Forensic evidence

[UKGuy]

Globe:

JonBenét New Grand Jury Evidence, Panties Prove Mom Did It! -- say insiders

Underwear Evidence Rips 'Intruder' Claim to Pieces - Only mom would have known where to find the oversize panties placed on Little Beauty's body -- say sources

A damning new "missing link" piece of evidence -- a pair of oversize panties -- has blown the lid off the JonBenét murder case by tying the child's mom Patsy Ramsey to the gruesome crime, sources told GLOBE.

From the beginning, cops knew the 6-year-old pageant princess was wearing underpants six sizes too big and stamped with the word "Wednesday" at the time of her death, say sources.

But it was only after the Boulder, Colo., grand jury recalled a witness and asked about a shopping trip Patsy took to Bloomingdale's in New York with JonBenét that investigators realized the vital significance of the panties.

They discovered that Patsy bought them, say sources, and ONLY she could have known the special place where they were stored in the house.

This blockbuster revelation demolishes claims by the Ramseys that an intruder broke into their million-dollar mansion, strangled JonBenét and hid her body in the basement, where she was discovered on the morning of Dec. 26, 1996, say insiders.

Now the entire case -- and who is charged with the killing -- could hinge on a pair of underwear, say sources. "Perhaps more than any other single piece of evidence, the mystery of the size 12 panties -- which were twice the size JonBenét normally wore -- proves Patsy Ramsey is the murderer," says a source close to the police.

GLOBE learned that the breakthrough in the case came after a witness close to the Ramseys told the grand jury about Patsy's shopping trip to Manhattan with her mom Nedra Paugh and JonBenét in the fall of 1996 -- just months before the murder, say sources.

The grand jury felt what happened on the trip was so important, they sent police to Atlanta to interview Nedra, JonBenét's grandma, even though she had already been questioned three times before.

On the shopping spree, which included a visit to Bloomingdales', Patsy paid $24.99 for a size 12/14 set of "bloomies" panties with the days of the week on them for her niece, a girl older than JonBenét, according to a source. The seven-panty set was identical to one JonBenét had -- only hers were a size 6.

When the gals returned to Boulder from their trip, Patsy was going to send the larger panties to her niece, but JonBenét wanted to keep them, an insider confides.

"JonBenét and her mom were in her room when Patsy pulled out the pack of size 12 panties," says the insider. "An excited JonBenét told her mom, 'Don't send those to Aunt Polly -- I want them, I want them!'

"When Patsy answered, 'But they are much too big for you,' JonBenét said, 'That's OK, Mom, I'll grow into them.' So Patsy opened the packages and put them into a bathroom drawer next to JonBenét's identical set of size 6 panties."

Patsy kept the panties in a drawer in the bathroom -- instead of in the bedroom for convenience sake, says a source, because JonBenét often had to be washed and changed at night due to her frequent bed-wetting.

But the source insists that JonBenét had never worn the larger briefs until the night of her death!

Insiders tell GLOBE the new evidence fills in the missing pieces of the murder scenario for investigators and links Patsy to the crime.

"Police believe the girl's death was triggered by a bed-wetting incident," says a source. "During an argument over an 'accident,' JonBenét was fatally injured when she was either hit on the head or her head slammed against something hard like a bathroom sink after she was shoved.

"The killer panicked. In an attempt to clean up the crime scene, the killer stripped off the urine-soaked sheets from the bed, and JonBenét's underpants and Barbie nightgown and threw them in the nearby washer.

"The bed was remade with fresh sheets and the unconscious child was dressed in white long johns, a white Colorado Avalanche hockey team sweatshirt and clean panties."

But in haste, the killer accidentally grabbed the larger panties which were stored next to JonBenét's size 6 underwear, the sources says.

"Then the barely alive girl was half carried, half dragged down the stairs to the basement, where the killer wrapped the white cord around her neck and strangled her.

"As JonBenét died -- her body did what most bodies do at the moment of death -- it expelled urine, and stained her clothes again."

The evidence points directly at Patsy as the killer, say insiders, because an intruder would not have:

* Known about the special drawer where the underwear was kept.
* Known the location of the stacked washer and dryer in a closet near the child's bedroom.
* Taken time to remake the bed, redress the child and wash the urine-stained sheets and nightclothes.
* Taken time to write a three-page ransom note while the parents were sleeping in the house.

