Forensic evidence

[Ames]

One more time.

Solace....quit wasting your time. :crazy:

 

[Solace]

Solace....quit wasting your time. :crazy:

I think you might be right.

 

[Ames]

I think you might be right.

LOL...I gave that up a LONG time ago.

 

[UKGuy]

"If it was an accident why all the homicide staging, why not just tell it like it is?"

Because the person who did the staging and the person who made the phone calls aren't the same person.

The accident/homicide staging theory doesn't make sense for a lot of people because they have Patsy running to get John immediately after the head wound. They add John right away because they think Patsy is incompetent and/or because of the fibers from John's shirt found on JonBenet. Patsy knew what she had done and therefore she wears the same clothes the next day. Why didn't John wear the same clothes the next day?

If you stop including Patsy and John working as a team that night things really do make sense.

Albert18,

because they have Patsy running to get John immediately after the head wound.

No not really, more why no phone call for ER, 911 immediately?

Patsy knew what she had done and therefore she wears the same clothes the next day.

What did she do, who knows, maybe all she is guilty of is staging?

Why didn't John wear the same clothes the next day?

He was too busy showering away any remaining forensic evidence, then he appeared downstairs in his underwear, I guess these were clean?

If you stop including Patsy and John working as a team that night things really do make sense.

Do you think either parent was in ignorance of the true nature of JonBenet's death?

 

[Solace]

Albert18,

No not really, more why no phone call for ER, 911 immediately? It was the crack that was heard around the world that is why.


What did she do, who knows, maybe all she is guilty of is staging? Nah. You want it to be John having sex with JonBenet, but it DID NOT HAPPEN.


He was too busy showering away any remaining forensic evidence, then he appeared downstairs in his underwear, I guess these were clean? You will have to expound on that one.


Do you think either parent was in ignorance of the true nature of JonBenet's death?

What?

See above again.

 

[Tober]

What did she do, who knows, maybe all she is guilty of is staging?

Since the forensic evidence indicates that Patsy placed the fake garrote around JonBenet's neck, and this was done while JonBenet was still alive but unconscious, isn't Patsy then responsible for the death of JonBenet?

 

[JMO8778]

Since the forensic evidence indicates that Patsy placed the fake garrote around JonBenet's neck, and this was done while JonBenet was still alive but unconscious, isn't Patsy then responsible for the death of JonBenet?

IMO,JR was the one who did that,I think it much more likely.Not just from the knot that was tied,I think he had the guts to carry out the staging and strangling.I think he 'did what had to be done',in his mind,and I think he just told Patsy to go find some rope and tape,and to break the paintbrush.I think she was right by his side during parts of the staging..and at some point,she screamed.

 

[JMO8778]

Albert18,

No not really, more why no phone call for ER, 911 immediately?


What did she do, who knows, maybe all she is guilty of is staging?


He was too busy showering away any remaining forensic evidence, then he appeared downstairs in his underwear, I guess these were clean?


Do you think either parent was in ignorance of the true nature of JonBenet's death?

why wouldn't they be? I do find it odd he tried to account for his underwear fibers in her room though.

 

[JMO8778]

I can picture John putting the old moldy Santa suit found in the crawlspace....going into JonBenets room....HO HO HO!

umm...don't think so.

I didn't know it was moldy or found in the crawl space..I just can't figure why it was q'd about in the interviews,if it wasn't important.If it was old and moldy and found in a crawl space...why bother to even mention it?

 

[DeeDee249]

I didn't realize the R's phone records had ever been obtained. Why wasn't more made of the fact JR called the Governor the morning his daughter was "kidnapped"? I mean, what innocent parent DOES that kind of thing? I just can't stomach that man.:sick:

 

[Toltec]

I didn't realize the R's phone records had ever been obtained. Why wasn't more made of the fact JR called the Governor the morning his daughter was "kidnapped"? I mean, what innocent parent DOES that kind of thing? I just can't stomach that man.:sick:

Where did you find that fact? The Governer?

I found a couple of statements made by Patsy that raises a red flag

In DOI, Patsy tells Officer French that her daughter had been kidnapped and they were trying to get the money together.

Does that mean John called Rod Westmoreland before calling 911? If so...then the Ramseys were awake earlier than 5:30am.

