Found Deceased France - Émile S., 2, outside grandparent’s house, Le Vernet, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, 8 July 2023 *arrest* #2

[UK Girl]

I did think this too.

Yeah but then you have the suicide note which I assume started all this..although I get it

 

[Teche]

I wonder if the grandfather went to the priest for confession.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I don't think a suicide note and the anonymous letter are the same thing.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

News outlets seem to vary in regards to the priest leaving a suicide note.
Quite a few say "an apparent suicide note"
Other have suicide note in inverted commas.

So I would say that there is some doubt that "he" left a note and if you think like that then maybe his suicide isn't a suicide after all

 

[UK Girl]

News outlets seem to vary in regards to the priest leaving a suicide note.
Quite a few say "an apparent suicide note"
Other have suicide note in inverted commas.

So I would say that there is some doubt that "he" left a note and if you think like that then maybe his suicide isn't a suicide after all

Maybe but its a heck of a coincidence that this has all happened within days of the Priest dieing.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Maybe but its a heck of a coincidence that this has all happened within days of the Priest dieing.

That is exactly what I was implying.

 

[UK Girl]

That is exactly what I was implying.

I get that but if the Priest was killed how would the Police have known to go to the planter days after he died? I mean Emile has been dead several years now. Several articles have said about a letter which to me makes sense. I do get why people might think the Priest was maybe killed by a certain person. I am curious how big this planter was even.

 

[CalliopeMuse]

I don't think a suicide note and the anonymous letter are the same thing.

I believe they are 2 different things. The 'letter' revelation is from a report from a French TV station; the report is quoted up-thread. The letter in question was received in February, at least two weeks before the priest committed suicide.

Dozens, even hundreds of letters, often anonymous, have been received since the little boy's disappearance. All of these letters are read carefully.

[...]

This was the case at the end of February. The details written on a piece of paper prompted investigators that day to reread every word of every sentence several times. Then, during the first week of March, gendarmes traveled to the Tours region and around Paris, BFM DICI learned from concordant sources. This was not confirmed by the main parties involved, nor by the Aix-en-Provence prosecutor's office.

This is complete conjecture on my part, but I wonder if someone had provided information to the priest that he managed to pass along to LE. (This would not have been the grandfather: he and Fr Gilliot had a complete falling out shortly after the child's death.) If such a revelation came in confession, or something similar, revealing it to someone else, i.e. breaking the 'seal of the confessional' is a profound violation of a priest's vows.

And if that happened, the source of such information would almost certainly come out, given how sensational this case is. That would bring the priest's life/vocation crashing down on him. If he was aware that the matter was coming to a head, he may have decided to end his life before the legal case did. Or he may have simply not been able to forgive himself for his actions, especially if he was as traditional a Catholic as various articles suggest he was.

As I said, this is pure conjecture. I hope that he and little Emile are at peace.

 

[Carovb5]

“Grandparents of murdered Émile (2.5) released after marathon interrogation, French court will not prosecute them”


Grootouders vermoorde Émile (2,5) vrijgelaten na marathonondervraging, Franse gerecht gaat hen niet vervolgen

 

[Carovb5]

“Grandparents of murdered Émile (2.5) released after marathon interrogation, French court will not prosecute them”


Grootouders vermoorde Émile (2,5) vrijgelaten na marathonondervraging, Franse gerecht gaat hen niet vervolgen

In the same article: aunt & uncle also released. Later today there will be more info given by the prosecuter (they said on the radionews)

 

[Deleted member 339775]

Wow there’s been a lot of information to take in over the last few days with this case. Are we to surmise that the priest broke his vow that keeps secrets safe and told the police all that he knew. He then couldn’t live with he guilt of breaking the vow?! I hope both him and Emile are resting in peace

 

[Lonicera]

INFO BFMTV. DEATH OF ÉMILE: THE FOUR POLICE CUSTODY LIFTED, GRANDPARENTS, UNCLE AND AUNT RELEASEDINFO BFMTV. Mort d'Émile: les quatre gardes à vue levées, les grands-parents, l'oncle et la tante relâchés​

All members of Émile's family, detained for 48 hours, were released without prosecution. After the lifting of the police custody of the grandmother, grandfather, then an aunt of the little boy, it was that of an uncle that was lifted, BFMTV learned from the Public Prosecutor of Aix-en-Provence.

All came out free and without prosecution. They had all been arrested Tuesday in the early hours of the day and their home had been searched. At the end of these police custody, the prosecutor must hold a press conference at noon this Thursday.

A few hours earlier, at dawn, Me Isabelle Colombani, the lawyer of little Émile's grandfather, heard since Tuesday, explained: "The investigators did their job. We could see that there was a lot of work done. And they had a lot of questions to ask us since yesterday. All the questions were answered," she added.

"There may have been areas of shadow to lift"​

She assured that she had "never been too worried" since police custody began early Tuesday. "I thought we could explain each other on all points. There may have been shadow areas to be lifted, but here it is," she insisted.

"My client's police custody will be lifted, it is naturally an immense relief," Julien Pinelli told journalists when leaving the gendarmerie premises in Marseille shortly after 3 o'clock.

"After 17 hours of hearing today, police custody is lifted," said Isabelle Colombani as she left the gendarmerie in Marseille shortly before 5 a.m. "It's a relief for them, for the lawyer too," she added.

