For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[EPfan]

Not trying to get anyone upset here, but this is what happend to me.

I watched all the Talking Heads and thought this trail was going to be a slam dunk. Guilty as charged.

I settled into my easy chair, with a bag of bon-bons and here we go, just for the heck of it, I was going to watch. To make a long story short, when the procecution rested, I couldn't tell if I had eaten too many bon-bon's or if my stomach had a quezzy feeling because I felt like the procecution should have had more. I just told myself it would be OK because the defense wasn't very smart and didn't have the dream team, according to the talking heads. After the defense rested, the quizzy feeling was still there but much worse. Again the talking heads had told me over and over what a BOZO JB was and everyday they would say the procecution won the day. Very few days did they say the defense won the day. By this time I told myself that this wasn't a 1st degree murder case. I'm not a lawyer, just an everyday gal, but I have to say I had too many questions and didn't feel good at all. On verdit day my quizzy stomach was proven not to have been eating too many bon-bons. I wish I knew what happend, but I don't. I have heard so many theory's that my head spins sometime. You have to base the verdict on what was presented, not by what the talking heads said. Even though I don't feel Caylee got her justice, I do believe the jury did their best and got the verdict right with the evidence they were given. The Defence team might not have been the dream team, but during the whole trial when I heard the name Bozo, and other things I had a bad feeling because I thought they did a good job. I did learn something from all of this and that is my gut feeling was right, and Talking Heads aren't always right. These people are trying to get ratings and will say anything and everything to get you to watch them. Even today I wish I knew the whole story, and I wish I could ask all the questions I have and get an answer. The jury has spoken and I believe they did what they had to do. Alot of thing said on the web isn't evidence to inject the needle.

 

[gladiatorqueen]

Oh brother, those cases aren't the least comparable. Patricia never denied her daughter was missing, for instance.

This response tells me that you are completely missing the point of the article. Cheers.

 

[Amity]

There was a search for "shovel", along with "death", chloroform", how to make chloroform, neck breaking, ruptured spleen, hand to hand combat, etc. Yes, a plain old search for shovel is strange. But all of these searches together lead me to believe that KC had murder on her mind.

Exactly!

Whatever the verdict......what's done is done.
But I will ALWAYS believe that Murder was on her mind but not of Caylee at that time.... but the murder of her parents.

There is NO way a 22 year old petite girl needs to research "neck breaking" "hand combat" and even "shovel" to kill a 2 yr. old baby.
Adults? Oh heck yea.
But IMO, back when these searches started, the plan was there but the timing just didn't present itself for Casey to get the job done the way she wanted....or the way she wanted the job to 'appear' when it was done. ala; intruder, burglary, druggys looking for meds/money.
It was all in the timing for Casey so that the deaths could look just right.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

This response tells me that you are completely missing the point of the article. Cheers.

His point is that the evidence was comparably weak for indictment. He's easily wrong.

What do you think his point is?

 

[Littleone48]

Let me add that I'm not sayng the prosecution is innocent of any charges. I'm saying nothing has been proven yet because we don't have all the evidence. If and when enough evidence is revealed, and it's not in doubt they violated any ethics, then I hope they are sanctioned somehow.

Also needs to be said that whatever the prosecution did has no bearing on KC's guilt or innocence.

Sad to say but I think this happens in many cases especially high profile cases. Let's fact it, for the DT and the PT it's a chance of a lifetime. We have the media, we have face time on the TV and that does not happen to many attorney's in their lifetime. Both want a win, both want to go down in history. Then throw in the politics and we have a very corrupt justice system.

I have not believed in our justice system for a long time. I have seen and heard too much to not think that's it a big game to most. I have been disappointed by many Prosecution Attorney's that hop the fence to defend the same scum of the earth that for years they said day after day in court should not be allowed to walk the streets. Peter Odom is one of them. I worked with him on a case and was very surprised that he now represents the same scum that he tried to convict. I always thought he had a passion to protect us from them. Now he finds ways to get them off.

I have to admit I did not like the way JA acted during this trial. I thought many of his antics were out of line and unprofessional. However I did respect him because he always fought for the public. Working for the Pro's is never a high paying job. However that respect was lost when he retired the next day and proceeded to go on TV and IMO probably was paid a good sum to do that. Was it planned? I dunno but this appears to be the way all high profile cases end for both sides.

I am pretty sure they did do something wrong however I think discussing it, not excusing it and making some changes would help much more than sanctions. IMO most do it but do not get caught. I cringe on the amount of innocent people in prison because of situations like this.

OK off my soap-box

 

[MissJames]

Why are you asking me that in response to my post on a different subject (computer searches)? I have no idea why you would post a question like that to me in response to anything I've said here.

I see "neck breaking" ,"how to make chloroform "and" how to kill with household products" ,combined with that same person telling a friend she would soon have the house to herself, as someone probably planning to kill,especially since her daughter ended up dead and thrown away like trash.

