with Somer at Diena's office especially such a short time before she was killed.

I agree, most rumors turn out a little smoke - and with some smoke there is a big potential for fire - A wise girl once told me this ;)

- Rumors have the potential to breed facts.
 
  • #783
didn't the Sheriff say that it would be solved the "good ole fashion way"? Detectives with Phone records, internet records, wire tapping, planting LE right where they need to be for follow-up? MO of course....and DNA
 
  • #784
didn't the Sheriff say that it would be solved the "good ole fashion way"? Detectives with Phone records, internet records, wire tapping, planting LE right where they need to be for follow-up? MO of course....and DNA

Yes I believe it was the same statement.

It went something like this...

This case is not gonna be solved by computer hoodoo or voodoo but by good old fashion police work.

I'm obviously paraphrasing from memory from a statement from October, but I do remember it.
 
  • #785
Ok,I read an article that states G.V.worked on the Gano Ave home 2 months ago(Before Somer was found?) but he stopped after finding other work.I wonder where he found other work?What company.If he worked there he must have made friends with Kyle and the other crew members.I'm still trying to find out the crew members who worked at the house on Gano.
 
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Clay County Sheriff's spokeswoman Mary Justino said Friday that investigators have talked to all 161 of the sex offenders residing within a 5-mile radius of 7-year-old Somer Thompson's house.
"Homes have been searched, properties have been searched," she told reporters. "We feel at this time that we do not have any suspects who are members of that group. That part of the procedure has been completed."




....Justino declined to comment on reports that detectives were focusing on a white van in the case. "That is not something we're interested in divulging," she said. "We're not interested in corrupting this investigation."


...Justino says investigators are collecting evidence from a vacant home along that road because the girl was last seen in front of it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569245,00.html
 
  • #788
So, they checked all RSOs in the area and do not think the perp is in that group.

Maybe a RSO outside of that area, that came to the area?

I still think it was sexually motivated and RSOs are not RSOs until they are caught and register.

There are a lot of SOs out there that have not been caught.

If I am wrong and this was not a sexually motivated crime, I then think maybe a minor or group of minors. There have been several cases recently that show minors can be very "dark". IMO that is due to cultural changes that have to do with tv, music, video games...that act as tho human life is disposable. But, that's a whole different topic.


But my 1st suspect would be a sex offender.
 
  • #789
LE miss lead Casey A when they when to her so called office at a job they knew she did have.
Public was informed of that when the released public records

I totally agree with this.
I did not realize how much LE uses that tactic until I started watching a show on A&E called The First 48. It's a great show and I'm an addict, just sayin....
But anyway, on the show, LE lies while interviewing perps all the time. Especially if there are two of them. They have them in different rooms and will say the other one said something (that they did not say), then go to the other one and do the same thing.

It's amazing how much info they can get out of perps with this.

ETA: Or LE will say they have a witness that saw the perp driving the car... all of a sudden the perp will say, yeah, I was driving, but I did no shoot anybody.
LE now has the perp at the scene of the crime.

Very interesting how they do this.
 
  • #790
Trucks were scheduled to pick up garbage in Orange Park on Tuesday morning. He said detectives were told to go through the debris looking for evidence as the trucks brought it in. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/22/national/main5408659.shtml


Searching landfills is common when children disappear, but it is unusual to try to zero in on them more efficiently by tracking a neighborhood's garbage trucks, said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "Time is the enemy in these cases and the sheriff used every resource," Allen said.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33427528/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
 
  • #791
Well, Kim, of course I don't "know" this. I don't "know" anything. I can't think of the person never having seen her before because

(1) if he saw her for the very first time that day, in such a short time, without having really looked at her, what motive would he have?

(2) how would he "see her for the first time" and then make a snap decision to grab her and - do whatever - eventually murdering her - in broad daylight, unless he is a totally mentally unbalanced type of person who goes around talking to himself...and people would have noticed a person like that.

(3) predators who grab children usually have "groomed" or watched them for some time.

