For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Chablis]

She couldn't say anything at all once she had disposed of Caylee, as she would have had to lead LE to Caylee's body...so she had to keep quiet, even before Caylee was found and especially after. I think she only told JB about the "Accident" when it became clear this trial was ready to start. I think she thought it would all somehow go away, with all of the delays over the years...

Well, imo, the only way it was going away from her was if Nancy Grace got canceled. I just have more faith, as we all know I think her last two hours of cell activity before she split showed what really happened.

 

[mrye4709]

But by then it had be 31 days the child had been dead. Maybe finding COD was not going to be an option? Like Dr G said, most pool deaths are reported.

I agree with COD not being an option, but at the time she was still telling the Nanny story (which changed). It would have been better for her to tell what really happened (if it was the drowning), then they could have went on with questioning GA. The body may have been found earlier at least and if the info came from GA they would know he was involved. I don't think GA could have held out information if they put his precious Caylees pics in his face, I think they could have broke him if he was involved. The only evidence of a drowning was a pic of her climbing the ladder with CA and another of her possibly opening the door.

She could have even taken the stand and told the story of drowning and GA covering it up, I could understand the jury believing it then. I'm sure she could have been convincing. But they took the chance of DP, I just don't get it.

 

[annalia]

Well then maybe you should be upset with Judge Perry who ruled that the defense had presented enough evidence of the drowning theory that they could argue it in their closing.

I must have missed that ruling by Judge Perry.

What evidence did they present during trial that supported a drowning theory?

 

[MissJames]

She couldn't say anything at all once she had disposed of Caylee, as she would have had to lead LE to Caylee's body...so she had to keep quiet, even before Caylee was found and especially after. I think she only told JB about the "Accident" when it became clear this trial was ready to start. I think she thought it would all somehow go away, with all of the delays over the years...

I think the story was made up after the DT lost on all their motions to keep evidence out and to let their drs in. Once the State started deposing the drs ,JB called a halt to it and came up with plan D and G. :loser:

 

[1Chump]

I just don't get it. Three people who attended the trial on most days were interviewed by a talking head, and they all agreed that they would have voted the same way. It was the barney fife guy, the heavy set blond who going to school for criminal justice, and another guy. Have we all been duped by the media all this time by watching the sensational while there never was enough proof for premeditated first degree murder? How can people say that it was not murder or even child neglect/abuse. Do they believe it was an accident that happened in only 2 hours time that resulted in immediate sure death with no calls for help, or that the whole family covered it up?

Bold part....YES.

Sadly the media that ran with document dump did so without ever mentioning that information would never make it into a court of law.

Discovery is like panning for gold with evidence being the gold. Discovery getting as much information to try to find evidence.

Jessie Grund said that he could see if something happened to Caylee, Casey making up a new reality. That is not evidence. That is his opinion. Only "experts" are allowed to give their opinion in a court of law. They have to be qualified to give an opinion.

Between hearsay and speculation and a family of liars, there was NEVER really much evidence.

Then you have the shocking opening statement. While the claim was not evidence, it did result in the jurors not automtically accepting George and Cindy the way the prosecutor needed them to be seen as the poor grieving grandparents. Instead, juror and others had more of a open mind and saw the clear dysfunction.

For me, the biggest mistake the SA made was showing those jailhouse tapes. I was shocked at all the dysfunction on those tapes.

In interviews, JA said that he truly beleives George's suicide note. He also said that he thought LE was faking the crying. My opinion is directly oposite.

IMO, that is what happened with many. Because of the coverage, so many had made determinations long before the trial started that they were going to see things under the prism of her being guilty. The only way for those to accept her not guilty was for her to be proven innocent. However, as the defense has no duty to prove her innocent, there was NEVER going to be enough evidence to convince those we were so sure she was gulty.

 

[1Chump]

I must have missed that ruling by Judge Perry.

What evidence did they present during trial that supported a drowning theory?

Judge Perry did not state specifically.

However, Cindy, her co-worker and Yuri all testified about Cindy's pool ladder claim BEFORE Casey was arrested.

The LDB questioned Cindy about the slider including the height of the handle to try to imply that Caylee could not open the door. But she NEVER asked Cindy if Caylee could open the door. As soon as she was done, JB asked Cindy if Caylee could open the door and Cindy admitted that she could. Then you had pictures show she could open the door and climb the ladder.

The State NEVER really disputed it. They stated in their closing it was too ridiculous to consider.

Therefore, what "little" pool evidence was presented was NEVER disputed.

 

[eleni777]

No need for anyone to buy her book, I think they will use this story.

Honestly, I don't think (I)CA would have stayed in jail for 3 yrs. She hated her parents, maybe she has a reason, maybe she doesn't. If this story was anywhere close to what happened, why wouldn't she make herself the victim and telll the story? I don't think she would have NOT told if this were the case.

It is my understanding that she was in jail because of the being convicted on the check fraud charges steming from stealing from her friend Amy. She wasn't sitting in jail for 3 years because of what happened to Caylee..

 

[1Chump]

Am I the only one who caught George Anthony testifying that Caylee told him she was going to Zanny's. Right there, George lost credibility for me.

 

[MissJames]

It is my understanding that she was in jail because of the being convicted on the check fraud charges steming from stealing from her friend Amy. She wasn't sitting in jail for 3 years because of what happened to Caylee..

Yes she was.She was never bailed out after being arrested for murder in Oct. Lucky for her JS allowed the time she was sitting in jail on a murder charge could go towards the Felony conviction after she plead guilty .