I don't recall any mention of Casey playing video games,so I wondered what significance you gave the house lie.

 

[Littleone48]

Right, which would have been AFTER Burdick questioned CA, as I said.

And?



If you take this guy's word for it, they knew something (after CA and Stenger testified). But, you haven't heard the prosecution's side of the story.

Here's another person who has acquitted KC with no qualms, but yet is sure that someone else is guilty of something based on scant evidence.

IIRC the Pro's used the "84" times in their closing several times. We cannot say that they didn't know then.

 

[gngr~snap]

Exactly!

Whatever the verdict......what's done is done.
But I will ALWAYS believe that Murder was on her mind but not of Caylee at that time.... but the murder of her parents.

There is NO way a 22 year old petite girl needs to research "neck breaking" "hand combat" and even "shovel" to kill a 2 yr. old baby.
Adults? Oh heck yea.
But IMO, back when these searches started, the plan was there but the timing just didn't present itself for Casey to get the job done the way she wanted....or the way she wanted the job to 'appear' when it was done. ala; intruder, burglary, druggys looking for meds/money.
It was all in the timing for Casey so that the deaths could look just right.

That or afraid daddy would have someone come after the family
for his internet scams. never hurts a young woman to prepare herself if there is ever a need.
I don't think she was planning to murder them.
FCA lies. She was stringing Amy along.


mayyybee she was gonna turn GA for abusing Caylee and say her mom was too and they'd both go to jail? and caylee turned up "missing"
who knows what she was thinking!!!!
chloroform IMO was tied to earlier searches that GA did.
on adult sites. moo

 

[WillChgo]

The article is misleading? He's being disingenuous? Talk about sitting on your fingers....

You can disagree with my assessment but your response to my post is not respectful.

I still stand by my claim.

The NYTimes article is misleading because it fails to state how the problems with Mr. Brardley's software was a big win for the defense, probably the biggest one, in disparaging the prosecution['s forensic witnesses. If one reads the article without knowing what actually happened during the case, it makes it sound that only now we know that the evidence from the software was questionable.

I believe that Mr. Bradley is being disingenuous as he is not owning up to his own software's contribution to the mistake and how the mistake helped the defense, when they found the discrepancy in the software. He is now in CYA mode and defending his software by attacking the prosecution.

Searching for "how to make chloroform" once is evidence for the prosecution. The software error most likely made jurors deny all the evidence.

Fine if you disagree with me, but do so by arguments not by denigrating statements.

 

[MarthaM]

I see "neck breaking" ,"how to make chloroform "and" how to kill with household products" ,combined with that same person telling a friend she would soon have the house to herself, as someone probably planning to kill,especially since her daughter ended up dead and thrown away like trash.

I don't recall any mention of Casey playing video games,so I wondered what significance you gave the house lie.

None whatsoever.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Sad to say but I think this happens in many cases especially high profile cases. Let's fact it, for the DT and the PT it's a chance of a lifetime. We have the media, we have face time on the TV and that does not happen to many attorney's in their lifetime. Both want a win, both want to go down in history. Then throw in the politics and we have a very corrupt justice system.

I have not believed in our justice system for a long time. I have seen and heard too much to not think that's it a big game to most. I have been disappointed by many Prosecution Attorney's that hop the fence to defend the same scum of the earth that for years they said day after day in court should not be allowed to walk the streets. Peter Odom is one of them. I worked with him on a case and was very surprised that he now represents the same scum that he tried to convict. I always thought he had a passion to protect us from them. Now he finds ways to get them off.

I have to admit I did not like the way JA acted during this trial. I thought many of his antics were out of line and unprofessional. However I did respect him because he always fought for the public. Working for the Pro's is never a high paying job. However that respect was lost when he retired the next day and proceeded to go on TV and IMO probably was paid a good sum to do that. Was it planned? I dunno but this appears to be the way all high profile cases end for both sides.

I am pretty sure they did do something wrong however I think discussing it, not excusing it and making some changes would help much more than sanctions. IMO most do it but do not get caught. I cringe on the amount of innocent people in prison because of situations like this.

OK off my soap-box

What do you think they did wrong?

 

[Wendy101]

Not trying to get anyone upset here, but this is what happend to me.

I watched all the Talking Heads and thought this trail was going to be a slam dunk. Guilty as charged.

