For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[MEM2010]

I think Lee cause KC was with Yuri

Lee's testimony-

FG questioning LA about 7/15 and his computer use

LA says he was searching where sawgrass apartments were

FG asks if he deleted any of the internet history

LA says no


they have what time it was deleted.
This is exactly why I believe KC's memory is fuzzy and she'wake up with her bra undone. She remembers Lee standing there watching her and nothing else?

gives me the creeps

 

[crucibelle]

Well, some may have been sold on the smell by power of suggestion? There are many more people involved who have had experience in human decomp who didn't smell anything. I would think everyone involved would've smelled it, not just a select few. And, if (a big IF) GA and the towyard manager truly smelled human decomposition, why didn't either one of them call the police?

I understood the manager to testify that he's had many vehicles with bodies in the car on his lot. When someone manages a lot like that, picks up a vehicle that he believes to have a dead body in it, isn't it required for him to notify the police to either find the owner or open the car up? If that isn't done, isn't that hindering an investigation? Or something like that? This manager was closely involved with LE, why wouldn't he just make a quick call to find out about the car? Or, when GA left with the car why not just mention since he was saying his daughter/granddaughter were missing, mention to LE that the car smelled like decomp? No, instead you wait until you hear the news that the child is missing and the mother is a suspect.... THEN you come clean with this information? And THEN is when LE decided to pick up the vehicle. Not before, when everyone was around the car and should've clearly smelled human decomp.

Could you please list these "many" people who had experience with the smell of death and smelled nothing in the trunk? Because, first of all, I don't think there were many, and secondly, I think that the ones who didn't smell anything DID NOT have experience with the smell of decomp. Respectfully, you've already posted one piece of misinformation on this thread (about KC & George having an unrecorded meeting). Now, I think you are posting more misinformation.

 

[beccalecca1]

I think Lee cause KC was with Yuri

Lee's testimony-

FG questioning LA about 7/15 and his computer use

LA says he was searching where sawgrass apartments were

FG asks if he deleted any of the internet history

LA says no


they have what time it was deleted.
This is exactly why I believe KC's memory is fuzzy and she'wake up with her bra undone. She remembers Lee standing there watching her and nothing else?

gives me the creeps

I have to ask, and I could be reaching for this... but are you implying that maybe LA chloroformed KC way back then?

 

[pcrum12]

Talk about a fantasy.

Wow that was quite insulting. As noted everything I post is just my opinion. If you don't agree that's ok but plz don't insult me. IIRC everything I posted was brought up in the trial. I didn't create a fantasy. But again if you don't agree I can except. If you want to bash me and insult me plz just ignore my post. Thank you.

 

[Baznme]

I think his opinion on the chloroform was refuted by 2 different ppl during the trial. One was the FBI guy - the best forensic lab in the country (some say the World), but I can't remember the other guys name. Oh don't get me wrong, Vass knows dead body smell. lol. I just don't buy his take on the chloroform level and wasn't it also brought out that no quantitive testing was done?

LOL.....I don't know anymore pcrum....I believe they called it "qualitative" testing....the more I try to understand the more confused I get. I sincerely hope she didn't contribute to Caylee's death, but I have a very difficult time believing she didn't.

 

[megsy]

Just to add there was no ingredients at all in the house or sheds that could be used to make chloroform.

True. Except that could be reasonably explained by LE not knowing there was a missing child for 31 days. Plenty of time to discard of evidence.

See? This is how juries are supposed to deliberate.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LOL... ok.. I'm really not trying to play games with you.


In the beginning of all of this you asked about all the people that smelled human decomp, did I think it was a lie or that they were mistaken.

Then it went on to the confusion of Vass and Co. (I'm guessing you were wondering if I thought they lied or were mistaken)

Well, since the odds are pointing to me that it is far fetched to believe it was decomposition in the trunk, and I can't see Vass and Co. actually lying on the stand for a small profit (plus they're scientists and he's clearly passionate about what he's doing), it has to equate to mistaken identity (IMO). But, as far as why he'd be mistaken (what his motive behind that is), I haven't really thought long and hard about it. Perhaps its from power of suggestion, or the fact that he's getting evidence to analyze at his body farm (suspecting that everything analyzed there equates to human decomposition... he probably just assumed that no matter what he found, if any chemicals were present it would mean human decomposition to him.).