Now that the grand jury has the panty evidence, cops expect them to indict Patsy for the girl's killing when they wrap up their seven-month probe in the coming weeks, say sources.

"Patsy Ramsey bought both sizes of underwear and put them in JonBenét's drawer," says a source. "She knew right where to look in a panic situation.

"Those panties may be the very thing that puts Patsy in jail for the rest of her life."

So thats a pack of size-12's and a pack of size-6's.


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[Eagle1]

Eagle 1 I'd like to see a link on the panties please if you have it . This is the first time I have ever heard they had the smaller sized panties in their possession. This would be I think beyond monumental if they were to have those and not have ever said anything. I am not always right. But I have honestly never heard that.

I don't personally have a link, coloradocares, but others have posted lists since you asked, so I hope the question is answered. I wasn't absolutely positive myself that the size 6 panties are in police custody.

And the Globe article, lol, we've known all along about PR's buying the larger panties for a neice but JonBenet wanted to keep them.

We all know ANYBODY could have found the larger panties just as easily as they could find smaller ones, so obviously. And PR would have known they were still way too large, but a perp might not, especially a man.

 

[Ames]

I don't personally have a link, coloradocares, but others have posted lists since you asked, so I hope the question is answered. I wasn't absolutely positive myself that the size 6 panties are in police custody.

And the Globe article, lol, we've known all along about PR's buying the larger panties for a neice but JonBenet wanted to keep them.

We all know ANYBODY could have found the larger panties just as easily as they could find smaller ones, so obviously. And PR would have known they were still way too large, but a perp might not, especially a man.

But, her panties were kept in the bathroom drawer, not in her bedroom drawers, right? If thats the case, how would a perp know to look THERE?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

If they were even there in the first place. Why would an intruder bother to redress the child he'd just assaulted and killed or was going to kill? Why would he risk being heard coming back upstairs and rifling for clean undies? Why would we take an unopened package of undies and bother to open them and retrieve the correct day undie from the middle of the pack when there are plenty of loose undies folded and easily avaible to choose from?

I don't think the size 12s were in with the other undies. I think they were somewhere else where Patsy knew where they were, and she or John went and got them to dress JB in because they were brand new and never laundered, free of evidence, and could serve to deflect suspicion from the Rs (people thinking there's no way a parent would have put such huge undies on their kid.)

 

[JMO8778]

If they were even there in the first place. Why would an intruder bother to redress the child he'd just assaulted and killed or was going to kill? Why would he risk being heard coming back upstairs and rifling for clean undies? Why would we take an unopened package of undies and bother to open them and retrieve the correct day undie from the middle of the pack when there are plenty of loose undies folded and easily avaible to choose from?

I don't think the size 12s were in with the other undies. I think they were somewhere else where Patsy knew where they were, and she or John went and got them to dress JB in because they were brand new and never laundered, free of evidence, and could serve to deflect suspicion from the Rs (people thinking there's no way a parent would have put such huge undies on their kid.)

Wasn't it said somewhere the size 12's were unwrapped from a box in the basement(that only PR knew was there?).I think it's been speculated that the partially wrapped gifts were actually partially unwrapped gifts?And that they were wrapped to give to PR's neice? I noticed in the PMPT movie (which LS said they recreated as closely as possible)that there were some packages in the WC.
I suspect they were chosen b/c they said Wed. on them and were new.

 

[JMO8778]

SInce JR's wasn't q'd about his shirt having blood on it..what else,per the evidence list,could have been used to wipe her off?Anything likely on the list?

 

[JMO8778]

From the evidence list,are they saying she was beaten with 2 bricks,golf clubs,a baseball bat and a flashlight?I don't mean to get off track,I'm just not sure if that means they could be possible weapons,or were used for sure.

 

[coloradokares]

I don't personally have a link, coloradocares, but others have posted lists since you asked, so I hope the question is answered. I wasn't absolutely positive myself that the size 6 panties are in police custody.

And the Globe article, lol, we've known all along about PR's buying the larger panties for a neice but JonBenet wanted to keep them.

We all know ANYBODY could have found the larger panties just as easily as they could find smaller ones, so obviously. And PR would have known they were still way too large, but a perp might not, especially a man.

