GUILTY FL - Taylor Rose Williams, 5, found deceased, Jacksonville, 6 Nov 2019 *Arrest* #4

[CSIDreamer]

I am hoping you are asking from a place of wanting to understand, and not just as a rhetorical question, but a suicide attempt by definition can be a near death experience. It is entirely possible to be hospitalized for days if not weeks or longer, depending on which method was used. Failed gunshot wounds requiring multiple surgeries, near asphyxiation resulting in severe oxygen deprivation (think near drowning as a comparison), organ failure due to overdoses; these are just a few examples of the extreme trauma someone's body has to recover from and that is BEFORE one gets moved to inpatient psychiatric care. Not to mention the ongoing, possibly lifelong effects on the person's health that require support and therapy. This isn't stubbing your toe or breaking your finger. Respectfully, your question is very surprising to me, because honestly I can't think of a "kind of suicide attempt" that would require LESS than 6 days hospitalization. Again, I hope that I have respectfully answered your question from a perspective that might bring understanding. Moo.

I'm a bit shocked you would think I'm likening a suicide to stubbing your toe. I'm not at all. Outside of a couple of people taking a handful of pills and *not* spending 6 days in the hospital, I know no one that has attempted suicide and not accomplished that sad goal. I've lost friends to suicide. I wasn't trivializing it at all.

 

[CSIDreamer]

First Coast Crime Stoppers said it has received 35 tips thus far in the investigation. The last tip to come in was on Nov. 13.


TAYLOR WILLIAMS JACKSONVILLE: Classmate of Taylor Williams' mother: 'She's not the same person she was in high school'

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Searching for new news but not finding much
Mother of missing Florida girl Taylor Williams, 5, out of coma after apparent suicide attempt, reports say
I can’t understand why she hasn’t been identified ? Did she never go to the dentist? Why couldn’t they use her teeth if she did? What was done to her ?
JMO

I find this very upsetting. Our pediatrician always recommended the kids see a dentist by age 4. If there are no dental records for Taylor, even one exam, that is just sad I wish we knew exactly how long the neglect began. I can’t help but feel it was going on for longer than April...I could be wrong, of course. It’s just a feeling I can’t shake. MOO

 

[twall]

TAYLOR WILLIAMS JACKSONVILLE: Classmate of Taylor Williams' mother: 'She probably did kill her baby'

I haven't watched it.

What an awful headline! The media can be the worst! Nowhere in the article or video did the former classmate say that!!

 

[sleuther0192837465]

What an awful headline! The media can be the worst! Nowhere in the article or video did the former classmate say that!!

Oh how low they are willing to go SMH WOW

 

[Krissey]

I find this very upsetting. Our pediatrician always recommended the kids see a dentist by age 4. If there are no dental records for Taylor, even one exam, that is just sad I wish we knew exactly how long the neglect began. I can’t help but feel it was going on for longer than April...I could be wrong, of course. It’s just a feeling I can’t shake. MOO

MOO... my son is 3.5 and has been to the dentist twice. However, maybe due to his young age, no x-rays were ever taken. I’m not sure when they start dental x-rays on the little ones but maybe it is a case of not needing an X-ray yet? I have been trying to locate recommendations for pediatric dental X-rays and the only thing I can find is the frequency due to risk level and not at what age to start taking X-rays routinely.
I’m definitely not defending BW at all, just thought it was something to consider. Maybe Taylor had just been too young to start receiving routine dental X-rays.

 

[MissMalowe]

Here is a new article posted 20 minutes ago.

Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams

 

[CSIDreamer]

Here is a new article posted 20 minutes ago.

Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams

Hopefully there will be a confirmation by the end of this week then.

This article seems to be in line with our suspicions she's been deceased for some time.

 

[Dylgem22]

MOO... my son is 3.5 and has been to the dentist twice. However, maybe due to his young age, no x-rays were ever taken. I’m not sure when they start dental x-rays on the little ones but maybe it is a case of not needing an X-ray yet? I have been trying to locate recommendations for pediatric dental X-rays and the only thing I can find is the frequency due to risk level and not at what age to start taking X-rays routinely.
I’m definitely not defending BW at all, just thought it was something to consider. Maybe Taylor had just been too young to start receiving routine dental X-rays.

HI There, just adding to this, I have a 5 year old girl and she just got her first dental x-rays taken recently .. so maybe it is at a certain age when they start taking X-rays on children or maybe what the dentist prefers? .. either way, I just wanted to add that tid-bit!

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Here is a new article posted 20 minutes ago.

Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams

Thank you, Miss Marlowe. So it looks like Jax will be the ones to prosecute. I wonder if that is based on decomp detected at the apartment where they had lived. I know it was also detected in the car, but the apartment would provide a place of death due to a car being mobile. And the remains had significantly decomposed as implied by the article. Poor little child.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I don't think most 5-year-olds have had dental X-rays.
I can't read the link -- is the main reason that they have to wait on DNA test results?

 

[sallye818]

So hoping we will hear confirmation of the ID of the body this week. That article sounds hopeful. Also, I'm really thinking they will release the COD and possibly TOD then too.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't think most 5-year-olds have had dental X-rays.
I can't read the link -- is the main reason that they have to wait on DNA test results?

Yes. From the article they took her own DNA from some of her personal items.

 

[Wishbone]

Here is a new article posted 20 minutes ago.

Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams

And still no news about what's going on with BW. I'm surprised by the silence, this is Florida after all.......

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yes. From the article they took her own DNA from some of her personal items.

I can't remember if the photos have been linked here. But the amount of discarded shoe covers from investigators going over the apartment (location from April) was astronomical. I have a feeling investigators suspected very, very early this was going to be the outcome.

 

[TTF14]

So hoping we will hear confirmation of the ID of the body this week. That article sounds hopeful. Also, I'm really thinking they will release the COD and possibly TOD then too.

I'm not at all optimistic they will figure out a COD. MOD yes, but not cause.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I don't think most 5-year-olds have had dental X-rays.
I can't read the link -- is the main reason that they have to wait on DNA test results?

There is an Alabama law that requires a COD prior to DNA testing, from what I read. MOO
ETA: I think an x ray would be taken if there were problems, though, even at that age, correct? MOO
From MissMalowe’s link:
Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams
From article:
Prior to the DNA analysis, some delay was created by an Alabama law requiring a coroner make an initial determination of the cause of death.

 

[Kelj]

And still no news about what's going on with BW. I'm surprised by the silence, this is Florida after all.......

But Jacksonville where the sheriff and mayor don’t appreciate the sunshine law shining. Just my humble opinion

 

[fraudqueen]

It's all about the HIPAA law.

 

[tlcya]

Even in cases where a body is significantly decomposed, as multiple sources tell First Coast News was the case with the Alabama remains, it is up to the coroner to determine the manner and cause of death.

Here's why it's taking so long to figure out if the body is Taylor Williams

Dangit. Sounds to me as if Taylor died in late May shortly after the last sighting by neighbor (AB)