For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Solace]

Caylee could have gotten out of the crack that was opened for the dogs. That's what Tracy McLaughlin stated, the door was left open for the dogs to get outside.

Right, she probably got out through the glass door; went up the ladder and drowned. This happened in the early morning hours; but you have to give it to KC, she sure can get over things quickly - within a matter of lets say hours she was uploading pictures on facebook.

I can see how this would play out. After all you never know how someone reacts to finding their child floating in the pooll -uploading on facebook seems plausible to me. What a trooper.

 

[Solace]

No history that Dr. G knows of.

Well there is now, right.

 

[beccalecca1]

Well, since the WOMAN who left her DNA on it at the lab testified her DNA got on there even though she was wearing gloves and all the rest, one might conclude that it happened at the lab. Possibly, maybe, could be ---

You're talking about the identified DNA in regards to the woman right? I know early in the thread there was confusion that there was actually 2 separate spots of DNA, one identified as the woman lab tech, and the other was unidentified with '17' at the D3 marker.

I find it hard to believe that someone at the lab would contaminate it with one allele. It just seems more plausible that this DNA was with the tape originally and most of the profile deteriorated with the tape.

 

[beccalecca1]

You know, I originally posted on this thread to help the OP understand why I agree with the verdict. The OP appeared to truly want to understand this his/herself. 60+ pages later it doesn't seem like something to understand anymore. I don't feel open to state my opinions without the feeling of being attacked on them. And, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this feeling.

 

[Solace]

You're talking about the identified DNA in regards to the woman right? I know early in the thread there was confusion that there was actually 2 separate spots of DNA, one identified as the woman lab tech, and the other was unidentified with '17' at the D3 marker.

I find it hard to believe that someone at the lab would contaminate it with one allele. It just seems more plausible that this DNA was with the tape originally and most of the profile deteriorated with the tape.

Probably the murderer's DNA. Thank God the jury had the presence of mind they did.

 

[Solace]

You know, I originally posted on this thread to help the OP understand why I agree with the verdict. The OP appeared to truly want to understand this his/herself. 60+ pages later it doesn't seem like something to understand anymore. I don't feel open to state my opinions without the feeling of being attacked on them. And, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this feeling.

I can certainly see how you feel the jury came back with the right verdict. George probably did it. He didn't act like he cared about Caylee at all and for that matter neither did Cindy.

The only person who had a scintilla of love for that child was obviously KC. Just look how she fell apart after George found Caylee drowned and said look what you did. She could barely upload the facebook pictures. It took her all day just to get to Blockbusters. I can't even imagine what she was going through. And then having to go to Fusion and God only knows how she had the strength to steal Amy's money - I mean Cheney is right - she is one strong, smart woman. And then trying to get on with her life and getting the tatoo.

The depth of her misery is just unfathomable. The woman is a saint.

 

[dvdman]

With all due respect you are probably in the minority by a long shot.
A majority of people on this board and in this country believe the Jury got it wrong either by not understanding what they had to do or just by being too lazy to do it. Personally I'm not here to attack opinions just debate them in a respectful way when I disagree with them.

You know, I originally posted on this thread to help the OP understand why I agree with the verdict. The OP appeared to truly want to understand this his/herself. 60+ pages later it doesn't seem like something to understand anymore. I don't feel open to state my opinions without the feeling of being attacked on them. And, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this feeling.

 

[cluciano63]

For me, who didn't know this case inside out like so many here, I didn't know what happened on June 16th before the trial, and I still don't. I won't go as far as to say I "agree" with the jury, but I do understand, based on the the trial itself, how they were unable to convict.

 

[gladiatorqueen]

You know, I originally posted on this thread to help the OP understand why I agree with the verdict. The OP appeared to truly want to understand this his/herself. 60+ pages later it doesn't seem like something to understand anymore. I don't feel open to state my opinions without the feeling of being attacked on them. And, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this feeling.

I have felt that quite a bit myself. I've pretty much not bothered to post my opinion any longer because of the type of responses I've received. I'm also bothered by the many inferences to people's stupidity.

I have greatly appreciated all of your posts (in this thread particularly), and I think you have been very articulate about your views and how you read the evidence. I also think you have been very generous and patient.

I gained a lot of insight from one of your most recent posts about GA and his behaviour since the onset of the whole event. Thank you!

 

[Solace]

Me too.

 

[beccalecca1]

I have felt that quite a bit myself. I've pretty much not bothered to post my opinion any longer because of the type of responses I've received. I'm also bothered by the many inferences to people's stupidity.

I have greatly appreciated all of your posts (in this thread particularly), and I think you have been very articulate about your views and how you read the evidence. I also think you have been very generous and patient.

I gained a lot of insight from one of your most recent posts about GA and his behaviour since the onset of the whole event. Thank you!

You're welcome and thank you!

I think I'm done posting on this thread, at this point in the thread the original topic is gone with the wind! Plus, I've been trying really hard (too hard) at being patient and generous, and I don't like that.

I'll see you around I'm sure!

 

[NavySubMom]

Well, since the WOMAN who left her DNA on it at the lab testified her DNA got on there even though she was wearing gloves and all the rest, one might conclude that it happened at the lab. Possibly, maybe, could be ---

Yes, this was clearly testified to during the trial, the DNA was from the FBI technician.