Ok I see that there were links but the ones that were taken into evidence were not the ones she had been wearing that night so that was our misunderstanding. I thought you meant they had the pair of size 6's that she had been wearing that night as evidence. That was what I needed clarified.

We don't know as fact that JonBenet wanted to keep the larger ones. We know only what Patsy told LE regarding them. So that is not necessarily fact. Patsy unfortunately has inconsistencies and some memory issues that would need clarification before I'd take her statement regarding the size 12 panites as a fact.

Yes anybody could have found the larger panties if they were there and looking specifically for them. A perp or man would realize shortly that these are too big. No secret there they were clown sized large on JonBenet. However is that likely? We don't know. So that an intruder found them from wherever in the house they were and placed them on her after he wiped her down is not a fact. We don't know who did this only that it was done. That she was wiped down appears to be fact. That size 12 panites were placed on her is fact. Who put them on her is yet to be proven. We surmise, most likely correctly that the murderer of JonBenet placed those size 12 panties on her body. It is hoped that one day you and I will both know who that was. That justice will be served.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Yes, JMO. The first place I ever heard the theory of the undies possibly having been wrapped and in a box in the basement was here at WS from PagingDrDetect, whom I haven't seen on this board in months. Let me find the post, PDD summed it up real well, and I think the package of size 12s in the basement instead of in JB's drawer is extremely plausible. It would explain why the night she was killed was the only time she was ever dressed in a pair of those undies. IMO, if they had kept them instead of sending them to Jenny because JB wanted them so bad, she'd have been wearing them the same day her mother said she could keep them.

Wow, this is a long post - I'm gonna quote it in another post due to size.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Okay, here is PDD's post defining the idea that the package of size 12s were in the basement and Patsy knew exactly where to find them. This blew me away, and gave me much to consider. I really think this right on.

Although Jayelles experiment is absolutely marvelous, LE would have been way ahead of us on this. They knew how ridiculously large those panties were, they couldn't find the rest of the large panties in the house, and they found partially opened Christmas presents in the basement, some of which were right in the same room JBR was found in. If you read the interview transcript with Patsy about the underwear very carefully you can tell by some of the questions they ask that they figured all this out themselves already... one of the questions was did Patsy notice when she took off JBR's black pants to get her ready for bed that her panties came off with them.

This just makes me more furious with the DA because BPD must have known all this, yet the DA thwarted them... and now the new DA does. No wonder so many BPD were angry enough to resign.

We don't know if there ever were any size 4/6 bloomies at all... LE isn't saying and neither is Patsy because she conveniently "can't remember" if she bought one package of them for JBR in size 4/6 and another package in size 12/14 for the niece, Jenny, to send to her as a gift. But I believe there WAS a package of 4/6 bloomies that Patsy purchased. In the other thread about these huge panties I said this...

In John Ramsey's 1998 interview with Lou Smit and Mike Kane, Smit says this...

13 LOU SMIT: You notice how the packages seem
14 to be partially opened. Can you explain this?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I can't.

There were presents found in the basement that were apparently meant for Christmas gifts to be exchanged when they went to Michigan and for other people to be sent out before they left. Patsy had stated that she was trying to get together presents to be sent out to other people before they left on their trip and that she did that in the basement. Some of those presents were in the room where JBR was found. Patsy also in her interviews had said that she bought the size 12/14 bloomies as a Christmas gift for her niece, Jenny, and apparently, that was a present to be sent out before they left on their trip... so it stands to reason that the package of the large panties would be in the basement in a package meant to be sent to Jenny.

I always thought it odd that the size 12/14 panties would ever have been put into JBR's panty drawer. Patsy also said that she couldn't remember whether or not she bought a package of the bloomies in size 12/14 for Jenny ONLY or if she ALSO bought a package of 4/6 ones for JBR. I think she did buy both.

The housekeeper remembers seeing a package of the bloomies in JBR's panty drawer, but I think those were the size 4/6 ones meant for JBR, and the size 12/14 package was in the basement in a package ready to be sent to Jenny for Christmas. Patsy was the one who was wrapping the gifts in the basement and would have known that the size 12/14 bloomies were there. That's why I think Smit brought up the fact that one or more of the presents in the basement were partially opened. I think part of the reason to use the size 12/14 panties was because they were there in the basement where the staging took place.

