FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

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  • #741
That places her WHERE considering LE states that though school lets at 2:32 Somer did not leave that day until 2:45-2:50? This gives her 10 to 15 after leaving school.

I agree Somer was killed before 5pm.

In the Tuesday briefing, Sgt. Dan Mahla said (and checked his notes in response to reporters' questions) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50.

Everything after that said she was seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m. You cannot travel back in time so it is JMO that he read his notes wrong, and it was 2:30 (maybe even 2:32 p.m. which is on their website).

I do not know what time she was seen by Kyle, who I do not think killed Somer, so of course, if I knew that, and I believed he was the last person to see Somer, I might change my timeframe depending on when it was that he saw her.
 
  • #742
Did know one see the Dalia Dippolito case when the cops lied to her in order to see and tape her reactions
LE does what they have to do and do not need to explain it until there is a arrest and a trial
 
  • #743
I cannot ... for the sake of my own sanity ... get involved in another conversation about the transfer of garbage from Orange Park. Not this late at night. ;) But I'll be back tomorrow.
 
  • #744
Did know one see the Dalia Dippolito case when the cops lied to her in order to see and tape her reactions
LE does what they have to do and do not need to explain it until there is a arrest and a trial

Was this the woman who hired the undercover cop to kill her husband? Or hired someone anyway. And they told her that her husband was dead? When really the hired gun ratted her out and the hubby was still alive?
 
  • #745
Am I wrong in remembering commercial dumpsters when straight to the GA landfill & that only residential went to Rosemary Hill?

Does anyone have clarification on this question? The garbage is such a question, in my mind, still in terms of what days what was picked up where.
 
  • #746
Did know one see the Dalia Dippolito case when the cops lied to her in order to see and tape her reactions
LE does what they have to do and do not need to explain it until there is a arrest and a trial

Sure cops can lie to a suspect. I have never heard of a medical examiner lying about an autopsy or two states in on some large scale hoax like this putting everyones credibility on the line.
 
  • #747
Many people who are unfortunate enough to experience such a tragedy as the murder of a loved one, experience guilt and behavior changes.

Here are some examples of those who have lost loved ones to murder, who seemingly have some of the same behaviors / reactions as DT after Somer’s murder; including families restricted by LE from viewing their loved one’s bodies---and who were not guilty---(FYI…these links are to a public website and viewable to all so I didn’t remove the names. They are stories of murder victims provided by members of a murder victims support group and is provided as a resource for others).

http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/Larry_Smith.htm

…L's body could not be viewed; he had lain in that closet in a warm Texas April for nearly three days. He was cremated.
I wasn't allowed to view the body, but was given a lock of hair. I think if I had been allowed to see him, I would not now be subconsciously searching for him, even now, after so many years. To me, somehow, he is not dead...and there is guilt, that somehow if I had not made him leave home, he would still be here where I could take care of him.

http://www.murdervictims.com/Voices/shaline_seguinot.htm (remained unsolved for 7 years )

On August 4, 1995, my 13-year-old daughter SS borrowed a friend's bike to go around the corner and within five minutes she disappeared. Her decomposed body was found three days later, in a wooded area behind the Pyne Poynt School where she attended. S was brutally raped and stabbed to death. When it began, S' mother struggled to accept the tragedy. "S was afraid of the dark. I knew when she didn't come home - I just knew," she said. But for about a year, she didn't believe the body found behind Pyne Poynt was her daughter's. "I kept thinking she was going to knock on the door." S's mother eventually reviewed the autopsy report and its graphic photos. The body had decomposed and could not be visually identified; dental records were needed to confirm it was S. S's Mother was finally convinced by a notation of a scar, on the right side of the victim's face, under the chin. A month after the slaying, she went back to work as a teacher's aide. After a few weeks, she took a leave of absence at her doctor's insistence. The family and church members organized the "SS Fun and Safety Awareness Day" and the "SS Dream Day." They held fund-raiser after fund-raiser to collect money for a park in S's name. Each event had two purposes: to remember S, and to make sure the investigators didn't forget.


http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97sep/grief.htm

One might expect that the families of murder victims would be showered with sympathy and support, embraced by their communities. But in reality they are far more likely to feel isolated, fearful, and ashamed, overwhelmed by grief and guilt, angry at the criminal-justice system, and shunned by their old friends.
The grief caused by murder does not follow a predictable course. It does not neatly unfold in stages. When a person dies after a long illness, his or her family has time to prepare emotionally for the death, to feel an anticipatory grief. When someone is murdered, the death usually comes without warning. A parent might have breakfast with a child on an ordinary morning -- and then never see or hold or speak to that child again. The period of mourning after a natural death lasts one, two, perhaps three years. The much more complicated mourning that follows a homicide may be prolonged by the legal system, the attitudes of society, the nature of the crime, and the final disposition of the case. A murder is an unnatural death; no ordinary rules apply. The intense grief experienced by survivors can last four years, five years, a decade, even a lifetime.
The police usually try to shield family members, keeping them away from the crime scene and from gruesome photographs of the victim. Nevertheless, many survivors demand to see these things. They want to confront the reality of the murder and to know the worst. Denied access to the facts by the authorities or by a lack of information about the crime, the relatives of murder victims are frequently tormented by their imaginations and by questions that can never be answered.

Much more at these links if you care to / want to read.
 
  • #748
In the Tuesday briefing, Sgt. Dan Mahla said (and checked his notes in response to reporters' questions) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50.

Everything after that said she was seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m. You cannot travel back in time so it is JMO that he read his notes wrong, and it was 2:30 (maybe even 2:32 p.m. which is on their website).

