For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

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I guess if it was me, I'd be ranting and raving from day 1 that they were telling me what to say and do, I wouldn't wait 10 years to do so~~but that's just me. I would have every reporter from GB at my house~~and with the high profile of the case~~they would have ate that up! If it was my kid in jail like that~~you better believe I'd be making a terrible scene~~especially after knowing they set my brother up~~I'd also be moving to a different county~~~LOL. That's what makes me skeptical.

right! And I think that is how I feel too.... and if I had known the cops were talking to my kid, I'm not going to patiently wait outside the room!!!! I'm not sure I can look at her motives, thoughts, parenting and not be critical at this point lol Even if they had something on her or ST or BoD, or assured her that BD wouldn't get convicted.... the moment he did, I would have been yelling from the rooftops.
 
I guess if it was me, I'd be ranting and raving from day 1 that they were telling me what to say and do, I wouldn't wait 10 years to do so~~but that's just me. I would have every reporter from GB at my house~~and with the high profile of the case~~they would have ate that up! If it was my kid in jail like that~~you better believe I'd be making a terrible scene~~especially after knowing they set my brother up~~I'd also be moving to a different county~~~LOL. That's what makes me skeptical.

right! And I think that is how I feel too.... and if I had known the cops were talking to my kid, I'm not going to patiently wait outside the room!!!! I'm not sure I can look at her motives, thoughts, parenting and not be critical at this point lol Even if they had something on her or ST or BoD, or assured her that BD wouldn't get convicted.... the moment he did, I would have been yelling from the rooftops.

You have to remember these are people who don't know what the word "inconsistent" means. They will follow the lead of people they feel are smarter than they are, expecting those people know what's best and will do right by them.
 
You have to remember these are people who don't know what the word "inconsistent" means. They will follow the lead of people they feel are smarter than they are, expecting those people know what's best and will do right by them.
Tawny, I agree with what you are saying. These are people who have had a rough life, been judged and disregarded for years. They haven't been educated about their rights or privileges. Therefore, I can't judge them against how I or any other poster on Websleuths would react in a situation. It's apples and oranges, completely different scenarios.
 
right! And I think that is how I feel too.... and if I had known the cops were talking to my kid, I'm not going to patiently wait outside the room!!!! I'm not sure I can look at her motives, thoughts, parenting and not be critical at this point lol Even if they had something on her or ST or BoD, or assured her that BD wouldn't get convicted.... the moment he did, I would have been yelling from the rooftops.
Yes, but remember you are educated and know what your legal rights are. I'm sure you have many resources and support that this family doesn't . This family was scorned and reviled by many, hardly a situation that promotes the ability to be your own (or your child's ) assertive advocate.
 
IDK..... I absolutely agree and usually I can look at it like that (with SA and BD for example), but with Barb I can't. And I'm just being honest lol That's why I tried to be clear that I am feeling a bit biased about her and don't really feel as sorry for her.

With all of that being said, after I did some more reading the other night..... I get it, even if she knew this 10 years ago, she may not have known what to do with that information.... what was she going to do? go to the cops? in Manitowoc? the DA's that put her brother and son in prison and who you think framed them or coerced them? There is a bigger picture here, and I hope that both cases are able to shed some light on it all.

So I get it ;-) I was just being honest about my own thoughts/bias ..... which absolutely doesn't make me right LOL
 
IDK..... I absolutely agree and usually I can look at it like that (with SA and BD for example), but with Barb I can't. And I'm just being honest lol That's why I tried to be clear that I am feeling a bit biased about her and don't really feel as sorry for her.

With all of that being said, after I did some more reading the other night..... I get it, even if she knew this 10 years ago, she may not have known what to do with that information.... what was she going to do? go to the cops? in Manitowoc? the DA's that put her brother and son in prison and who you think framed them or coerced them? There is a bigger picture here, and I hope that both cases are able to shed some light on it all.

So I get it ;-) I was just being honest about my own thoughts/bias ..... which absolutely doesn't make me right LOL
Missy, thanks for your reply and being so open! I could be totally wrong as well, and have not done anywhere near the amount of research that you have. I don't have a strong opinion about Barb one way or the other at this point.
 
IDK..... I absolutely agree and usually I can look at it like that (with SA and BD for example), but with Barb I can't. And I'm just being honest lol That's why I tried to be clear that I am feeling a bit biased about her and don't really feel as sorry for her.