(4) a stranger - non-predator....why? Why her, and why then? Are you thinking he was just standing around waiting for a child...any child...to walk by? If that is the case, it would make more sense that he would have taken a child from a playground, a less populated area, a different time of the day

(5) not only killing her, but getting rid of the body, would have taken some time, etc., I don't see a person like that being able to carry it off.

Doesn't make sense. Makes more sense that it is a person who, for some reason only he knows at this time, wanted HER...knew her routines, was in the area watching, and on that day found his opportunity when she ran off in a tiff.

IMO

Ok, I'm at work and finally have a keyboard bigger than 3 square inches so I will respond...

1) Sexually Motivated

2) Happens all the time.

3) I don't think we can say usually here. A lot of children are taken by someone who never saw them before. So, yes, I think Somer could have been taken by a stranger she never saw before.

4) Why her? Because she was there - if a perp is looking to do the unspeakable to a child, IMO they will not be to picky.
Why then? Because she was there.
IMO a SO does not care where they take a child from or when. A lot of children are taken in the daylight. That's when most kids are outside.
As far as populated area, I think she was taken at the Gano house. He may have been the only one there when she went into that yard.

5) Again, I think all this happened at the Gano house. If he was the only one there, Somer's little body could have been there until later, or he could have disposed of her right after. I see that someone like that could very well carry that off.

I just don't see how a stranger abduction does not make sense.
It happens all the time.

IMO Somer was not targeted and if it had been another little girl that came up at that time, he would have grabbed her.
I don't pretend to know what goes on in a monsters head. But I do know that children are taken by strangers every day.
 
  • #792
so will you tell us what you come up with?

I will if I can put together anything that has any substance; at this point all I have is pure speculation.
 
  • #793
I asked earlier if anyone had a timeline in mind. No one responded. I take that to mean no one has one. So it's pretty nebulous in your mind when she was nabbed as some of you say, and killed when? Right then? Or do you imagine she was kept overnight? When do you think this person found the right moment in your theory of the crime to dispose of Somer's body? For most people on here it begins and ends with someone grabbing her. Details people, details. If you can not work it out, how do you expect to solve anything?

If we are to believe the report that she was found in a landfill on Wednesday, she would have been killed on Monday, the day she disappeared, because the garbage was collected on Tuesday morning. Killed either Monday or early morning hours (before garbage pick up) on Tuesday. JMO
 
  • #794
Wow... I was only asking for clarification of your post! I do not have 12 hours a day to sleuth. I believe mom is innocent and i come on when I can. If the discussion is revolving around her, which it has been for awhile, I make comments where I can. I never try to attack others opinions, I try to give alternative scenarios or defend a grieving mother, IMO. I only asked you to clarify if LE had minor suspects!! Never said a word about anyone being ridiculous or stupid! I appreciate every ones hard work and believe in what Websleuths tries to do. But I am also entitled to my opinion as is everyone else.

p.s t is obvious how much you care for the plight of victims and I can see by your posts how hard you work looking for justice for little Somer and others as well I am sure. I am here because I care to. I am sorry if you took my question the wrong way, i was trying to dig deeper on the minor possibility is all.

Sorry Dar, I should have wrote that in a seperate post -- the beginning of my post was in response to your question.
 
  • #795
I agree.I do feel somers case will be solved by DNA evidence.
I have to come out of lurking and chime in. I agree with this.

IF the killer is ever caught DNA will play a part in either capturing him or nailing the last nail in his coffin. Just my opinion though

I also do not have a good gut feeling that LE knows who did this. I am just not feeling it unfortunately. I hope I am wrong.:twocents:
 
  • #796
Ok, I'm at work and finally have a keyboard bigger than 3 square inches so I will respond...

1) Sexually Motivated

2) Happens all the time.

3) I don't think we can say usually here. A lot of children are taken by someone who never saw them before. So, yes, I think Somer could have been taken by a stranger she never saw before.

4) Why her? Because she was there - if a perp is looking to do the unspeakable to a child, IMO they will not be to picky.
Why then? Because she was there.
IMO a SO does not care where they take a child from or when. A lot of children are taken in the daylight. That's when most kids are outside.
As far as populated area, I think she was taken at the Gano house. He may have been the only one there when she went into that yard.

