mollymalone
Former Member
:blowkiss: You're a sweetie! Yes! That's it!! Thanks!
Edited to add: I saw another one about Hatch too.
Flds - Follow The Money
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Edited to add: I saw another one about Hatch too.
LOL on the word sweet! :blowkiss:
And since I messed up the link, here it is after I finally managed to type it correctly:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0605/S00364.htm
Another very important piece of information from this same article:
mollymalone
Former Member
In addition to the YFZ Ranch at Eldorado Tx, Hilldale, Utah and Colorado City, AZ, there are other properties the FLDS own and operate.
http://utahbooks.com/Polygamy_Groups.htm
Pinesdale, Montana, is an incorporated city located just north and west of Hamilton in the beautiful Bitter Root Valley. Pinesdale boasts about 1000 inhabitants. Marvin Jessop and his brother Morris are the priesthood leaders who preside over the towns elected officials. Pinesdale, like Colorado City and Hildale, has received government grants towards the improvement of the town. And according to reliable informants inside Pinesdale, like Colorado City, plural wives are sent into nearby Hamilton to apply for welfare as single mothers. The informant reported that welfare checks are often taken directly to the priesthood leaders.
http://utahbooks.com/Polygamy_Groups.htm
Pinesdale, Montana, is an incorporated city located just north and west of Hamilton in the beautiful Bitter Root Valley. Pinesdale boasts about 1000 inhabitants. Marvin Jessop and his brother Morris are the priesthood leaders who preside over the towns elected officials. Pinesdale, like Colorado City and Hildale, has received government grants towards the improvement of the town. And according to reliable informants inside Pinesdale, like Colorado City, plural wives are sent into nearby Hamilton to apply for welfare as single mothers. The informant reported that welfare checks are often taken directly to the priesthood leaders.
mollymalone
Former Member
MOLLY SAYS: For every one story you hear like this, there are thousands more. Each family has had to pay money they earned....if they got a paycheck, over to the church, either the entire paycheck, or a tithe of 10 percent, and then above and beyond that whatever "donations" they were required to give. This occurs not only at Bountiful, but within the US FLDS properties. This is one way the FLDS leaders scam their followers and fill their coffers.
"Teressa Wall testified for her sister Elissa Wall in the Warren Jeffs trial.
She and her husband worked at a post-and-pole-manufacturing mill in Sundre, Alta.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/...=883c7513-2c69-4b5a-b826-3d7da9a9bf66&k=59252
Roy got paid $1,000 a month. Of that, 10 per cent had to be paid in tithes. More went to special "donations." With the end of the world coming, Winston ordered frequent practice "famines."
Families were told to stock up. Then, for three months they could not buy any groceries. Grocery money had to be handed over to the church. During one of those "famines," Teressa and her family lived for weeks on only a five-gallon bucket of rice."
"Teressa Wall testified for her sister Elissa Wall in the Warren Jeffs trial.
She and her husband worked at a post-and-pole-manufacturing mill in Sundre, Alta.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/...=883c7513-2c69-4b5a-b826-3d7da9a9bf66&k=59252
Roy got paid $1,000 a month. Of that, 10 per cent had to be paid in tithes. More went to special "donations." With the end of the world coming, Winston ordered frequent practice "famines."
Families were told to stock up. Then, for three months they could not buy any groceries. Grocery money had to be handed over to the church. During one of those "famines," Teressa and her family lived for weeks on only a five-gallon bucket of rice."
mollymalone
Former Member
The very same Rodney Parker who's representing the FLDS in Texas, the very same attorney who says abuse doesn't occur within the sect, and that the girls are exaggerating their claims and the boys are all 18 or over and were into lifestyle choices that didn't mesh with the FLDS doctrine. Yeah, that Rodney Parker.
mollymalone
Former Member
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2008/04/18/news/top/doc48095d0a7405a514684976.txt
"The land for the compound was purchased by an FLDS leader close to Warren Jeffs, who has headed the church, headquartered in the twin border towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz." "Sheriff Wheeler said the buildings at the Pringle site are “exact replicas” of the ones at Eldorado."
"Custer County officials say the compound complies to the letter with county building regulations and pays its taxes on time. The Pringle compound is much smaller, with five lodges and a number of other buildings sitting on 140 acres in rough country in southwestern Custer County. Sheriff Wheeler has estimated the compound could hold 75 to 100 people."
