For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[Karinna]

So another thing I found interesting on POI's phone records. is after he gets 22 calls from LE the first outgoing call is made with a prepaid phone card? On His Cell phone? Cell services included Nationwide Long distance. So Why use the prepaid calling card? Weird to me.

BBM, Would be interesting to know what those 22 calls were all about? Some have alluded to them being about organising the searches initially after TH was reported missing? But i'm not so sure about that being the case.

 

[dexter75]

Interesting. What explanation did the prosecutors give as to how SA's blood came to be in the passenger seat? It doesn't make any sense, IMO.

I don't remember exactly.
I DO remember that the blood POSSIBLY

Dripped through/around a rag that S.A. might have had his hand wrapped with.

Leaked/Dripped through the gloves S.A. was wearing that day. ( the gloves that were suggested as being the reason for NO PRINTS of his left in or around the same vehicle )

* shrugs shoulders *
That's all I got.😊

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[IDK]

I don't remember exactly.
I DO remember that the blood POSSIBLY

Dripped through/around a rag that S.A. might have had his hand wrapped with.

Leaked/Dripped through the gloves S.A. was wearing that day. ( the gloves that were suggested as being the reason for NO PRINTS of his left in or around the same vehicle )

* shrugs shoulders *
That's all I got.

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Thanks Dexter! It just boggles my mind that anyone believes that blood came to be there naturally.

 

[dexter75]

Thanks Dexter! It just boggles my mind that anyone believes that blood came to be there naturally.

Anytime!

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[MysticJynx]

Hope this is ok to share here. It is just a Document on Google drive docs that i put together of all my News Clippings from Newspapers.com.

All Halbach News pre-MaM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P_PmEGBfwVtdQqmW-aZztyWeTTv4Fak783zVNq55aao/edit?usp=sharing

This one is Avery's News Pre Halbach. Most from 85 PB case. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gA6SJl2bgpPgyDCt0KXsyCYSVbtfEz5BGc2_3iaf5iU/edit?usp=sharing

And this one is KK's Sexting scandal news. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QKoocmaMbfjwccFkYMv5bjijJdFLUp81CsHr0nuHG4s/edit?usp=sharing

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Hope this is ok to share here. It is just a Document on Google drive docs that i put together of all my News Clippings from Newspapers.com.

All Halbach News pre-MaM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P_PmEGBfwVtdQqmW-aZztyWeTTv4Fak783zVNq55aao/edit?usp=sharing

This one is Avery's News Pre Halbach. Most from 85 PB case. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gA6SJl2bgpPgyDCt0KXsyCYSVbtfEz5BGc2_3iaf5iU/edit?usp=sharing

And this one is KK's Sexting scandal news. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QKoocmaMbfjwccFkYMv5bjijJdFLUp81CsHr0nuHG4s/edit?usp=sharing

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Thanks MysticJynx!!!

...and WELCOME BACK, we've missed you. :happydance:

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I've been hearing rumors online that something might be happening on Tuesday. Take it with a grain of salt, again it is online rumor.

 

[Jaiddie]

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n.../my-return-visit-avery-salvage-yard/99820554/


'My Return Visit to Avery Salvage Yard.'

My favorite reporter returns to the "scene of the crime" after a almost a year has passed since his first visit.

 

[Karinna]

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n.../my-return-visit-avery-salvage-yard/99820554/


'My Return Visit to Avery Salvage Yard.'

My favorite reporter returns to the "scene of the crime" after a almost a year has passed since his first visit.

I agree, he writes some good articles. Thanks for posting.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n.../my-return-visit-avery-salvage-yard/99820554/


'My Return Visit to Avery Salvage Yard.'

My favorite reporter returns to the "scene of the crime" after a almost a year has passed since his first visit.

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Hi Jaddie!!! :seeya:
Great to get a new perspective about the surrounding properties! Thanks for posting it.

 

[missy1974]

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n.../my-return-visit-avery-salvage-yard/99820554/


'My Return Visit to Avery Salvage Yard.'

My favorite reporter returns to the "scene of the crime" after a almost a year has passed since his first visit.

Thanks for posting Jaiddie! Lots of interesting tidbits... like, "sneaking in through the back of the quarries would be pretty easy", "From Avery's yard, you can easily see the passing vehicles along 147", "at the Kuss Road cul-de-sac, there is a gravel access road for trucks needing to enter Joshua Radandt's quarries and this gravel road also leads into the Radandt deer camp property", AND "Those who are familiar with the case believe Zellner may file her much anticipated post-conviction motion in late April."


Ferak has also posted pictures on twitter of the property on Zander Rd, for anyone interested... and I know some of you are lol

https://twitter.com/johnferak

 

[Joe Friday]

Thankyou for posting this. Yes, i do recall seeing this letter before, and it is weird IMO. Is a smelter likely to produce the very high temps. required to cremate someone? It could i think.
(quote)

Metal extraction process in which an ore (usually mixed with purifying and/or heat generating substances such as limestone and coke) is heated at high temperature in an enclosed furnace. After a reducing reaction (see reduction), lighter ore-components (impurities called slag or tailing) rise to the top and float on the molten metal. Smelting is opposite of roasting which involves an oxidizing reaction (see oxidation).

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/smelting.html

Below is a video of an aluminum smelter similar to the one the Avery's used. Yes an aluminum smelter would produce the very high temperatures required to cremate a body.