I settled into my easy chair, with a bag of bon-bons and here we go, just for the heck of it, I was going to watch. To make a long story short, when the procecution rested, I couldn't tell if I had eaten too many bon-bon's or if my stomach had a quezzy feeling because I felt like the procecution should have had more. I just told myself it would be OK because the defense wasn't very smart and didn't have the dream team, according to the talking heads. After the defense rested, the quizzy feeling was still there but much worse. Again the talking heads had told me over and over what a BOZO JB was and everyday they would say the procecution won the day. Very few days did they say the defense won the day. By this time I told myself that this wasn't a 1st degree murder case. I'm not a lawyer, just an everyday gal, but I have to say I had too many questions and didn't feel good at all. On verdit day my quizzy stomach was proven not to have been eating too many bon-bons. I wish I knew what happend, but I don't. I have heard so many theory's that my head spins sometime. You have to base the verdict on what was presented, not by what the talking heads said. Even though I don't feel Caylee got her justice, I do believe the jury did their best and got the verdict right with the evidence they were given. The Defence team might not have been the dream team, but during the whole trial when I heard the name Bozo, and other things I had a bad feeling because I thought they did a good job. I did learn something from all of this and that is my gut feeling was right, and Talking Heads aren't always right. These people are trying to get ratings and will say anything and everything to get you to watch them. Even today I wish I knew the whole story, and I wish I could ask all the questions I have and get an answer. The jury has spoken and I believe they did what they had to do. Alot of thing said on the web isn't evidence to inject the needle.

I too, didn't really follow this case until the trial started... infact.. here in this forum there is a thread called we thr Jury... there was a poll.. I convicted her of one count of lying...now that I understnad (from the trial) why there was 4... I agree with that...

I have to say that Baez held my attention from his statement regarding Geroge "have her dad's penis in her mouth in the morning and had to go to school as if nothing happened" .. I was literally stunned... the language used in the court room.... Beaz, IMO used his play on emotion card there... guess I fell for it cause I listened to every single word after that...
I am guilty of enjoying theatrics in the court room, and Baez did a good job at that..
Jeff & Linda were on the ball, but very boring to listen to...

 

[pcrum12]

How do you or anyone else know except for RK and Officer Cain if they were in the exact location of Caylee's body ? RK said he saw something that looked like a skull, not an actual skull ... I've heard reports that they were 75' or more from where Caylee was actually found.



Whether it was one search for chloroform or 84, FCA searched for 'how to make chloroform" on the Anthony home computer and deleted the search. I also believe there were high levels of chloroform in the trunk. Just b/c no chloroform was found in the home, doesn't mean that FCA didn't make it and either discard it before 7/15 or when she was out on bail. People forget that before Caylee disappeared, FCA was lying about a job, stealing money from everyone she could (including her own grandparents), and sleeping around. A good Mom (as everyone says she was) would have called 911 in the case of an accident. And if GA committed the murder (0% chance), do you think FCA would have given up 3 years of partying to sit in the OC jail ?

Too many people drank the FCA Kool Aid ...

well I happen to NOT believe the chloroform in the trunk theory. Lying, stealing, sleeping around doesn't equal murder. And yes, I believe she would sit in jail for 3 yrs under the circumstances. However, I really don't think she was this big time Party Loser the MEDIA painted her to be. All JMOO

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

IIRC the Pro's used the "84" times in their closing several times.

No, you're wrong. Feel free to provide video or a transcript to show it.

We cannot say that they didn't know then.

Actually, we can say everyone knew about the discrepancy then, because first of all, Stenger testified about it in court.

Do you know that the defense didn't know about Bradley's correspondence when the prosecution knew about it?

 

[SilkySifaka]

I've been rethinking mine since day one. I still say it was not proven what happened to Caylee, and I don't think we will ever know. Very sad.

The jury did the right thing in my mind. I kept waiting and waiting, and waiting. Nothing from prosecution convinced me. the ONE THING NAGGING ME IS THE 31 days. (Sorry can't get the red to go off.) LOL.

For me that says casey is likely guilty as sin. I still think the jury did the right thing and the PT did not prove the case BARD.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Not trying to get anyone upset here, but this is what happend to me.

I watched all the Talking Heads and thought this trail was going to be a slam dunk. Guilty as charged.

I settled into my easy chair, with a bag of bon-bons and here we go, just for the heck of it, I was going to watch. To make a long story short, when the procecution rested, I couldn't tell if I had eaten too many bon-bon's or if my stomach had a quezzy feeling because I felt like the procecution should have had more. I just told myself it would be OK because the defense wasn't very smart and didn't have the dream team, according to the talking heads. After the defense rested, the quizzy feeling was still there but much worse. Again the talking heads had told me over and over what a BOZO JB was and everyday they would say the procecution won the day. Very few days did they say the defense won the day. By this time I told myself that this wasn't a 1st degree murder case. I'm not a lawyer, just an everyday gal, but I have to say I had too many questions and didn't feel good at all. On verdit day my quizzy stomach was proven not to have been eating too many bon-bons. I wish I knew what happend, but I don't. I have heard so many theory's that my head spins sometime. You have to base the verdict on what was presented, not by what the talking heads said. Even though I don't feel Caylee got her justice, I do believe the jury did their best and got the verdict right with the evidence they were given. The Defence team might not have been the dream team, but during the whole trial when I heard the name Bozo, and other things I had a bad feeling because I thought they did a good job. I did learn something from all of this and that is my gut feeling was right, and Talking Heads aren't always right. These people are trying to get ratings and will say anything and everything to get you to watch them. Even today I wish I knew the whole story, and I wish I could ask all the questions I have and get an answer. The jury has spoken and I believe they did what they had to do. Alot of thing said on the web isn't evidence to inject the needle.