"Another allegation raised about FLDS communities elsewhere has been that “spiritual” wives have drawn state welfare benefits. But that is not happening at the Pringle compound, according to Emily Currey, a spokeswoman for the South Dakota Department of Social Services.“The folks in the Pringle compound do not receive any benefits or assistance from the Department of Social Services,” Currey said this week. Currey said she did not know how many children are living in the compound. Six children at the compound are registered with the Custer School District for home schooling, district officials said."
MOLLY SAYS: That doesn't mean they aren't collecting from a nearby state. I've heard of cases where I live where persons would file in the two adjoining states. Although those instances were prosecuted, I'm sure there are still cases that are occurring. The FLDS leaders have figured out a lot of angles on how to cheat the system.
"The land for the compound was purchased by an FLDS leader close to Warren Jeffs, who has headed the church, headquartered in the twin border towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz." "Sheriff Wheeler said the buildings at the Pringle site are “exact replicas” of the ones at Eldorado."
"Custer County officials say the compound complies to the letter with county building regulations and pays its taxes on time. The Pringle compound is much smaller, with five lodges and a number of other buildings sitting on 140 acres in rough country in southwestern Custer County. Sheriff Wheeler has estimated the compound could hold 75 to 100 people."
"Another allegation raised about FLDS communities elsewhere has been that “spiritual” wives have drawn state welfare benefits. But that is not happening at the Pringle compound, according to Emily Currey, a spokeswoman for the South Dakota Department of Social Services.“The folks in the Pringle compound do not receive any benefits or assistance from the Department of Social Services,” Currey said this week. Currey said she did not know how many children are living in the compound. Six children at the compound are registered with the Custer School District for home schooling, district officials said."
MOLLY SAYS: That doesn't mean they aren't collecting from a nearby state. I've heard of cases where I live where persons would file in the two adjoining states. Although those instances were prosecuted, I'm sure there are still cases that are occurring. The FLDS leaders have figured out a lot of angles on how to cheat the system.
mollymalone
Former Member
"The FLDS Church has additional developing communities near Benjamin Hills, Mexico (south of Nogales in the state of Sonora) and the other near Encinada, Baja (south of Tijuana)."
mollymalone
Former Member
MOLLY SAYS: Although some may say this does not relate to following the money I believe it does, because it
concerns the officers of the Law who's salaries were paid by the taxpayers. Since they operated primarily as FLDS
enforcers instead of upholding the law, I'd consider those officers collecting money a form of fraud and abuse of power
Charged with protecting and serving their community, Colorado City police have long had a reputation for protecting and serving
church interests instead. The force, which covers Hildale as well, is reportedly handpicked by FLDS leaders. Call 911 here, say
state investigators, and it is the same as calling the FLDS.
Former police employees and state investigators say officers either ignore molestation allegations or send them to the church
rather than to outside prosecutors. Paul Musser, a former dispatcher for the Colorado City police, was eyewitness to the daily
activity of the station. "Sex crimes were handled very delicately, very discreetly," he said. "They were taken to the prophet."
Sam Roundy, a polygamist and former Colorado City police chief, moonlighted as a church security officer.
He told investigators from the police standards boards of Arizona and Utah who were evaluating his training that between
20 and 25 times he failed to report child sex abuse cases as required by law.
As a result, state child welfare agencies were often unaware of molestation allegations and unable to help or intervene on
behalf of possible victims. Another result was the reluctance of victims to call police in the first place. "I never once
considered going to the police," said Sara Hammon, 30, who told of enduring years of sexual abuse at the hands of her father
and rothers. "Going to the police would have been going against the whole town. Everyone was [molesting]. The church never
said it was all right, but it was treated nonchalantly."
concerns the officers of the Law who's salaries were paid by the taxpayers. Since they operated primarily as FLDS
enforcers instead of upholding the law, I'd consider those officers collecting money a form of fraud and abuse of power
Charged with protecting and serving their community, Colorado City police have long had a reputation for protecting and serving
church interests instead. The force, which covers Hildale as well, is reportedly handpicked by FLDS leaders. Call 911 here, say
state investigators, and it is the same as calling the FLDS.
Former police employees and state investigators say officers either ignore molestation allegations or send them to the church
rather than to outside prosecutors. Paul Musser, a former dispatcher for the Colorado City police, was eyewitness to the daily
activity of the station. "Sex crimes were handled very delicately, very discreetly," he said. "They were taken to the prophet."
Sam Roundy, a polygamist and former Colorado City police chief, moonlighted as a church security officer.
He told investigators from the police standards boards of Arizona and Utah who were evaluating his training that between
20 and 25 times he failed to report child sex abuse cases as required by law.
