Then she should have been an adult and said it was too much for her. You don’t get to just kill two kids because you are overwhelmed at having to babysit.
FL - Tracey Nix, two of her grandchildren died in her care in separate incidents (7mo in hot car Nov '22 & 16mo drowned Dec '21)
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bottom line no matter what meds she was taking it was not any excuse for what happened. She is guilty and assume she will get prison time. I would think more or less having to live with the knowledge and memory of two babies dying on her watch is a really awful way to spend her remaining years.
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First thing that came to mind is 'dementia'. Alcohol could have also been a factor or drugs. She is probably telling the truth about forgetting; she is of the dementia age I think. She should be tested.
Dr Diamond in the interview that I previously linked after meeting with her said no dementia and when she was off all the RX drugs she is now functioning just fine..no issues. That tells me what the problem was.
Family Members Not Speaking?
I wonder which relatives have not spoken to her in two years.
Would TN be one of them? Could communications btwn TN & Kaila have halted entirely since the second death, Uriel in Nov. 2022?
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Vid of post-verdict interview. 5:51 min. long.
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@MissMalowe Thx for your post. Yes, somewhat confusing.
I wonder which relatives have not spoken to her in two years.
Would TN be one of them? Could communications btwn TN & Kaila have halted entirely since the second death, Uriel in Nov. 2022?
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Vid of post-verdict interview. 5:51 min. long.
Toddler drowns, infant left in hot car less than a year apart at grandma’s house
One family. Two kids. Their deaths — both while in their grandmother Tracey's care. Hardee County grandmother charged after forgetting infant in a hot car.
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MOO is none of us know enough about how this happened to understand it. I certainly don't think she killed two kids because she was overwhelmed at having to babysit. She was negligent, yes, and was found culpably so, but the Jury found her not guilty of having an intent to harm in her granddaughter's death.
It sure seemed like that when I started following this, but now I'm just mystified and not sure because a lot wasn't brought out at trial. Very limited medical testimonies it seemed.
According to a law expert on Court TV, it depends on how many points are attached to the charge, if below a certain number of points she wouldn't do prison time, but jail time would still be on the table.
You've sited this before, but I still have questions about his opinion. - How often and for how long did he treat her? What type of doctor is Dr. Diamond? I know he seems the expert on hot car deaths.
- Was he part of the inpatient hospital team? I would be more inclined to think the time she spent in the hospital as an inpatient evaluated her mental state.
- Also, was he a witness for the defense?
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Dr. Diamond did seem to think the problem was the Rx drugs that Tracey was prescribed. I do agree with that. She said she was on them for 15 yrs. and there's no telling if the side effects were memory loss and decline. Some side effects do damage that can't be reversed, so she may not be as fine as the Dr. thinks. BTW, he was not allowed to testify in front of the Jury. Was he? Both Dr. Daniel Buffington, Pharmacist and Ryan Estevez, Geriatric Psychiatrist seemed to think the Rx's might've been causing some mental confusion and forgetfulness. They also didn't get to testify in front of the Jury.
i can't really answer all your questions. I don't even understand what those two witnesses were doing given the case was at that point with the jury to decide.
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Sorry, @turaj, I know we're all in the dark with some of this info. I think part of me wants a more clear answer as to what caused both events. If it was early onset Alzheimer's, then it would've explained so much, and maybe the family wouldn't be so torn apart.
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At the 5:32 minute mark, Dr. Diamond says a high dose of (1) Ambien (2) and a Benzodiazepine. MOO, I know that is a combo that can mess up and rearrange a person's thought process. He said she could've forgotten the child in the car, but that the medication certainly exuberated the situation.
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Video here - check it out at the 5:32 mark.
Doctor: Tracey Nix Was On Medications That Impair Memory
Dr. David Diamond, who evaluated Tracey Nix, was not permitted to testify in front of the jury during her manslaughter trial.
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Agree with questions you have and I wonder if TN had a complete work up to rule out dementia. The testing is very involved.
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There is no excuse for what happened to those two little ones but maybe there is a reason that could bring some understanding. JMOO
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Interesting.
