For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[logicalgirl]

Cindy never said she cleaned it out. She said she brushed away some debris and that was it. We have speculated here that she cleaned it out but NEVER was that proven in court, only speculated on. Also, if you understand the forensics completely, chloroform is volatile and evaporates quickly. The fact that some was even left for the air to be picked up by Vass's equipment is astronomical. Even further that some was left in the actual carpet is beyond astronomical. NONE should have been found in that trunk at all, and yet some was still found after the car was aired out. That tells me a large quantity, more than was in cleaners that were never proven to be used, was in that trunk. Normal people don't dump vast amounts of chloroform in their trunks for any reason.

And that had me convinced of the chloroform long before the disputed searches. I think some mountains are being made of molehills here...

And to piggyback on your comments Aedrys, clearly there is a no understanding of what a Frye hearing is - and what levels of acceptance evidence has to pass to even get introduced into a trial.

 

[Chablis]

Cindy was left alone with that car. The smell was coming from the trunk. If people want to believe she didn't try to clean that car when she had it alone, be my guest. The car was still aired out for hours, so that would affect chloroform levels. I have no doubts Caylee was in that trunk at one time. jmo

 

[suzihawk]

It'd be a lot easier if those who agree with the verdict were more respectful and less venomous to those who don't agree with the verdict. All I've seen here lately is venom and malice towards anyone who doesn't believe the state was corrupt, the defense was perfect, and the right verdict was rendered. There should be intelligent conversation here, not two sides fighting each other. We should just agree to disagree, yet I find myself like others needing to defend what I believe instead.

You are on the wrong thread. Go find a I Hate Casey thread. There are plenty.

Case in point. Clearly it's not just those of us who disagree with the verdict that are disrepectful and venomous. Just sayin'...

 

[askfornina]

while i do agree with the verdict, it is getting a little ugly in here. emotions are high i know but i think everyone needs to take it down a notch including myself at times.

 

[dunlurken]

Based on what I'm reading here.............. the jury got it right. Reasonable doubt, thus NG. I would suspect most here have followed the case from the beginning. If we can't come together on a verdict, no wonder the jury couldn't. It's called reasonable doubt. Something wasn't right, and I'll be dammed if I know what it is.

 

[raeann]

Here is a LINK for those who are interested in how much JA or others are making for each of their interviews. Just to make sure I am not "trashing" anyone in this case, I used a link with interviews done by other people on high profile cases that might be comparable.

Joran VanderSloot's mother>>>$100,000
Michael Jackson's mother>>>>>$340,000

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/abc_nbc_pay_for_talk_KiyWhyjwtqLonAm9J3n7HJ

For those who like to deduce conclusions from facts....multiply those numbers over 20 or so interviews in a two week time frame.

jmo

 

[grandmaj]

Evidence the FBI said was consistent with cleaning product, and the trunk was cleaned. But the hatred for Casey is greater than logic. Jose nailed it. And won. I bet Ashton quit before he got disbarred. jmo

Could you please post a link to any news story that shows that JA was up to be disbarred?

 

[WillChgo]

She has a very good case against the state that they violated her civil rights.

The NYTimes article is misleading. Mr. Bradley is being disingenuous. His flawed software made things worse for the prosecution as the discrepancy was exploited by the defense as they presented their case and in their closing statements.

I can only hope that she would sue the state for violating her civil rights. That would force her to testify.

Not only would she lose the case, but mostly likely she would perjure herself and set herself up for felony convictions.

 

[Chablis]

Evidence the FBI said was consistent with cleaning product, and the trunk was cleaned. But the hatred for Casey is greater than logic. Jose nailed it. And won. I bet Ashton quit before he got disbarred. jmo

Could you please post a link to any news story that shows that JA was up to be disbarred?

I had put this statement as my opinion.

 

[NSS]

I just have to get something off my chest, so excuse me for interrupting the flow of conversation.

I am looking for evidence/proof of an accidental drowning, even circumstantial evidence will do.

Up till now I can find.

Caylee loved swimming.

A photo of Caylee climbing the ladder.

A photo of Caylee at the screen door.

Maybe CA left the ladder up.

The photos are worth little in this instance, I have a photo of my (then) 6 year old, sitting in a race car drivers seat (complete with helmet etc), but his having a car accident was never a possible outcome.

The presence of a photographer for those events show a level of supervision during them than is normal for having small children.

My children loved swimming too. This is not evidence of drowning, the pool was above ground and well protected. CA showed an awareness of the dangers by moving the storage box as Caylee grew older and by always removing the ladder.

CA is unlikely to have left the ladder up, just like folding laundry, changing diapers etc, we females have 'methods' that become ingrained. She wasn't even alone with Caylee on the night of the 15th. FCA took Caylee indoors to shower and redress, leaving CA free to collect up the swimwear, toys and towels etc, remove the ladder without having to 'remember to do them later'.

I keep visiting the timeline of computer activity, cell pings etc trying to find out when the accident could have occurred, (without GA knowing because I have ZERO evidence that he could be involved, except a mention by JB who probably got it from FCA).

If I apply the jurors reasoning in the opposite direction, I can't seem to come up with a drowning scenario.

I can use available evidence to show a period of time where the killing and concealing of Caylee happened.
Does anyone have a 'here's how it could have happened' using the evidence we have that shows a drowning thru dumping scenario?