It's important that Patsy not state that there were two packages of bloomies and one of them was in JBR's drawer because an intruder wanting to put a different pair of panties on JBR would not have used panties that came out of a present in the basement... an intruder would have no idea that childrens panties were in a wrapped package in the basement. Only PATSY knew there was childrens panties in a wrapped present in the basement.

Smit doesn't say that those presents were partially wrapped, he says they were partially OPENED. No one puts wrapping paper on a package that isn't already closed up, so these presents weren't just partially wrapped... they were wrapped and then partially unwrapped and partially OPENED to get something out.

I think the reason that Patsy "doesn't remember" whether or not she bought two packages of the panties because if she said she remembered buying one package for JBR and one for her older niece, Jenny, it would be deduced by LE that what the housekeeper saw in the JBR's panty drawer were the size 4/6 panties purchased for JBR and the size 12/14 panties came out of one of those presents in the basement... pointing right at Patsy. Patsy was the only one who knew for certain where those size 12/14 bloomies were, and I think they were in the basement in one of those partially opened presents Smit mentioned.

In another post in that same thread I said that I believed the biggest reason that the 12/14 panties were chosen is because they were pristine... they were in a sealed plastic package with no Ramsey DNA on them. Both Patsy and John were questioned about gloves, so LE must have figured that gloves were worn for the re-dressing as they lack ANY Ramsey DNA (other than JBR herself who was wearing them). They also lack any DNA from ANYONE except for a tiny bit of degraded DNA that probably came from the garment factory that made them (otherwise it wouldn't be so degraded).

Something else I just realized about gloves... there's no point in wearing gloves that aren't also pristine without any Ramsey DNA on them, so using gardening or driving gloves wouldn't be such a good idea. Where would one get a pair of pristine gloves in the house? Think back and recall that it was thought there was a smell in the bathroom of hair coloring chemicals, and Patsy said she thought she had dyed her hair that day. Guess what also comes in a package of hair coloring? PLASTIC GLOVES... nice fresh pristine plastic gloves free of Ramsey DNA. I've colored my own hair for years in my own bathroom, and while the smell lingers for a few hours, it wouldn't be noticed when LE got to the house if Patsy dyed her hair sometime on Christmas Day. It also would be a dead give-away if an open box of hair coloring was found with everything still in it except for the gloves. Therefore, I think the plastic gloves were worn by whoever staged the body and the hair coloring chemicals were dumped down the sink... then the box, the empty chemical bottle and whatever else came out of the hair coloring package had to be hidden or destroyed so no one would notice the empty package and empty bottle of dye in the trash without the dye covered plastic gloves.

I have no problem believing that Patsy bought her niece those bloomies as a Christmas gift because it would make a nice stocking stuffer type gift... she probably bought other things for her niece as well. I can't even count all the panties, socks and nightgowns my aunts used to buy me for Christmas when I was a kid! It just wasn't the ONLY thing they bought to give me... just included as part of whatever else they bought.

I'd be willing to bet that one of the Christmas packages that was taken in the search was partially opened and contained other gifts for Jenny... minus the bloomies.

 

[coloradokares]

Yes, JMO. The first place I ever heard the theory of the undies possibly having been wrapped and in a box in the basement was here at WS from PagingDrDetect, whom I haven't seen on this board in months. Let me find the post, PDD summed it up real well, and I think the package of size 12s in the basement instead of in JB's drawer is extremely plausible. It would explain why the night she was killed was the only time she was ever dressed in a pair of those undies. IMO, if they had kept them instead of sending them to Jenny because JB wanted them so bad, she'd have been wearing them the same day her mother said she could keep them.

Wow, this is a long post - I'm gonna quote it in another post due to size.

I agree with you that the size 12's were ready and accessible. One thing that is only something I tossed around in my mind, is were the size 12's significant in any other way. IE. What if JonBenet did want them...And for expample Patsy said they are to big for you Jonnie B. That became another verbal issue and point of rebellion? Let your mind wander with that for a bit. Not one bit of proof only some speculation there..... was that the significance of the size 12 being on her body. She was granted her wish to wear a pair? Far fetched perhaps? I know....but my mind won't let go of the size 12's when they were so obviously out of place.

 

[UKGuy]

If they were even there in the first place. Why would an intruder bother to redress the child he'd just assaulted and killed or was going to kill? Why would he risk being heard coming back upstairs and rifling for clean undies? Why would we take an unopened package of undies and bother to open them and retrieve the correct day undie from the middle of the pack when there are plenty of loose undies folded and easily avaible to choose from?