5) Again, I think all this happened at the Gano house. If he was the only one there, Somer's little body could have been there until later, or he could have disposed of her right after. I see that someone like that could very well carry that off.

I just don't see how a stranger abduction does not make sense.
It happens all the time.

IMO Somer was not targeted and if it had been another little girl that came up at that time, he would have grabbed her.
I don't pretend to know what goes on in a monsters head. But I do know that children are taken by strangers every day.

Although I totally agree Somer could have been killed by a SO, I am disagreeing with about your opinion stranger abductions, "happens every day" or "happens all the time". It is rare occurrence according to statistical facts. There have been articles after articles posted on here. Here's one, I read this morning that discussed the difference between Somer & Haleigh:


Statistics compiled by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children provide both hopeful and discouraging data relative to Haleigh's case.


For example, the center has determined that more children now are being returned safely to their homes than at any other time in U.S. history, with the recovery rate rising from 62 percent in 1990 to 96 percent in 2008.
However, the center's staff also points to a study that showed while murders of abducted children are rare, about 100 incidents happen in the U.S. annually, and 76.2 percent of the abducted children who are killed are dead within three hours of being taken.

A recent study often referred to by the center also shows that children are 3.5 times more likely to be abducted by a family member than by a non-family member.


http://www.ocala.com/article/20091023/ARTICLES/910231010/1402/NEWS?p=2&tc=pg
 
  • #797
There have been a lot of statistics listed over the threads. I found some interesting ones here as well:

there is a great chance that whoever did this was fast, methodical, able to do his crime and then dispose of Somer within a very short time period. A very simialr case comes to mind that happened in Toronto, the Holly Jones case. I belive she was 9 yrs old, she was a few blocks from home and was abducted by a stranger. After her body was found, (she had been dismembered), Police went door to door asking for voluntary DNA samples. When the man who ended being convicted of this crime refused to submit, he became suspect and was proven guilty. He admitted to the crime and said he had molested and killed Holly within 2 hours of taking her.

Missing Children Statistics
Research and Statistics involving Crimes Against Children and Teens

The Kidsearch Network believes that Immediate Response by an experienced search team is necessary. because, 1) there is typically over a two hour delay in making the initial missing child report (60%), and 2) the vast majority (74%) of the abducted children who are murdered are dead within three hours of the abduction. (Source: Attorney General of the State of Washington, who did a study of cases reported to law enforcement in 1997)

There are estimated to be about 100 cases per year in the US where a child is abducted and murdered. The victims of these cases are "average" children, leading normal lives, and living with normal families, typical low-risk victims. The vast majority of them are girls (76%), with the average age being slightly over 11 years of age. In 80% of cases, the initial contact between the victim and killer is within 1/4 mile of the victim's residence.

Over half (57%) of these child abduction murders are committed by a killer who is a stranger to the victim. Family involvement in this type of case is infrequent (9%). However, the relationship between the victim and the killer varies with the gender and age of the victim. The youngest females, 1-5 years old, tend to be killed by friends or acquaintances (64%), while the oldest females, 16-17 years old, tend to be killed by strangers (also 64%). The relationship between the killer and victim is different for the male victims. The youngest male victims (1-5 years old) are most likely to be killed by strangers (also 64%), as are the teenage males (13-15 years old, 60% and 16-17 years old, 58%).

The average age of killers of abducted children is around 27 years old. They are predominantly unmarried (85%) and half of them (51%) either live alone (17%) or with their parents (34%). Half of them are unemployed, and those that are employed work in unskilled or semi-skilled labor occupations. Therefore, the killers can generally be characterized as "social marginals."

Almost two-thirds of the killers (61%) had prior arrests for violent crimes, with slightly more than half of the killers' prior crimes (53%) committed against children. The most frequent prior crimes against children were rape (31% of killers) and other sexual assault (45% of killers). Sixty-seven percent of the child abduction murderers' prior crimes were similar in M.O. to the murder that was committed by the same killer.