Burke was near the phone when the call was placed because Patsy tells LE:

I ran upstairs, and I think - I think - I - I can't remember if - I think asked him to check on Burke, one of us checked on Burke, and I remember just seeing him at the phone, trying to - and then I looked down and John came down...and he crouched on the floor...

She remembers seeing Burke at the phone???

 

[DeeDee249]

A mention of that phone call is in Post #487. I hadn't heard that before.

 

[JMO8778]

It was JR that called,and it was more than once that he talked,more than one phone call.It was said to offer condolances,or something along that line,an obvious lie..why would that take so many calls?esp if at least one was bf JB was found??

 

[Solace]

It was JR that called,and it was more than once that he talked,more than one phone call.It was said to offer condolances,or something along that line,an obvious lie..why would that take so many calls?esp if at least one was bf JB was found??

Also, the money just sat there. Never picked it up.

 

[Ames]

It was JR that called,and it was more than once that he talked,more than one phone call.It was said to offer condolances,or something along that line,an obvious lie..why would that take so many calls?esp if at least one was bf JB was found??

And why would he go and get the mail? Why would mail be so important, that you would have to go and get it, and read it when your daughter is missing?

And WHY would someone call to offer condolances...that his daughter had been kidnapped....when I am sure that they knew that the Ramsey's had to keep their phone lines clear, in case the "kidnapper" called. If you had heard that one of your friends had a daughter that was kidnapped, and that there was a ransom note....would you call them right away, when you would be tying up the phone line...or would you wait to call them??? I personally would wait...

 

[Ames]

Also, the money just sat there. Never picked it up.

That's a major red flag there...because IF it had of been a real plotted out kidnapping turned murder....you KNOW that the kidnappers would STILL want the money. I mean, what kidnapper/murderer is going to turn THAT down, or just forget about it?? And if it was a REAL kidnapping, they would have expected the Ramsey's to follow the intructions in their RN, and NOT call the police, because they knew that their daughter would have been beheaded if they DID call anybody. So, the "kidnappers" would have picked up the money, without fear of being caught.

 

[Solace]

That's a major red flag there...because IF it had of been a real plotted out kidnapping turned murder....you KNOW that the kidnappers would STILL want the money. I mean, what kidnapper/murderer is going to turn THAT down, or just forget about it?? And if it was a REAL kidnapping, they would have expected the Ramsey's to follow the intructions in their RN, and NOT call the police, because they knew that their daughter would have been beheaded if they DID call anybody. So, the "kidnappers" would have picked up the money, without fear of being caught.

And if it had been a real kidnapping, John Ramsey would have picked up the money. I have never yet seen one interviewer ask him why he never picked up the money or had someone bring him the money.

 

[Ames]

And if it had been a real kidnapping, John Ramsey would have picked up the money. I have never yet seen one interviewer ask him why he never picked up the money or had someone bring him the money.

OH YEAH, thats right...I was thinking that he had someone drop off the money somewhere, and that the KIDNAPPERS didn't pick it up. I don't know WHERE I got that from, a dream or something, I guess. But, you are right...he never picked it up. Because he knew there wasn't a reason too....guess he thought "there is NO kidnapper, why would I get money and drop it off to an invisible kidnapper?" That money would have just sat there, waiting for the kidnapper to pick it up, and since there was not kidnapper....it would probably still be sitting there today, ten years later.

 

[UKGuy]

Since the forensic evidence indicates that Patsy placed the fake garrote around JonBenet's neck, and this was done while JonBenet was still alive but unconscious, isn't Patsy then responsible for the death of JonBenet?

Tober,

She might be responsible, then again we do not know the sequence to JonBenet's injuries e.g. after applying the fake garrote, someone else may have whacked JonBenet on the head using the flashlight, then there are the lower strangulation markings on her neck which are not circumferential, so did these precede her whack on the head?

Also if you hold Patsy responsible due to the application of the fake garrote, then in addition to the denial of medical assistance it looks like to me that JonBenet was intended to die?


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[Solace]

Tober,

She might be responsible, then again we do not know the sequence to JonBenet's injuries e.g. after applying the fake garrote, someone else may have whacked JonBenet on the head using the flashlight, then there are the lower strangulation markings on her neck which are not circumferential, so did these precede her whack on the head?

Also if you hold Patsy responsible due to the application of the fake garrote, then in addition to the denial of medical assistance it looks like to me that JonBenet was intended to die?


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After she was slammed against that bathtub, yes she was intended to die.