I don't think the size 12s were in with the other undies. I think they were somewhere else where Patsy knew where they were, and she or John went and got them to dress JB in because they were brand new and never laundered, free of evidence, and could serve to deflect suspicion from the Rs (people thinking there's no way a parent would have put such huge undies on their kid.)

Nuisanceposter,

There is nothing to prove where the size-12's were stored on that night. They may have been anywhere, in Patsy's bedroom, downstairs in the basement or allegedly in JonBenet's bedroom dresser drawer?

They were not located in the bathroom drawer since there were, was it, 15-pairs taken from there as evidence?

The missing size-12's were handed in years later by the Ramseys.

I think they were somewhere else where Patsy knew where they were, and she or John went and got them to dress JB in because they were brand new and never laundered, free of evidence, and could serve to deflect suspicion from the Rs (people thinking there's no way a parent would have put such huge undies on their kid.)

Obviously no intruder would redress Jonbenet, for what purpose, what would be wrong with the ones she was wearing, if any?

imo the size-12's are like the pineapple, a mistake, that she was redressed in them strongly suggests the motive is staging, maybe Fleet White knows what day of the week underwear JonBenet was wearing, nobody is saying what days of the week underwear was recovered from the Ramsey house, patently the size was irrelevant, what stays consistent is the day of the week, Wednesday?

So someone other than JonBenet's killer also knew what day of the week underwear she was wearing to the White's?

 

[UKGuy]

Okay, here is PDD's post defining the idea that the package of size 12s were in the basement and Patsy knew exactly where to find them. This blew me away, and gave me much to consider. I really think this right on.

Nuisanceposter,

BPD would not need to wonder what LHP saw in the bedroom drawer since they should be in possession of those unopened size-6 underwear, since they did a search for underwear, and retrieved those from the bathroom and elsewhere.

So it is feasible that they were wrapped up down in the basement, this assumption is consistent with all the facts, particularly that Patsy did her gift-wrapping down there.

If this was the case then someone not only removed the remaining size-12's, but also the missing pair of size-6 underwear, or were the used size-6 replaced inside the size-12 package? How else could both be removed jointly?

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[coloradokares]

Nuisanceposter,

BPD would not need to wonder what LHP saw in the bedroom drawer since they should be in possession of those unopened size-6 underwear, since they did a search for underwear, and retrieved those from the bathroom and elsewhere.

So it is feasible that they were wrapped up down in the basement, this assumption is consistent with all the facts, particularly that Patsy did her gift-wrapping down there.

If this was the case then someone not only removed the remaining size-12's, but also the missing pair of size-6 underwear, or were the used size-6 replaced inside the size-12 package? How else could both be removed jointly?

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Somebody had their thinking cap on for this one. One thing is certain the used size 6's have yet to surface. And the Ramseys had possession for a very long time of the size 12's. Does anyone know was that courtesy Aunt Pam when she hauled out alot more than funeral clothes?

 

[Ames]

If they were even there in the first place. Why would an intruder bother to redress the child he'd just assaulted and killed or was going to kill? Why would he risk being heard coming back upstairs and rifling for clean undies? Why would we take an unopened package of undies and bother to open them and retrieve the correct day undie from the middle of the pack when there are plenty of loose undies folded and easily avaible to choose from?

That's the one thing about the IDI theory that makes no sense....how very sweet of that intruder, to take the time to search the house for clean underwear to redress her in, even though it meant possibly making noise and waking up the "sleeping parents".

I don't think the size 12s were in with the other undies. I think they were somewhere else where Patsy knew where they were, and she or John went and got them to dress JB in because they were brand new and never laundered, free of evidence, and could serve to deflect suspicion from the Rs (people thinking there's no way a parent would have put such huge undies on their kid.)

Even though Patsy said in an interview, that the size 12's were kept in the same drawer as the others, I have heard that it is possible that they could have been in the basement with the other presents, wrapped and unwrapped, because they had intended to be a present for Patsy's relative. I think that even though JB may have wanted them, saying...as Patsy claims, that she would grow into them, that they were probably still in the basement with the other presents.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Definitely good thinking, guys. I really think the underwear, both old used size 6 and brand new size 12s, were removed by Aunt Pam, and that the size 12s had been in the basement all along, wrapped for Jenny. Pam could have even stuffed them inside something else - and that police cruiser she filled up with "some clothes for the funeral" was stuffed back seat and trunk with boxes and bags filled with items, according to ST.