As a result, state child welfare agencies were often unaware of molestation allegations and unable to help or intervene on
behalf of possible victims. Another result was the reluctance of victims to call police in the first place. "I never once
considered going to the police," said Sara Hammon, 30, who told of enduring years of sexual abuse at the hands of her father
and rothers. "Going to the police would have been going against the whole town. Everyone was [molesting]. The church never
said it was all right, but it was treated nonchalantly."
mollymalone
Former Member
Excellent article regarding the public servants paid salaries by taxpayers who routinely denied civil rights to fleeing FLDS girls, women, children and boys.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...2may12,0,3267921.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Court records, undisclosed investigative reports and interviews by The Times
over the last year show that church authorities flout state and federal laws and systematically deny rights and freedoms, especially to women and children. "The fact that this has been going on all these years, and the fact that justice has not been there to protect women and children from amazing civil rights violations it is an embarrassment," said Utah Atty. Gen. Mark Shurtleff. "I don't want to indict the states of Utah and Arizona, but mea culpa we are responsible."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...2may12,0,3267921.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Court records, undisclosed investigative reports and interviews by The Times
over the last year show that church authorities flout state and federal laws and systematically deny rights and freedoms, especially to women and children. "The fact that this has been going on all these years, and the fact that justice has not been there to protect women and children from amazing civil rights violations it is an embarrassment," said Utah Atty. Gen. Mark Shurtleff. "I don't want to indict the states of Utah and Arizona, but mea culpa we are responsible."
mollymalone
Former Member
ABC hasn't been too swift in their reporting either.
galvino
Woof Woof, ya'll!
AGREED, Zodiak!!!!
Why doesn't CNN or someone show Banking on Heaven, or a follow the $ trail expose- I bet that'll get some folks riled up!
Why doesn't CNN or someone show Banking on Heaven, or a follow the $ trail expose- I bet that'll get some folks riled up!
galvino
Woof Woof, ya'll!
They need webslueths working for them so they can get their facts straight!
mollymalone
Former Member
MOLLY SAYS: Some might say this isn't relevant to the money issue. Again it's a public official, who's salary is paid for by taxpayer dollars. The leniency in sentencing by this official beggars the question, who's he working for? The FLDS or for justice for victims?http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy448.html
On both sides of the state line, lenient sentences for sex abuse cases are a common complaint. Sometimes the leniency shocked even defense attorneys. Jim McGhee, attorney for Dan Barlow Jr., was stunned by his client's 13-day sentence. "I saw it as a victory, but the fact that he spent 13 days in jail for molesting five daughters is pretty amazing," he said. "The fact that the judge went along with it is one of the most surprising things."
Mohave County Superior Court Judge Richard Weiss, who presided over the case, said it was really just "a little bit of breast touching." During the father's sentencing proceedings, Judge Weiss was told that Johnson may have molested the man's daughter more times than he admitted in court."
On both sides of the state line, lenient sentences for sex abuse cases are a common complaint. Sometimes the leniency shocked even defense attorneys. Jim McGhee, attorney for Dan Barlow Jr., was stunned by his client's 13-day sentence. "I saw it as a victory, but the fact that he spent 13 days in jail for molesting five daughters is pretty amazing," he said. "The fact that the judge went along with it is one of the most surprising things."
Mohave County Superior Court Judge Richard Weiss, who presided over the case, said it was really just "a little bit of breast touching." During the father's sentencing proceedings, Judge Weiss was told that Johnson may have molested the man's daughter more times than he admitted in court."
mollymalone
Former Member
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy339.html
The longtime leader of the Bountiful group, Winston Blackmore, has been deposed by Jeffs. Jeffs has since evicted men who were loyal to Blackmore, and reassigned their wives and children to men who were loyal to him. But Blackmore, long known as the Bishop
of Bountiful, has refused to leave the community. It is his supporters from Hildale and Colorado City who Idaho officials believe are moving into Boundary County, to be closer to their spiritual leader.
"Idaho's Department of Health and Welfare is investigating possible welfare fraud and child brides in Boundary County, which has about 10,000 residents, but has found no evidence that is occurring, spokesman Tom Shanahan said. Idaho law enforcement
officers likewise say they have no reports of laws being broken, and are not even sure how many polygamists have moved into
the county. "There's lots of talk about underage brides, but no one seems to be able to produce one,'' said Boundary County
Sheriff Greg Sprungl. Idaho legislators have formed a special committee to examine persistent claims that child brides are being transported through the state, as part of exchanges between Bountiful and Utah."