Can you understand where I'm coming from now?

I'm sorry but I don't understand anything in this post. I don't want to be rude in any way at all.Can someone maybe help me understand.My question from the beginning was did anyone that smelled the human decomposition in the trunk lie about it or maybe were mistaken. Nothing complicated.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Just for the fact that it was there, I never discounted it. Too much of a coincidence IMO. After six months, the chloroform would be miniscule. The expiration date on the bottle only tells me it was something that had been laying around and used, not a product that was purchased, drank and then used as a container. I'm just too skeptical, I guess to let any reference of chloroform slide.

The bottle was sealed (capped) and so chloroform would not necessarily escape. The level was so low that it could have originated from tap water. Water was the main liquid in the bottle.

If you think that this evidence was related to Casey/Caylee then your main focus/intrigue ought to be the testosterone in the syringe. It's only legally available by prescription. In general, it is used by older men who need/want testosterone replacement and also by bodybuilders (though a doctor won't typically prescribe it for a guy who just wants to pump up).

 

[megsy]

I use Tide with Bleach on my colored clothes. I assume the composite of color safe bleach would be different than regular bleach. Wonder if color safe beach could still produce chloroform? Regardless, Im inclined to not believe that there were high levels of chloroform in the trunk. And didn't the OCSO guy actually take the air samples - two I think. Sent one to Vass and sent the other to FBI? So they were taken at the same time. IIRC. I didn't buy Dr. Vass testimony. I did except the FBI guy, can't remember his name at the moment. He stated chloroform levels were normal and nothing unusual.

That is NOT what the FBI guy said. He said they weren't the highest he'd ever seen but he had never tested carpet for it. And he also said he didn't expect to find ANY chloroform on that carpet.

 

[pcrum12]

It was Ricardo Morales that had the chloroform pic. And after seeing him on the stand, I can believe that Casey might have obtained chloroform from him. JMO.

I think she may have looked it up to see how it was made and was wondering if he was using it on her lol. JMOO

 

[beccalecca1]

Could you please list these "many" people who had experience with the smell of death and smelled nothing in the trunk? Because, first of all, I don't think there were many, and secondly, I think that the ones who didn't smell anything DID NOT have experience with the smell of decomp. Respectfully, you've already posted one piece of misinformation on this thread (about KC & George having an unrecorded meeting). Now, I think you are posting more misinformation.

I clarified the first piece of misinformation by stating that hearing the jailhouse tapes of the meeting, then hearing the LE tape of them bringing GA there, one would assume the meeting happened. I don't claim to know every piece of evidence in this case, so I would appreciate not being held up to that standard.


I'm looking for the exact names of who testified they didn't smell anything, but I can tell you one name for sure, Yuri Melich. There were others (JB's closing arguments outlined all of them) that have had experience in it but didn't smell anything.

 

[Baznme]

The bottle was sealed (capped) and so chloroform would not necessarily escape. The level was so low that it could have originated from tap water. Water was the main liquid in the bottle.

If you think that this evidence was related to Casey/Caylee then your main focus/intrigue ought to be the testosterone in the syringe. It's only legally available by prescription. In general, it is used by older men who need/want testosterone replacement and also by bodybuilders (though a doctor won't typically prescribe it for a guy who just wants to pump up).

UNCLE......I give.

 

[Aqua_Green_Bean]

Again, going from memory here - but do we know 100% for sure that there was not bleach and acetone (i.e. paint thinner) in the house or shed? I would find that hard to believe, unless they had been discarded first.

I do remember, and am pretty certain, that Baez only asked Yuri if he found chloroform in the house, or a receipt for chloroform, or a print out on how to make chloroform. I don't recall him ever being asked if he found bleach or an acetone product in the house (and IMO, this was one of the flaws of the prosecution because I don't think the jury realized how easy it is to make).