I simply can NOT believe police not only allowed Pammy Paugh to raid the R house and take out things that could be evidence, but provided her with a police jacket to wear while doing it and a cruiser to drive her to and from the house...plus the Happy Meal with a large Diet Coke and lots of ice that Officer Chromiak bought for Pam afterwards (right after Pam sat there telling Chromiak that she had made a million dollars by age 30...when she was really a department store cosmetic counter attendant.) Now if Pam was a millionaire, why didn't she buy her own Happy Meal and large Diet Coke with lots of ice?

 

[Ames]

Nuisanceposter,

There is nothing to prove where the size-12's were stored on that night. They may have been anywhere, in Patsy's bedroom, downstairs in the basement or allegedly in JonBenet's bedroom dresser drawer?

They were not located in the bathroom drawer since there were, was it, 15-pairs taken from there as evidence?

Patsy said that the size 12's undies were kept in the bathroom drawer...in one of her interviews, but that does not make it true...(Interview can be found on acandyrose....)

 

[coloradokares]

Definitely good thinking, guys. I really think the underwear, both old used size 6 and brand new size 12s, were removed by Aunt Pam, and that the size 12s had been in the basement all along, wrapped for Jenny. Pam could have even stuffed them inside something else - and that police cruiser she filled up with "some clothes for the funeral" was stuffed back seat and trunk with boxes and bags filled with items, according to ST.

I simply can NOT believe police not only allowed Pammy Paugh to raid the R house and take out things that could be evidence, but provided her with a police jacket to wear while doing it and a cruiser to drive her to and from the house...plus the Happy Meal with a large Diet Coke and lots of ice that Officer Chromiak bought for Pam afterwards (right after Pam sat there telling Chromiak that she had made a million dollars by age 30...when she was really a department store cosmetic counter attendant.) Now if Pam was a millionaire, why didn't she buy her own Happy Meal and large Diet Coke with lots of ice?

It makes not sense none at all. Its so infuriating. And the Ramseys say they were abused by the police. KID GLOVES all the way to freedom. I really believe it when I say if this had happened in Denver we'd not have these forums for any purpose but to discuss Solved Cases.

 

[Eagle1]

Patsy said that the size 12's undies were kept in the bathroom drawer...in one of her interviews, but that does not make it true...(Interview can be found on acandyrose....)

Agreed, Ames, PR saying where the large panties were kept doesn't make it true. They would not have been hard for anyone to find, though. Maybe the killer was that walker that the Barnhills saw, and he was going through their things for hours. Not that it would take hours to find panties. If you were going to have to wait hours in someone's home, wouldn't you find something to do and at least look around a bit, familiarize yourself?

UKGuy's right too, that there's no proof of where the panties were stored, or whatever he said. By the time I get around to replying, I sometimes forget exact words.

 

[Ames]

Definitely good thinking, guys. I really think the underwear, both old used size 6 and brand new size 12s, were removed by Aunt Pam, and that the size 12s had been in the basement all along, wrapped for Jenny. Pam could have even stuffed them inside something else - and that police cruiser she filled up with "some clothes for the funeral" was stuffed back seat and trunk with boxes and bags filled with items, according to ST.

Me too. I think that SHE should be arrested for carting away so much evidence. Things that she claimed were "for the funeral".

I simply can NOT believe police not only allowed Pammy Paugh to raid the R house and take out things that could be evidence, but provided her with a police jacket to wear while doing it and a cruiser to drive her to and from the house...plus the Happy Meal with a large Diet Coke and lots of ice that Officer Chromiak bought for Pam afterwards (right after Pam sat there telling Chromiak that she had made a million dollars by age 30...when she was really a department store cosmetic counter attendant.) Now if Pam was a millionaire, why didn't she buy her own Happy Meal and large Diet Coke with lots of ice?

I didn't know about her telling Chromiak that she was a millionaire by age 30, and she worked as a cosmetic counter attendant....or about the Happy Meal...she must have really been famished, after carting all of that evidence away. Hiding evidence takes alot out of a person! I can't believe how far backward the police bent over for the Ramsey's....its ridiculous!!!