The FLDS members in Idaho have bought big parcels of land that accommodate several large houses, and built a school for their children, Palmer said. Located at the foot of dramatic Skimmerhorn Mountain, Bountiful has existed for more than 50 years.
The longtime leader of the Bountiful group, Winston Blackmore, has been deposed by Jeffs. Jeffs has since evicted men who were loyal to Blackmore, and reassigned their wives and children to men who were loyal to him. But Blackmore, long known as the Bishop
of Bountiful, has refused to leave the community. It is his supporters from Hildale and Colorado City who Idaho officials believe are moving into Boundary County, to be closer to their spiritual leader.
"Idaho's Department of Health and Welfare is investigating possible welfare fraud and child brides in Boundary County, which has about 10,000 residents, but has found no evidence that is occurring, spokesman Tom Shanahan said. Idaho law enforcement
officers likewise say they have no reports of laws being broken, and are not even sure how many polygamists have moved into
the county. "There's lots of talk about underage brides, but no one seems to be able to produce one,'' said Boundary County
Sheriff Greg Sprungl. Idaho legislators have formed a special committee to examine persistent claims that child brides are being transported through the state, as part of exchanges between Bountiful and Utah."
The FLDS members in Idaho have bought big parcels of land that accommodate several large houses, and built a school for their children, Palmer said. Located at the foot of dramatic Skimmerhorn Mountain, Bountiful has existed for more than 50 years.
mollymalone
Former Member
Edited to add: THIS IS CRAWFORD COLORDADO, NOT TEXAS (Sorry!)
http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=8160175
"It was shortly after the siege on the Eldorado, Texas compound, that residents in Crawford noticed a large fence going up around a piece of property near town."
"A woman we spoke with, who wishes to remain unnamed, says she met a few of the men who live on the property. She says they told her they are from Texas and they recently moved here. She says they told her they just want to keep to themselves. Other neighbors in Crawford tell us they think more than 100 people live there. They say multiple families are living there and the kids don't go to local schools. Another neighbor tells us they've noticed windows on the property are blocked out and covered up with bricks."
http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=8160175
"It was shortly after the siege on the Eldorado, Texas compound, that residents in Crawford noticed a large fence going up around a piece of property near town."
"A woman we spoke with, who wishes to remain unnamed, says she met a few of the men who live on the property. She says they told her they are from Texas and they recently moved here. She says they told her they just want to keep to themselves. Other neighbors in Crawford tell us they think more than 100 people live there. They say multiple families are living there and the kids don't go to local schools. Another neighbor tells us they've noticed windows on the property are blocked out and covered up with bricks."
mollymalone
Former Member
EDITED TO ADD: THIS IS CRAWFORD,COLORADO, NOT TEXAS (Sorry!)
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=90002
*Photos*
(Sheriff) "He says the people living there admitted they are members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS). He says he does not believe they are polygamists, but the topic did not come up during their visit. McKee says he toured a building and found no evidence of criminal activity and there will be no criminal investigation at the property owned by Neph Barlow. "
[Barlow] just wanted us to be able to look at the property and assure his neighbors that he doesn't have any type of criminal activity going on there and it's just him and his family and hired hands that are working on the property at this time," McKee told reporters at a news conference in Delta.
Neighbors living near Barlow's property, contacted 9Wants to Know after a privacy fence was built, raising concerns. The more than 7-foot-tall fence blocks the property's view of a nearby mountain range that neighbors describe as beautiful.
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=90002
*Photos*
(Sheriff) "He says the people living there admitted they are members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS). He says he does not believe they are polygamists, but the topic did not come up during their visit. McKee says he toured a building and found no evidence of criminal activity and there will be no criminal investigation at the property owned by Neph Barlow. "
[Barlow] just wanted us to be able to look at the property and assure his neighbors that he doesn't have any type of criminal activity going on there and it's just him and his family and hired hands that are working on the property at this time," McKee told reporters at a news conference in Delta.
Neighbors living near Barlow's property, contacted 9Wants to Know after a privacy fence was built, raising concerns. The more than 7-foot-tall fence blocks the property's view of a nearby mountain range that neighbors describe as beautiful.
mollymalone
Former Member
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=90002
"Another FLDS compound is located in Mancos in Montezuma County."
"The property in Montezuma County shares similar characteristics with the property purchased last year in Delta County. 9Wants to Know has confirmed neither county requires building permits. Residents are able to build without notifying county officials. Both properties are miles from town and offer natural privacy or man made privacy. In Crawford the large privacy fence shields part of the property. In Mancos, mountain terrain and trees block much of the public's view. Huge fields separate homes on both properties from nearby roads and both parcels of land are large with room for growth."