All this info is here at WS for anyone who cares to know the real facts.

 

[Chablis]

Yes she was.She was never bailed out after being arrested for murder in Oct. Lucky for her JS allowed the time she was sitting in jail on a murder charge could go towards the Felony conviction after she plead guilty .

All this info is here at WS for anyone who cares to know the real facts.

Pretty much all people incarcerated get good time. Did she even have bail after October?

 

[MissJames]

Yes she was.She was never bailed out after being arrested for murder in Oct. Lucky for her JS allowed the time she was sitting in jail on a murder charge could go towards the Felony conviction after she plead guilty .

All this info is here at WS for anyone who cares to know the real facts.

Casey didn't plead guilty to check fraud until Jan.25,2010

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...light=Casey+Anthony+pleads+guilty+check+fraud

 

[cluciano63]

It is too bad that those jail tapes, which show Casey as a monster and should have been very strong for the state, also, unfortunately, show George in a very weird light, almost as though he is hiding somehting with her and they are all skirting around some major issue. For me, not knowing all of the Anthony backstory, etc. I found George to be extremely "creepy" on those tapes, everything from his greeting "Hello, beautiful" (really? while she is in jail for hiding info, at the very least, about her child's whereabouts?) to the way they defer to her, as though she has something on them. One could conclude that they are in on some part of what happened, are at least aware of what happened, or that there is a very dark secret about this family.

 

[annalia]

Judge Perry did not state specifically.

However, Cindy, her co-worker and Yuri all testified about Cindy's pool ladder claim BEFORE Casey was arrested.

The LDB questioned Cindy about the slider including the height of the handle to try to imply that Caylee could not open the door. But she NEVER asked Cindy if Caylee could open the door. As soon as she was done, JB asked Cindy if Caylee could open the door and Cindy admitted that she could. Then you had pictures show she could open the door and climb the ladder.

The State NEVER really disputed it. They stated in their closing it was too ridiculous to consider.

Therefore, what "little" pool evidence was presented was NEVER disputed.

So judge Perry didn't actually rule that the defense presented enough evidence of the drowning theory that they could argue it in their closing?

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[MEM2010]

So judge Perry didn't actually rule that the defense presented enough evidence of the drowning theory that they could argue it in their closing?

Thanks for clearing that up.

someone correct me if I'm wrong but i believe the evidence of drowning were the series of photos of Caylee climbing in the pool with little help a year before and the photo of her where she was allegedly opening the sliding glass door by herself

 

[MissJames]

It is too bad that those jail tapes, which show Casey as a monster and should have been very strong for the state, also, unfortunately, show George in a very weird light, almost as though he is hiding somehting with her and they are all skirting around some major issue. For me, not knowing all of the Anthony backstory, etc. I found George to be extremely "creepy" on those tapes, everything from his greeting "Hello, beautiful" (really? while she is in jail for hiding info, at the very least, about her child's whereabouts?) to the way they defer to her, as though she has something on them. One could conclude that they are in on some part of what happened, are at least aware of what happened, or that there is a very dark secret about this family.

I saw it as parents tip toeing around a sociopath ,desperately trying to get info about their grandaughter,then switching into cover up mode when it became obvious that Casey killed Caylee. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I saw it as parents tip toeing around a sociopath ,desperately trying to get info about their grandaughter,then switching into cover up mode when it became obvious that Casey killed Caylee. JMO

But maybe you had more info, going in? I don't know when you began following the case, so it is hard to know, but I did not follow it until just before the trial started, so I was unaware that Casey was considered a sociopath, just had heard she told some whopping lies. And that may be all the jury knew as well. JMO

 

[beccalecca1]

Do you have a link?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/c/D682C97A5A24A6A5/10/zy_STctX4Yg

Starts about 38 minutes into the video. It's JB's closing arguments.

 

[MissJames]

someone correct me if I'm wrong but i believe the evidence of drowning were the series of photos of Caylee climbing in the pool with little help a year before and the photo of her where she was allegedly opening the sliding glass door by herself

That's my understanding,if you can call it evidence of a drowning. But nothing towards molestation and RK.
So pictures of Caylee at the pool are evidence of drowning,but 3 strips of duct tape (and we all know how wide duct tape is and how small a 2-3 yr olds face is) is not. I continue to be baffled at these arguments. JMO

 

[Eileen730]

No need for anyone to buy her book, I think they will use this story.

Honestly, I don't think (I)CA would have stayed in jail for 3 yrs. She hated her parents, maybe she has a reason, maybe she doesn't. If this story was anywhere close to what happened, why wouldn't she make herself the victim and telll the story? I don't think she would have NOT told if this were the case.

I totally agree!
She would not sit in Jail for 3 years if she did not do anything.

she is guilty as sin! JMO

 

[MarthaM]

So judge Perry didn't actually rule that the defense presented enough evidence of the drowning theory that they could argue it in their closing?

Thanks for clearing that up.

Judge Perry said that the defense could use their theory of drowning in their closing because it was a reasonable inference that could be drawn.

But maybe you had more info, going in? I don't know when you began following the case, so it is hard to know, but I did not follow it until just before the trial started, so I was unaware that Casey was considered a sociopath, just had heard she told some whopping lies. And that may be all the jury knew as well. JMO

I only vaguely remember the news coverage when Caylee was missing, and more clearly remember when her body was found. But other than that I didn't follow this case all along. I didn't see everything the jury did in court, but I also wasn't influenced by the publicity of this case for the past few years. Perhaps it's easier for someone like me to completely understand the verdict, as opposed to someone who followed it for years.