 

[beccalecca1]

With all due respect you are probably in the minority by a long shot.
A majority of people on this board and in this country believe the Jury got it wrong either by not understanding what they had to do or just by being too lazy to do it. Personally I'm not here to attack opinions just debate them in a respectful way when I disagree with them.

I completely understand I'm in the minority.

What I don't understand is coming to this thread if the idea isn't to either post why you'd agree or attempt to understand the jury. I thought that was the point of this thread.

To be clear, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, it's a general thought in my head.

 

[jrb0124]

You know, I originally posted on this thread to help the OP understand why I agree with the verdict. The OP appeared to truly want to understand this his/herself. 60+ pages later it doesn't seem like something to understand anymore. I don't feel open to state my opinions without the feeling of being attacked on them. And, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this feeling.

Funny, I had the same exact thought just 15 min ago.

I think this thread has served its purpose well. Anyone visiting looking for reasons why the verdicts were returned as there were now has most of them laid out and thoughtfully articulated.

The State failed to paint or complete the big picture whereby all the circumstantial evidence would point to only one conclusion, and point to it beyond a reasonable doubt.

The defense had no obligation to prove their story beyond a reasonable doubt, or any story for that matter. They only had to sufficiently undermine the State's theory to the point that the pieces no longer fit beyond a reasonable doubt, and they did. The proof of that is the verdicts, returned by 12 citizens, complete strangers before the trial, who followed the jury instructions they were given.

 

[jrb0124]

With all due respect you are probably in the minority by a long shot.A majority of people on this board and in this country believe the Jury got it wrong either by not understanding what they had to do or just by being too lazy to do it. Personally I'm not here to attack opinions just debate them in a respectful way when I disagree with them.

In this forum, yes - in the country absolutely not.

2 polls came out, Gallup and USA Today.

One had only 56% of the country disagreeing with the verdicts

One had a bare 20% who "definitely" think casey is guilty.

 

[Solace]

Funny, I had the same exact thought just 15 min ago.

I think this thread has served its purpose well. Anyone visiting looking for reasons why the verdicts were returned as there were now has most of them laid out and thoughtfully articulated.

The State failed to paint or complete the big picture whereby all the circumstantial evidence would point to only one conclusion, and point to it beyond a reasonable doubt.

The defense had no obligation to prove their story beyond a reasonable doubt, or any story for that matter. They only had to sufficiently undermine the State's theory to the point that the pieces no longer fit beyond a reasonable doubt, and they did. The proof of that is the verdicts, returned by 12 citizens, complete strangers before the trial, who followed the jury instructions they were given.

Actually, the one thing the State failed to do was to IMPRESS upon the jury that this is a circumstantial case and that is the key word but that MOST CASES are solved with circumstantial evidence and that they SHOULD LOOK at all the circumstances surrounding this KILLING and put them in perspective and unfortunately, they needed a jack hammer to drill it into their heads but I think Ashton must have forgotten the jack hammer. Thus a not guilty verdict.

Incredibly rude to Caylee. But KC, imo, will rear her head again. No doubt.

 

[MarthaM]

I have fully understood, from the minute the verdict was read, why people thought the jury reached the wrong verdict. They looked at the evidence presented in court, and some included things they knew that weren't part of the record, and reached the conclusion that the verdict should be Guilty. I understand that.

I'm one of the people who looked at the evidence presented at trial (nothing outside of that, as I didn't follow the case until then), and reached the same conclusion as the jury and thus would have voted Not Guilty.

To me, all of this back and forth about pieces of evidence really doesn't serve any purpose at this point. It just comes down to whether or not someone can understand that people will conclude different things from the same evidence. I don't think that's easy for a lot of people to do, maybe because some things seem so very obvious to them that they can't see another possibility.

 

[jrb0124]

Yes, this was clearly testified to during the trial, the DNA was from the FBI technician.

The DNA marker Eikenbloom found was not from the FBI woman or anyone else known to have come into contact from the evidence. Different issues.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

You know, I originally posted on this thread to help the OP understand why I agree with the verdict. The OP appeared to truly want to understand this his/herself. 60+ pages later it doesn't seem like something to understand anymore. I don't feel open to state my opinions without the feeling of being attacked on them. And, I'm sure I'm not the only one with this feeling.

I did the same thing. I made a few posts as to why I agreed with the verdict, and tried to be quite clear that my posts were my opinion only, in an effort to help the OP understand why I agreed. Of course, I have been posting my minority opinions here for nearly two years, so many may have me on their ignore list LOL, so I didn't get all the responses you have. I admire the way you have handled yourself and stuck to your guns. BTW I pretty much agree with all the posts you have made.

I do find it hard to understand that IF the duct tape was over the mouth and nose, and if the decomposition was done in two weeks, and after decomposition the duct tape was no longer sticky due to decomp fluids, and again this took place within two weeks, then as you say, if the only thing the duct tape was adhering too after two weeks was a hair matt, what was holding the mandible in place during Tropical Storm Faye, and during the dispersement by animals?

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

In this forum, yes - in the country absolutely not.

2 polls came out, Gallup and USA Today.

One had only 56% of the country disagreeing with the verdicts

One had a bare 20% who "definitely" think casey is guilty.

The number 56% of the country disagreeing with the verdicts is still high, but it shows how difficult this case would be for a jury. Had the verdict been guilty, 44% of the country would have disagreed with the verdicts. The jury had a tough job.