"Another FLDS compound is located in Mancos in Montezuma County."
"The property in Montezuma County shares similar characteristics with the property purchased last year in Delta County. 9Wants to Know has confirmed neither county requires building permits. Residents are able to build without notifying county officials. Both properties are miles from town and offer natural privacy or man made privacy. In Crawford the large privacy fence shields part of the property. In Mancos, mountain terrain and trees block much of the public's view. Huge fields separate homes on both properties from nearby roads and both parcels of land are large with room for growth."
mollymalone
Former Member
EDITED TO ADD: THIS IS CRAWFORD, COLORADO, NOT TEXAS (Sorry!)The property was purchased in mid-2007
http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/15/041608_1a_Barlow.html
"Delta County Commissioner Olen Lund said the owner of a Crawford ranch, Neph I. Barlow, confirmed he is a member of a polygamist religious group, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Lund said he and Delta County Sheriff Fred McKee toured the 35-acre ranch, located west of 3350 Road and south of B50 Road, at Barlow’s request." “They made it clear they are members of the FLDS, and they are followers of Warren Jeffs,” Lund said. “We asked the question, and that was the answer.”
"Records on file with the Colorado Division of Water Resources show there could be as many as three households planned for the ranch." "Kevin Rein, chief of water supply for the agency, said Barlow’s application to drill a drinking-water well on the property says it would be used to sustain three single-family dwellings, a garden and livestock. He said his agency approved the well permit in January. McKee said Barlow told the county he plans to build two more single-family homes on the property sometime in the future."
http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/15/041608_1a_Barlow.html
"Delta County Commissioner Olen Lund said the owner of a Crawford ranch, Neph I. Barlow, confirmed he is a member of a polygamist religious group, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Lund said he and Delta County Sheriff Fred McKee toured the 35-acre ranch, located west of 3350 Road and south of B50 Road, at Barlow’s request." “They made it clear they are members of the FLDS, and they are followers of Warren Jeffs,” Lund said. “We asked the question, and that was the answer.”
"Records on file with the Colorado Division of Water Resources show there could be as many as three households planned for the ranch." "Kevin Rein, chief of water supply for the agency, said Barlow’s application to drill a drinking-water well on the property says it would be used to sustain three single-family dwellings, a garden and livestock. He said his agency approved the well permit in January. McKee said Barlow told the county he plans to build two more single-family homes on the property sometime in the future."
mollymalone
Former Member
http://www.childbrides.org/colorado_YFZ_exclusive_by_Krakauer.html
Eldorado Success
"Fundamentalist named David Steed Allred paid $1,394,000 for two 60-acre parcels of land six miles north of Mancos, a small community in Colorado's southwest corner. Allred, moreover, is presently maneuvering to purchase a third 60-acre parcel lying between the other properties, which would give the FLDS Church a private inholding of 180 contiguous acres entirely surrounded by publicly owned National Forest."
"The man who purchased the FLDS property in Colorado, David Allred, is the same man who purchased 1,691 acres for the FLDS Church outside of Eldorado, Texas in November 2003. In both cases Allred told local residents that he was buying the properties to use as a corporate hunting retreat for entertaining clients."
"The new compound is situated 7,900 feet above sea level, in the densely wooded foothills of the San Juan Mountains, perhaps the loveliest and most rugged peaks in Colorado. Wild game is abundant. Jeffs may have been made aware of the place by Sam Roundy, the police chief of Hildale, Utah, whose father and grandfather were raised in Durango, Colorado, 20 miles east Mancos."
Eldorado Success
"Fundamentalist named David Steed Allred paid $1,394,000 for two 60-acre parcels of land six miles north of Mancos, a small community in Colorado's southwest corner. Allred, moreover, is presently maneuvering to purchase a third 60-acre parcel lying between the other properties, which would give the FLDS Church a private inholding of 180 contiguous acres entirely surrounded by publicly owned National Forest."
"The man who purchased the FLDS property in Colorado, David Allred, is the same man who purchased 1,691 acres for the FLDS Church outside of Eldorado, Texas in November 2003. In both cases Allred told local residents that he was buying the properties to use as a corporate hunting retreat for entertaining clients."
"The new compound is situated 7,900 feet above sea level, in the densely wooded foothills of the San Juan Mountains, perhaps the loveliest and most rugged peaks in Colorado. Wild game is abundant. Jeffs may have been made aware of the place by Sam Roundy, the police chief of Hildale, Utah, whose father and grandfather were raised in Durango, Colorado, 20 miles east Mancos."
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