Anne Vedovini "wanted to participate in what could naturally be akin to an ordeal, but she wanted to do so to the extent that she believed that it was also her contribution to this investigation whose answers she is now waiting for," he added.

The lawyer refused to make any statement "on the merits of the investigations that were conducted (or) on the questions asked to my client (and) on the answers she could have given".

"We were able to during these 48 hours, without naturally lifting the secret, observe the considerable work that was carried out by the investigating authorities and in particular the research section of the Marseille gendarmerie, which spared no effort to find answers to this tragedy, today naturally my client retains all her trust in them," added the lawyer.

The grandmother "is waiting for the answers" on the death of the child, her lawyer Me Julien Pinelli announced on the night of Wednesday to Thursday in March.

 

[detective.moon]

i wonder if the family (or one of the family members) is still the main suspect but LE just doesn’t have sufficient proof at this point. maybe they were hoping that questioning them and searches would give them the necessary proof and it didn’t.
jmoo.

 

[Lucy6226]

I mean they've had almost two years to get their story watertight. MOO

 

[Lonicera]

Wow there’s been a lot of information to take in over the last few days with this case. Are we to surmise that the priest broke his vow that keeps secrets safe and told the police all that he knew. He then couldn’t live with he guilt of breaking the vow?! I hope both him and Emile are resting in peace

The priest’s sister testified to his brother’s profound dismay (he was 84 years old): he had baptized Emile, but he had sent a photo of the boy with his parents to a journalist (he thought it was good) and the family had been very upset. So, from what I read about this case, there is no evidence that he received a confession on this matter.

 

[Lonicera]

Mort d’Emile : ses ossements n’ont pas toujours séjourné dans la nature selon une nouvelle expertise

Emile's death: his bones have not always stayed in nature according to a new expertise​

A new expertise has proven that Emile's bones, found on March 30, 2024, have not always stayed outdoors and that they have been moved. Despite these elements, police custody was lifted.
This is a new twist that could have turned the investigation upside down. While the police custody of Emile's grandparents, his uncle and aunt were lifted, our colleagues from Le Parisien revealed a new overwhelming scientific expertise. Indeed, analyses conducted on the child's skull show that these bones have not always stayed in nature, but in two different places. Before being found by a hiker on a forest road not far from Haut-Vernet on March 30, 2024, the small skull would have been placed in a place protected "from external elements, almost sterile", says the daily.
This means that Emile's body was probably hidden for several months before being moved and deposited outside. Another analysis, carried out on the little boy's t-shirt found a few meters from his skull, also shows that this garment has never been in contact with the child's remains.

The intervention of a third party to explain Emile's death therefore no longer seems to be in doubt in the minds of the investigators. Nor in that of Emile's parents. According to our information, Colomban Soleil had also told one of his neighbors that the area where the bones were discovered had been combed through, that he himself had done research everywhere and that he was certain that during this research, his son's body was not there. Le Parisien specifies that this analysis on the skull has also "uncovered a lesion compatible with human intervention. "
It remains to be seen who moved the remains of the little boy. And what really happened on July 8, 2023 in the Haut-Vernet family property.
Did the gendarmes of the Marseille research section confront Emile's grandparents, as well as his uncle and aunt, with these new damning elements during their police custody? It's likely. In any case, the answers provided must not have confirmed the doubts of the investigators, who released the police custody without prosecution. The Aix-en-Provence prosecutor will hold a press conference this Thursday, March 27 at noon.

 

[Deleted member 339775]

The priest’s sister testified to his brother’s profound dismay (he was 84 years old): he had baptized Emile, but he had sent a photo of the boy with his parents to a journalist (he thought it was good) and the family had been very upset. So, from what I read about this case, there is no evidence that he received a confession on this matter.

My mistake, I apologise

 

[TootsieFootsie]

“Grandparents of murdered Émile (2.5) released after marathon interrogation, French court will not prosecute them”

I thought that would be the outcome.
I think they were trying to scare them into confessing something.

 

[Skigh]

Bombshell new twist in case of missing French infant Emile Soleil

Prosecutors spoke after Emile's grandparents, who were looking after him when he vanished from their holiday home in Haut Vernet in 2023, were released from custody

www.dailymail.co.uk

After months of detailed forensic work, they have now concluded that Émile's body did not decompose in the clothes they found a month later.

Experts believe the remains could have been positioned in gruesome staging, previously confidential reports revealed this week suggest.

Bachon spoke after Émile's grandparents, who were looking after him when he vanished from their holiday home, were released from custody, having been detained on suspicion of voluntary homicide and concealing a corpse this week.

The prosecutor clarified today that the line of inquiry involving the family was just 'one among others', while noting that the family trail has 'not yet been closed'.

He said that the investigation had reached a stage 'where it became necessary to confront and enlighten the people most affected' by the tragedy.

The four were arrested 'in light of the results of the expert reports', he said.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Bombshell new twist in case of missing French infant Emile Soleil

Prosecutors spoke after Emile's grandparents, who were looking after him when he vanished from their holiday home in Haut Vernet in 2023, were released from custody

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bachon also revealed a set back in the investigation, as the blood-coated planter found near the Saint Martin chapel on Sunday 'did not contain any evidence likely to advance the investigations'.