I do not know what time she was seen by Kyle, who I do not think killed Somer, so of course, if I knew that, and I believed he was the last person to see Somer, I might change my timeframe depending on when it was that he saw her.

My perception of LE is not that they made a careless mistake on the time she left school. I believe that Somer had to stay after school that afternoon. RELEASED by the school is the clue. Not what time it normally lets out.
 
  • #749
Did know one see the Dalia Dippolito case when the cops lied to her in order to see and tape her reactions
LE does what they have to do and do not need to explain it until there is a arrest and a trial

Yes, but this has to do with this case how?
 
  • #750
I cannot ... for the sake of my own sanity ... get involved in another conversation about the transfer of garbage from Orange Park. Not this late at night. ;) But I'll be back tomorrow.

You did not say that when Doc posted his compactor video on the previous page!! Sheesh.
I'll know just what to say hence forth then, huh? Good to know! ;)
 
  • #751
In the Tuesday briefing, Sgt. Dan Mahla said (and checked his notes in response to reporters' questions) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50.

Everything after that said she was seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m. You cannot travel back in time so it is JMO that he read his notes wrong, and it was 2:30 (maybe even 2:32 p.m. which is on their website).

I do not know what time she was seen by Kyle, who I do not think killed Somer, so of course, if I knew that, and I believed he was the last person to see Somer, I might change my timeframe depending on when it was that he saw her.

I agree that everything I read after that puts her meeting up with her siblings around 2:45 and then running ahead. As for the time between 2:32pm and 2:45pm.....probably takes a few minutes to gather belongings, say goodbye to friends and teachers, and make it to the front of the school....then you have children being split up from their classes depending on whether they ride the bus, parent pick-up, daycare vans, and walkers. Add in a few minutes to make it up to the corner of Gano and meet up with siblings, and I think this accounts for all 13 minutes between dismissal and when they met up with/last saw her. Also, doubt her siblings looked at their watch if they have one and took note of the exact time. Maybe it was really 2:43 they met up at.
 
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  • #753
My perception of LE is not that they made a careless mistake on the time she left school. I believe that Somer had to stay after school that afternoon. RELEASED by the school is the clue. Not what time it normally lets out.

I'd have believed it if I ever saw a LE-type say it again. But they don't. Everyone uses 2:45 p.m.

If she did not get out until 2:50 p.m. how would she have caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano at 2:45 ... especially if they left 20 minutes before and had to leave the school grounds without lingering?

If she did stay until 2:50 and did catch up with her siblings at 3, then I'll bump my time by about 15 minutes. Because it was almost immediately after catching up with them that she ran/walked off. Because her sister chided her for fighting/squabbling, etc.
 
  • #754
Sure cops can lie to a suspect. I have never heard of a medical examiner lying about an autopsy or two states in on some large scale hoax like this putting everyones credibility on the line.

Who said a ME lied about autopsy results?
 
  • #755
Who said a ME lied about autopsy results?
Well the autopsy was done in GA. They dont ship bodies from FL. to GA. for autopsies. The GA state medical examiner did the autopsy.
 
  • #756
I'd have believed it if I ever saw a LE-type say it again. But they don't. Everyone uses 2:45 p.m.

If she did not get out until 2:50 p.m. how would she have caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano at 2:45 ... especially if they left 20 minutes before and had to leave the school grounds without lingering?

If she did stay until 2:50 and did catch up with her siblings at 3, then I'll bump my time by about 15 minutes. Because it was almost immediately after catching up with them that she ran/walked off. Because her sister chided her for fighting/squabbling, etc.

It occurs to me that AT and ST did linger around waiting for S, walking slow and lagging. I think the fight and staying after school WAS the reason for the chastisement and the "you're going to be in trouble!" comments that were sure to follow. How do we know? Because even AT and ST were said to arrive at about 3:10. I don't think it would normally take them 40 minutes to walk home, if leaving at 2:32.
 
  • #757
Well the autopsy was done in GA. They dont ship bodies from FL. to GA. for autopsies. The GA state medical examiner did the autopsy.

The FOX report I just read said it was handled by FBI personnel and held at the GBI office in Savannah which is the Regional office. What's so difficult about that?
 
  • #758
Just some general thoughts on the timeline of things and where she was seen along the way home. By and large, most of these statements seem to be coming from children as told to the media by parents. I'm not saying that children can't be reliable witnesses, because they have been in many cases. But when you have children trying to recount when they last saw her, I would expect some discrepancy because it's probably estimated. As in, well we left school at this time, and it's takes about 5 minutes to walk to 🤬🤬🤬 corner, and that's the last place I saw her. Also, most of these children were probably either asked by parents or offered information to parents when Somer was first missing. The information they gave to parents (who reported it to the media) may be different from what they told LE, who is trained to interview witnesses. Not that they intentionally lied. As an example, a child tells their parents I last saw Somer near 🤬🤬🤬 street, LE later interviews child and finds out their definition of "near" is four houses away. Given the short distance she disappeared in, details like this become more important and something a trained detective would clarify. JMO.
 
  • #759
The FOX report I just read said it was handled by FBI personnel and held at the GBI office in Savannah which is the Regional office. What's so difficult about that?


And it was the GA state Medical Examiner that did the autopsy.

I believe that is all true. None of those people would lie about where she was found or be a part of any hoax.
 
  • #760
LE miss lead Casey A when they when to her so called office at a job they knew she did have.
Public was informed of that when the released public records
 
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