With all of that being said, after I did some more reading the other night..... I get it, even if she knew this 10 years ago, she may not have known what to do with that information.... what was she going to do? go to the cops? in Manitowoc? the DA's that put her brother and son in prison and who you think framed them or coerced them? There is a bigger picture here, and I hope that both cases are able to shed some light on it all.

So I get it ;-) I was just being honest about my own thoughts/bias ..... which absolutely doesn't make me right LOL

That is basically where I am at with Barb too, missy, in regards to bias. I just didn't think she came across as having Brendan's best interest AT ALL as a mother should have, throughout MaM. I realize that she is not that educated and probably was overwhelmed with everything going on, but I question why her momma bear instincts did not kick in at any point. Even if I did not have the legal right, if my child was facing what Brendan was, as missy said, I would have been screaming from the rooftops about not letting him be questioned without me present. I also did not get the feeling that Barb was all that invested in Brendan, when I was listening to Steven's phone calls from jail to his family. Considering how bad Kachinsky was (telling the public he's guilty before even meeting Brendan) even an uneducated person could recognize that kid needed legal assistance, let alone being his mother. I can see what everyone is saying about not judging her because of her education and class standing, etc...but I just wanted to put my :twocents: in that I have the same bias in regards to Barb I can't get past. :)
 
That is basically where I am at with Barb too, missy, in regards to bias. I just didn't think she came across as having Brendan's best interest AT ALL as a mother should have, throughout MaM. I realize that she is not that educated and probably was overwhelmed with everything going on, but I question why her momma bear instincts did not kick in at any point. Even if I did not have the legal right, if my child was facing what Brendan was, as missy said, I would have been screaming from the rooftops about not letting him be questioned without me present. I also did not get the feeling that Barb was all that invested in Brendan, when I was listening to Steven's phone calls from jail to his family. Considering how bad Kachinsky was (telling the public he's guilty before even meeting Brendan) even an uneducated person could recognize that kid needed legal assistance, let alone being his mother. I can see what everyone is saying about not judging her because of her education and class standing, etc...but I just wanted to put my :twocents: in that I have the same bias in regards to Barb I can't get past. :)

Hi all!

Sorry, I haven't been feeling well, so I haven't been posting much!

In any event~~~knowing the area a bit, most people in those parts generally have a distrust of LE and DNR. With that being said, I'm with Missy~~I'd be shouting off the rooftops~~especially if my brother already had the media's ear. I don't think she knew what to think back then~~I think at a certain point she did in fact believe her brother was guilty. Maybe why she went along and trusted LE, I don't know. BUT~~~I still find it suspicious that after the convictions she didn't go to the media and say...hey..LE was telling me what to say. Again, the media would have eat that up, did some of their own digging to find out if others had the same experiences, etc. So, 10 years later after MaM comes out~~she now says that~~Sorry, but I'm still suspicious.
 
It looks like LE was telling her alot of things back then that are just now coming out now, though. I am including another statement from Barb that came from the family page that someone made a post about. It seems like Barb was listening to them on many aspects of her life, that just doesn't make sense for LE to have a part in. Why are those two LEO's so involved in her life as to tell her it's in her best interest to move her family, and WHY is she listening to them when they were the ones to railroad her son? Sorry you aren't feeling well, BCA, :getwell:

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http://imgur.com/C9ut41s


 
It looks like LE was telling her alot of things back then that are just now coming out now, though. I am including another statement from Barb that came from the family page that someone made a post about. It seems like Barb was listening to them on many aspects of her life, that just doesn't make sense for LE to have a part in. Why are those two LEO's so involved in her life as to tell her it's in her best interest to move her family, and WHY is she listening to them when they were the ones to railroad her son? Sorry you aren't feeling well, BCA, :getwell:

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http://imgur.com/C9ut41s



Awe, thank you Jaddie!

Thanks for posting that too! Jobs are not plentiful in that neck of the woods, so to have 2 house payments~~I can definitely see why a B/K was necessary. I just don't understand why she wasn't screaming from the rooftops! I would be besides myself.
 