 

[beccalecca1]

I'm sorry but I don't understand anything in this post. I don't want to be rude in any way at all.Can someone maybe help me understand.My question from the beginning was did anyone that smelled the human decomposition in the trunk lie about it or maybe were mistaken. Nothing complicated.

I don't think I can be any clearer. I'm sorry.

 

[beccalecca1]

Again, going from memory here - but do we know 100% for sure that there was not bleach and acetone (i.e. paint thinner) in the house or shed? I would find that hard to believe, unless they had been discarded first.

I do remember, and am pretty certain, that Baez only asked Yuri if he found chloroform in the house, or a receipt for chloroform, or a print out on how to make chloroform. I don't recall him ever being asked if he found bleach or an acetone product in the house (and IMO, this was one of the flaws of the prosecution because I don't think the jury realized how easy it is to make).

I thought (could be wrong) that he also asked Yuri if he found any products to make chloroform, or a chemistry set to facilitate making it.

 

[Chablis]

Again, going from memory here - but do we know 100% for sure that there was not bleach and acetone (i.e. paint thinner) in the house or shed? I would find that hard to believe, unless they had been discarded first.

I do remember, and am pretty certain, that Baez only asked Yuri if he found chloroform in the house, or a receipt for chloroform, or a print out on how to make chloroform. I don't recall him ever being asked if he found bleach or an acetone product in the house (and IMO, this was one of the flaws of the prosecution because I don't think the jury realized how easy it is to make).

I would think when they did the search warrants and they were found in the home, they would have been tagged and entered into evidence at trial. There would have been a big poster with how to make chloroform, with all the ingredients found in the Anthony home. Along with the glass bottle she stored it in.

 

[pcrum12]

I have a hard time discounting the chloroform with the computer search "how to make chloroform", the alleged convo with Tracy re: chloroform, the trace of chloroform in the Gatorade bottle, the picture on Ricardo's myspace re: chloroform. Just too much of a coincidence to discount....for me anyway.

If it was an accidental drowning, then why go into the coverup mode? Doesn't make sense.

IMO she was looking it up after seeing RM myspace pic. Maybe she was thinking he may be using it on her. Very possible. As far as accident and the cover up - nothing in this family makes sense lol. I have 2 theories that work for me. Of course JMO but she could have just freaked and was scared to admit she hadn't been watching Caylee close enough. The other is that GA is involved, Casey is asleep or on the computer, maybe GA is showering or whatever, she gets outside alone and gets in the pool. Now it's not just Casey that's at fault. GA too. Why would GA not call 911 -- I can think of only one reason and it's not pretty. Can't have that found out and the cover up starts. Again All JMO

 

[Baznme]

I clarified the first piece of misinformation by stating that hearing the jailhouse tapes of the meeting, then hearing the LE tape of them bringing GA there, one would assume the meeting happened. I don't claim to know every piece of evidence in this case, so I would appreciate not being held up to that standard.


I'm looking for the exact names of who testified they didn't smell anything, but I can tell you one name for sure, Yuri Melich. There were others (JB's closing arguments outlined all of them) that have had experience in it but didn't smell anything.

Ummmm.....I don't think so.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16956173/detail.html

"I actually went into the car to smell what the smell smelled like," Melich said. "Before, just before I came into (my current position), I was a homicide detective for two years with the Orange County Sheriff's Office and in my experience, the smell that I smell inside that car was of decomposition."

 

[Aqua_Green_Bean]

Just curious for people who believe the drowning theory, how do you discount Dr. G's statistic that 100% of the drowning cases she has come across have been reported? I imagine Dr. G has dealt with dozens, if not hundreds, of drownings as it is the #1 cause of death of children under 4 in Florida. So you believe that Casey is the the first person to not report an accidental death and to hide it so it looks like a murder? None of the other parents who had children that drowned came from dysfunctional families?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't think I can be any clearer. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry also . It could have been as easy as yes, no, maybe, I don't know. Because I really would like others opinions to help me understand why the jury came to their verdict. When people give up we all lose out.MOO.