 

[jjenny]

Even if the scenario as pool drowning was correct one, should it be legal to not call 911 in the case of a child who has drowned? How is that not at the very least considered child abuse?

 

[Chablis]

Even if the scenario as pool drowning was correct one, should it be legal to not call 911 in the case of a child who has drowned? How is that not at the very least considered child abuse?

The very last moments before she left the Anthonys, something did happen and she did try to call her mom, and Cindy didn't pick up, probably imo because she was so mad at Casey from the night before. I think she tried to get help, but not through 911 and then she just took matters into her own hands. Shes weird to begin with by she was probably traumatized, I dont know, but if the State had even entertained the pool death and not over charged, then yes, what you described probably could have gotten her at least 6 years in prison but the State went for the jugular. jmo

 

[dunlurken]

Even if the scenario as pool drowning was correct one, should it be legal to not call 911 in the case of a child who has drowned? How is that not at the very least considered child abuse?

The short answer is "no". The long answer is who saw Caylee drowned in the pool?

 

[raeann]

Even if the scenario as pool drowning was correct one, should it be legal to not call 911 in the case of a child who has drowned? How is that not at the very least considered child abuse?

Of course that should have been done, no matter what "side" people are on in this case, it is obvious that CA (and/or GA or anyone else around) SHOULD have done a number of things they did NOT do. HOWEVER, the SA office made their first and major mistake in not charging her appropriately with what they had the potential of getting a definite conviction. If they had been less interested in the hype and sensationalism of a DP case, I believe that CA would have taken a plea deal months ago on a charge of involuntary manslaughter/child neglect/etc. and that she would be in prison today.

jmo of course.....

 

[YellowDog]

I find it strange on here that very few want to give any credit to Baez for winning the "impossible" case. The prosecution was practically "High Fiving It" on their way into the court chambers to hear the verdicts only to find out they had lost.

I would suspect that JA had already been booked by the shows on which he appeared after the trail thinking he would be the winning attorney. I wonder if they would have booked him if they'd known he was going to be the loser?

 

[cluciano63]

Here is one thing I believe, after everything I have read/seen about Casey and family; if there exists a person who would cover up an accidental death, drowning or otherwise, with ridiculous tales and even try to make it look like a kidnapping/murder, this person would be Casey. She would never admit to neglecting Caylee long enough for her to drown or die in another way, mainly because she would not give Cindy the "satisfaction" of being right about Casey being a bad mother. And Casey kept stressing how Cindy said that about her, so it was clearly on her mind.

And once she was taken to jail and charged with Caylee's death, no one was going to listen to her if she suddely decided to "come clean", not to mention she couldn't admit it, seeing how and where Caylee would eventually be found. So she had to stick to her lies. And even if she had told LE in October that Caylee had drowned, this is all a big mistake, they would have told her, "too late, we'll let the jury decide what happened." So it wasn't like she was going to be freed if she "confessed".

So to me, it's not like she sat in jail for three years over an accident, as many have said. She really did not have a choice. At that point, even if Caylee's death was an accident, and I believe that is possible, no one was buying anything she was selling-and she had to try to distance herself from the way she left Caylee.

 

[WillChgo]

The very last moments before she left the Anthonys, something did happen and she did try to call her mom, and Cindy didn't pick up, probably imo because she was so mad at Casey from the night before. I think she tried to get help, but not through 911 and then she just took matters into her own hands. Shes weird to begin with by she was probably traumatized, I dont know, but if the State had even entertained the pool death and not over charged, then yes, what you described probably could have gotten her at least 6 years in prison but the State went for the jugular. jmo

This would only make sense if Casey was negligent in the drowning, which would still make her guilty of manslaughter.

Manslaughter was one of the charges available to the jury and they chose to ignore it.

But even the pool death story still doesn't explain (1) the duct tape evidence and (2) her behavior after Caylee's death.

IMO it would have been irresponsible for the prosecution NOT to charge her with 1st degree murder.

 

[whiteangora]

And to piggyback on your comments Aedrys, clearly there is a no understanding of what a Frye hearing is - and what levels of acceptance evidence has to pass to even get introduced into a trial.

So true ll, we all watched them together. Dr Vass was incredible and I have 100% faith in his reports and his testimony. The jury clearly didn't have a clue as far as what to do with any of the evidence. All they wanted was a quick exit and a big payday.
FWIW, Jeff Ashton has a stellar reputation and he has worked for decades at being a victim's advocate and making very little money while doing it. Being a public servant is no picnic and he has my utmost respect.

 

[grandmaj]

OK no matter what side we are on lets play nice here. Let's not make statements we cannot back up because it is unfair no matter which side you believe in. No one here would like to be condemned unfairly or have their reputation impugned. If there are incidents or records pointing to misconduct or other issues then discuss the facts.

 

[askfornina]

So true ll, we all watched them together. Dr Vass was incredible and I have 100% faith in his reports and his testimony. The jury clearly didn't have a clue as far as what to do with any of the evidence. All they wanted was a quick exit and a big payday.
FWIW, Jeff Ashton has a stellar reputation and he has worked for decades at being a victim's advocate and making very little money while doing it. Being a public servant is no picnic and he has my utmost respect.

if you think this is the case, how do you explain only a few jurors coming forward? it's not like all 12 jurors ran to the private yacht store after completing their tv interviews. jmo.