Thanks for posting the links Jaiddie! I was feeling a little lost when I got back from the long weekend, but found my way after a day or so lol if you need a nudge to help you find the new sub over at the other site, let me know :)

It's great to see a visual of how far the bus driver actually was or said she was when she saw TH. I think the majority after seeing the distance just didn't believe she could see that far, it's good to know the majority was probably right LOL It's terrible to know that they used her "statement" against BD in his first interview. 'ohhh Brendan, but you must have seen her because the bus driver said she saw her and all the kids on the bus said they saw her'
 
Thanks for posting the links Jaiddie! I was feeling a little lost when I got back from the long weekend, but found my way after a day or so lol if you need a nudge to help you find the new sub over at the other site, let me know :)

It's great to see a visual of how far the bus driver actually was or said she was when she saw TH. I think the majority after seeing the distance just didn't believe she could see that far, it's good to know the majority was probably right LOL It's terrible to know that they used her "statement" against BD in his first interview. 'ohhh Brendan, but you must have seen her because the bus driver said she saw her and all the kids on the bus said they saw her'

Thank you, missy, I found it already though cuz I'm a digger that way, LOL ;) (btw I love the name of the new sub and find it very fitting, hehe) And I agree, as far as the distance goes....that is ridiculous!! I do not understand why neither SA nor BD atty's did that same experiment to show the jury just how ridiculous that eye witness account was. Grrrr!

Also, I wanted to add that this weekend I had a very acute feeling of deja vu in regards to what happened over there at that MaM site...it seemed to have went down just as maliciously and methodically as the dismantling of the family FB page back in Feb that had 60,000+ members. Now the same was done to a very popular sub of 60,000+ members in, again, a matter of days. Seems like some are getting very nervous now that the date for KZ's brief is drawing ever closer, JMO.

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http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2016/05/26/avery-evidence-conflict-interest/84487252/

'Was Avery Evidence a Conflict of Interest?'

My favorite reporter is baaack...and so far this is my favorite article from him because it deals with the number one piece of evidence that I believe is the most important and obvious in this case.The bones. And the glaring problems surrounding, not only the discovery of said bones, but the shocking events of who was involved in the recovery and how it went down. This has been, for me, the most compelling reason why I have not been able to drag myself away from this rabbit hole, because that was once a human being that was so callously treated after her demise, and I am not talking about from the murderer in this instance, but from LE. The very people who were in charge of investigating what happened to her, ended up treating her cremains as if they were just some animal that needed moved off the side of the road (even using a backhoe, at one point). Pets are treated with more respect than that poor girl was. :tears:Most importantly, FINALLY, there is someone in the media who is willing to bring Teresa Halbach back into the spotlight, to show just how much of a victim she ended up being. Not only was she a victim of the murderer, but then she ended up as victim a second, even more tragic, time when LE chose to use her as a pawn in their game to put Steven Avery back behind bars. I cannot understand how the Halbach family are still so silent. Even if they have not watched the documentary, there has been enough in the media to show that their loved one's best interest were not served in those events back in 2005 from the people who were in charge. I would be foaming at the mouth with questions by now. :pullhair: JMHO.

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LOL Jaiddie I was just coming to post the article!!!

Total respect for John Ferak. He is the only reporter that is taking the time to go through the evidence and testimony and laying it all out. He even has the sign in times of the officers! Good for him and I hope the locals actually read the article.
 
LOL Jaiddie I was just coming to post the article!!!

Total respect for John Ferak. He is the only reporter that is taking the time to go through the evidence and testimony and laying it all out. He even has the sign in times of the officers! Good for him and I hope the locals actually read the article.

I noticed, from the comments on that article, there seems to be only, like, two pro-guilty locals posting. And all they can keep saying is "polygraph SA", LOL. The rest of the comments seem to get the fact that there needs to be some major change brought about. :)
 
Its been very quiet at the sites that I do research on (as well as a new formatting that seems to be stifling info over there now :(), however, I did find a couple of articles from Facebook groups that show that people who believe in SA and BD innocence are not giving up. Linked below.

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...ven-avery-supporter-m-obsessed-case/84769352/

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/sta...cle_67d8c093-71d1-5dfd-b4da-41c9ad71f0b0.html

Lol... I think Kratz somehow got appointed as a moderator.
 
http://www.nbc26.com/news/steven-avery-files-for-extension-in-appeal-deadline

"With Attorney [Kathleen] Zellner’s public comments, at least on social media, that she already has in her possession evidence of the real killer, I’m really looking forward to her presenting that information," Kratz said during a telephone interview with TODAY'S TM4 Thursday.

So KK is waiting like the rest of us for KZ to reveal the "real killer"? LOL
 
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