Commonly, the killers are at the initial victim-killer contact site for a legitimate reason (66%). They either lived in the area (29%) or were engaging in some normal activity. Most of the victims of child abduction murder are victims of opportunity (57%). Only in 14 percent of cases did the killer choose his victim because of some physical characteristic of the victim. The primary motivation for the child abduction murder is sexual assault.

After the victim has been killed, 52 percent of the bodies are concealed to prevent discovery. In only 9% of cases is the body openly placed to insure its discovery.

A unique pattern of distance relationships exists in child abduction murders. The initial contact site is within 1/4 mile of the victim's last known location in 80% of cases. Conversely, the distance between the initial contact site and the murder site increases to distances greater than 1/4 mile (54%). The distance from the murder site to the body recovery site again decreases, to less than 200 feet in 72 percent of cases.

It was discovered that once the murder investigation has begun, the name of the killer is known to the police within the first week in 74% of cases.

While at times the media seems to "get in the way," in the end they are much more likely to have a positive effect on the investigation (31% of cases) than a negative one (6% of cases). In short, the media are more likely to bring witnesses forward than to aid the killer in his escape. The media had no effect at all in 63% of the investigations.

Source:http://www.kidsearchnetwork.org/research-statistics.html
 
  • #798
Some more info on the case I mentioned above. I think these cases may end up being simular situations, if in fact Somer was murdered by a child SO.

Michael Briere was a software programmer with no criminal record when he watched child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 one drizzly evening in May 2003 - and within minutes, he'd snatched a 10-year-old girl from the street and then sexually assaulted, strangled and dismembered her in a crime he described as "cruel, inhuman and nightmarish."

Briere, 36, pleaded guilty Thursday to first-degree murder in the sex slaying of Holly Jones.

His plea came a year after DNA evidence from a soda-pop can he tossed into a streetside recycling bin almost a month after Holly's abduction linked him to the murder of the cheerful schoolgirl who lived just blocks from his home.

The Montreal native wept in court as he apologized for acting out on what was described as his "dark secret" - his fantasy to have sex with a child. Holly's mother, Maria Jones, bowed her head and sobbed through most of his remarks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._jones_hearing
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  • #799
Some more info on the case I mentioned above. I think these cases may end up being simular situations, if in fact Somer was murdered by a child SO.

Michael Briere was a software programmer with no criminal record when he watched child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 one drizzly evening in May 2003 - and within minutes, he'd snatched a 10-year-old girl from the street and then sexually assaulted, strangled and dismembered her in a crime he described as "cruel, inhuman and nightmarish."

Briere, 36, pleaded guilty Thursday to first-degree murder in the sex slaying of Holly Jones.

His plea came a year after DNA evidence from a soda-pop can he tossed into a streetside recycling bin almost a month after Holly's abduction linked him to the murder of the cheerful schoolgirl who lived just blocks from his home.

The Montreal native wept in court as he apologized for acting out on what was described as his "dark secret" - his fantasy to have sex with a child. Holly's mother, Maria Jones, bowed her head and sobbed through most of his remarks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._jones_hearing
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I have a feeling they will be found to be very similar.
 
  • #800
Some more info on the case I mentioned above. I think these cases may end up being simular situations, if in fact Somer was murdered by a child SO.

Michael Briere was a software programmer with no criminal record when he watched child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 one drizzly evening in May 2003 - and within minutes, he'd snatched a 10-year-old girl from the street and then sexually assaulted, strangled and dismembered her in a crime he described as "cruel, inhuman and nightmarish."

Briere, 36, pleaded guilty Thursday to first-degree murder in the sex slaying of Holly Jones.

His plea came a year after DNA evidence from a soda-pop can he tossed into a streetside recycling bin almost a month after Holly's abduction linked him to the murder of the cheerful schoolgirl who lived just blocks from his home.

The Montreal native wept in court as he apologized for acting out on what was described as his "dark secret" - his fantasy to have sex with a child. Holly's mother, Maria Jones, bowed her head and sobbed through most of his remarks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._jones_hearing
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The link above is broke, but here is another:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20040617/holly_jones_040617?s_name=&no_ads=
 
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