I noted that TN looked she didn’t care and had no effect in her facial expression in her mug shot. Aha, now I kinda get it.
I was prescribed lorazepam (benzo) many years ago for a very brief period of time. It did what it needed to do in the short term but I can tell you I felt numb. I had NO emotion whether happy or sad. I was almost zombie like. I could do tasks but I was really on a different plane. I couldn’t remember things. It was a strange feeling but not unpleasant. In that time period it was a “relief” not to feel anything. It was an escape from feeling if that makes any sense.
If she was taking benzodiazepines along with a sleeping aid and cymbalta that’s quite the mix.
I’m not trying to absolve TN of what has transpired but I may have a better understanding of how it happened. I wonder if she was abusing her meds as well.
I don’t understand why this is all so secretive.
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I noted that TN looked she didn’t care and had no effect in her facial expression in her mug shot. Aha, now I kinda get it.
I was prescribed lorazepam (benzo) many years ago for a very brief period of time. It did what it needed to do in the short term but I can tell you I felt numb. I had NO emotion whether happy or sad. I was almost zombie like. I could do tasks but I was really on a different plane. I couldn’t remember things. It was a strange feeling but not unpleasant. In that time period it was a “relief” not to feel anything. It was an escape from feeling if that makes any sense.
If she was taking benzodiazepines along with a sleeping aid and cymbalta that’s quite the mix.
I’m not trying to absolve TN of what has transpired but I may have a better understanding of how it happened. I wonder if she was abusing her meds as well.
I don’t understand why this is all so secretive.
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thanks..yes the 5:32 mark is what I heard regarding the drugs..the benzo was class of drug and not the name of the exact drug but that combo could be dangerous at least I would think so. I honestly after watching two parents experience dementia and a diagnosis of Alzheimers think if that was apparent at all during these intervening years or prior the family would have had serious clues and I don't think she would have been entrusted with childcare or driving. The keys to the car is first thing to go...these diseases don't just flare up one day..they sneak up on you. If any MD diagnosed that we will hear about it at sentencing.. I think we should have heard about it at trial. IF Rx drugs were on board at that time (seems to be the case) all blame goes to TN but if she was displaying behaviors in daily life and was undiagnosed with dementia or Azh. then I would say everyone to blame. Also people with those issues should not be in charge of their own meds. I continue to rely on Dr. Diamond who at least spent some time with her. Do we even know for sure if there was a tox done on TN. I can't remember now but if not why not? I thought Dr. D's theme of this "leaving a child in car" can happen to people with no RX issues or other cognitive impairment...it can just happen...but usually if routines are broken or caregiver is preoccupied with other things. Never an excuse. I think the thing that sets this apart is it happening twice !! Also the family at the time of the job loss had to know that memory issues were at play as that was the reason for termination....anyone look into this? Ney lives with her he should have the best insight. You don't live with someone and not notice memory issues that rise to the level of Alz. diagnosis. Anyone just rambling but thanks for finding the quote.At the 5:32 minute mark, Dr. Diamond says a high dose of (1) Ambien (2) and a Benzodiazepine. MOO, I know that is a combo that can mess up and rearrange a person's thought process. He said she could've forgotten the child in the car, but that the medication certainly exuberated the situation.
Benzodiazepines: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions & Warnings
Learn about the benzodiazepine drug class including their uses, a list of common benzodiazepines, side effects, warnings and withdrawal symptoms.
Video here - check it out at the 5:32 mark.
Doctor: Tracey Nix Was On Medications That Impair Memory
Dr. David Diamond, who evaluated Tracey Nix, was not permitted to testify in front of the jury during her manslaughter trial.
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FYI. This just happened in Sydney Australia.. and we are told there's such a thing: Forgotten Baby Syndrome
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That information (Forgotten Baby Syndrome) isn't new on this thread.
The thing is: TWO small grandchildren died under the care of this grandmother.
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I just read a post about sextortion plot with her and her cellmates. Nix Victim Of Sextortion After Jailhouse Trysts
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What the heck is this woman's problem? They really should have her head examined.
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Wow. File that under things I never imagined I'd read. And she got her husband involved!
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