So you don't believe the jury broke the rules? Even after what two of them have admitted to on tv?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

What rules did the jury break?

 

[Nixie]

I don't agree with the jurors verdict, but I want to play devils advocate for a minute because I don't think the jurors are necessary just going on evidence. Personal experiences in life can make you blow off others actions. My husband thinks Casey is innocent. He lost both of his parents within 6 months of each other and he actually found his mom when she died of a heart attack. When he found her the first person he called was me and he told me she was dead. I asked him if he called 911 and he told me there was nothing they could do. he was hysterical and not thinking like he normally would. I told him I was on my way ( his mom lived 2 houses down) and on the way I called 911. She had died the night before and when I seen her I knew my husband meant that they wouldn't be able to medically help her, but he feels stupid now his first call was to me not 911. At the time he just was in shock. After they buried his mom his sister started to drink heavily and her and my husband both were not themselves. They lost both of their parents and they both were very lost for awhile.

I am not trying to make excuses for Casey all I am trying to do is put out another perspective. Everyone says she didn't act like a good mother should and I agree, but I have also seen people change and grieve in odd ways. My husbands sister is around Casey's age and acted a lot like her after her parents died. She is now back in school and regrets the things she did, but she was like a totally different person for over a year. My husband thinks Casey's partying shows she was trying to escape her emotions. He also thinks people can paint a smile on their face, but they may not be how they feel. He believes the accident theory based on his experiences and says their is no evidence of a crime and he would have said not guilty also. He thinks she got scared and confused and didn't know what to do so she lied. My husband is a smart man and everytime I read someone write something negative about the jurors, knowing he feels the same way, makes me a little upset. It isn't fair to say someone is ignorant or incapable because they think differently/ have different opinions then others. People should respect differences and treat others kindly because you never know anyones situation until you are in it.

 

[pcrum12]

It'd be a lot easier if those who agree with the verdict were more respectful and less venomous to those who don't agree with the verdict. All I've seen here lately is venom and malice towards anyone who doesn't believe the state was corrupt, the defense was perfect, and the right verdict was rendered. There should be intelligent conversation here, not two sides fighting each other. We should just agree to disagree, yet I find myself like others needing to defend what I believe instead.

You should read this entired thread. Then you will see that those that agree with the verdict have tried to "help me understand" for those that do not and have constantly been insulted throughout. Not directing this at you, it's just a fact that alot of us that have posted our reasons have been pounced upon religiously to the point that the thread was not at all constructive. JMO

 

[pcrum12]

And to piggyback on your comments Aedrys, clearly there is a no understanding of what a Frye hearing is - and what levels of acceptance evidence has to pass to even get introduced into a trial.

The Frye hearing in Florida: an attempt to exclude scientific evidence. State Supreme Courts require a minimum threshold of reliability and acceptance in the scientific community for all medical and similar evidence to be admitted at trial. In Florida and some other states, the courts adhere to what is known as the Frye standard, whereas in most states and in Federal Courts, it is the so-called Daubert standard. The jurisdiction of the present case is Hillsborough County (Tampa), Florida. Forensic pathologists seldom, if ever, are requested to participate in such hearings, unlike their toxicological and basic science colleagues who are more involved in research methodology and technical procedures. The burden is on the proponent of the evidence to prove the general acceptance of both the underlying scientific principle of the test and procedures used to apply that principle to the facts of the case at hand. The trial judge has the sole discretion to determine this question and general acceptance must be established by a preponderance of the evidence. The authors describe in detail a hearing in a case in which they were all involved. One author (WQS) had researched and documented the original scientific methodology in the literature. The situation involved a car and tractor trailer crash with the two occupants of the car dying of multiple trauma, whereas the truck driver was not injured. Autopsy of the auto driver revealed multiple injuries with exsanguination, and only vitreous humor and liver tissue, but not blood, were tested for ethyl alcohol. The estate of the driver of the automobile brought suit against the owner of the trucking company for wrongful death. The plaintiff requested a Frye hearing to question the reliability of testing other body specimens to translate to probable blood alcohol level. The testimony, submitted documents, and eventual decision by the judge are discussed.

And, with all due respect, I watched THEM ALL in this case. Some of us really are not as stupid as your post suggest. And, I think that whether anything is accepted into trial is solely up to the judges discretion and I assure you that they all don't think alike.