From the pictures of Avery's smelter I seen, it is apparent to me that the smelter had not been used in a very long time. If the smelter had been used to incinerate Theresa, there would not have been any rust on the outside of the smelter or on the steel pieces inside when those pictures were taken. Link to photo of Avery smelter: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-493-smelter-side.jpg

[video=youtube;pEzZ2Bp-qHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzZ2Bp-qHo[/video]

 

[Karinna]

Below is a video of an aluminum smelter similar to the one the Avery's used. Yes an aluminum smelter would produce the very high temperatures required to cremate a body.

From the pictures of Avery's smelter I seen, it is apparent to me that the smelter had not been used in a very long time. If the smelter had been used to incinerate Theresa, there would not have been any rust on the outside of the smelter or on the steel pieces inside when those pictures were taken. Link to photo of Avery smelter: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-493-smelter-side.jpg

[video=youtube;pEzZ2Bp-qHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzZ2Bp-qHo[/video]

Thanks for posting up the info. So if the smelter hadn't been used in a long time, then i guess it didn't have anything to do with TH. That makes the note about it seem very odd then.

 

[proudfootz]

There may well be other aluminum smelters in the area.

For instance, ST worked at a foundry:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...1/Scott-Tadych-Interview-Report-2005Nov10.pdf

Apparently the head of the Manitowoc Sheriff's department is President of a rival auto salvage yard. I have not been able to verify that, like the Avery yard, they have a smelter.

http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/l...n-recalls-career-highlights-changes/11944007/

http://cleveland-auto-sales-salvage...ss/us/c/18826455-cleveland-auto-sales-salvage

While I am persuaded by the preponderance of the evidence that Teresa was not burned on October 31st at any of the sites on the Avery property, I don't have a firm conviction about where the actual cremation took place.

JMO

 

[dexter75]

Thanks for posting up the info. So if the smelter hadn't been used in a long time, then i guess it didn't have anything to do with TH. That makes the note about it seem very odd then.

Yes it does...like many " discoveries" in this case & on the Avery property..doesn't make much sense, IMO

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[dexter75]

There may well be other aluminum smelters in the area.

For instance, ST worked at a foundry:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...1/Scott-Tadych-Interview-Report-2005Nov10.pdf

Apparently the head of the Manitowoc Sheriff's department is President of a rival auto salvage yard. I have not been able to verify that, like the Avery yard, they have a smelter.

http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/l...n-recalls-career-highlights-changes/11944007/

http://cleveland-auto-sales-salvage...ss/us/c/18826455-cleveland-auto-sales-salvage

While I am persuaded by the preponderance of the evidence that Teresa was not burned on October 31st at any of the sites on the Avery property, I don't have a firm conviction about where the actual cremation took place.

JMO

As far as where, how SAD is it, that this entire process was SO purposefully screwed up that we may never really know the truth?
JMO

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[BigCityAccountant]

There may well be other aluminum smelters in the area.

For instance, ST worked at a foundry:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...1/Scott-Tadych-Interview-Report-2005Nov10.pdf

Apparently the head of the Manitowoc Sheriff's department is President of a rival auto salvage yard. I have not been able to verify that, like the Avery yard, they have a smelter.

http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/l...n-recalls-career-highlights-changes/11944007/

http://cleveland-auto-sales-salvage...ss/us/c/18826455-cleveland-auto-sales-salvage

While I am persuaded by the preponderance of the evidence that Teresa was not burned on October 31st at any of the sites on the Avery property, I don't have a firm conviction about where the actual cremation took place.

JMO

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That is true Proudfootz. When I was a kid, there used to be Avery signs when we traveled down I-43. I don't see them anymore~~but I do see Cleveland Auto Salvage signs now which are not too far from I-43 and Hwy 147.

FYI~~there are many aluminum smelters in WI. My cousin's husband works at one near Sheboygan and like you said ST works/worked at one.

 

[Karinna]

As far as where, how SAD is it, that this entire process was SO purposefully screwed up that we may never really know the truth?
JMO

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That is exactly how it is, and in that scenario no one gets Justice. But hopefully KZ will now change that with her findings. There was also an article i found recently where KZ stated someone whom in her opinion is credible has been talking to her, so i found that interesting. If i can find the article i will post it.

 

[Karinna]

This isn't the exact article i mentioned, but a different one saying about witnesses, and it's dated Sept. 2016
(quote)
Steven Avery's lawyer says 'crucial witnesses' are coming forward in the 'Making a Murderer' case
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/making-a-murderer-lawyer-new-witnesses-2016-9?r=US&IR=T

 

[IDK]

Thanks for posting Jaiddie! Lots of interesting tidbits... like, "sneaking in through the back of the quarries would be pretty easy", "From Avery's yard, you can easily see the passing vehicles along 147", "at the Kuss Road cul-de-sac, there is a gravel access road for trucks needing to enter Joshua Radandt's quarries and this gravel road also leads into the Radandt deer camp property", AND "Those who are familiar with the case believe Zellner may file her much anticipated post-conviction motion in late April."


Ferak has also posted pictures on twitter of the property on Zander Rd, for anyone interested... and I know some of you are lol

https://twitter.com/johnferak

What always gets me is how desolate the area appears. Really ANYTHING could happen out of sight of witnesses. IMO.