France - 5 shot, 4 dead in French Alps, may have int'l ramifications, 2012 #2

[ZaZara]

It may have been a weapon collector that had a break in and his weapons stolen, if it was an illegal collection then i doubt he would have reported the burglary to the police.

That does not apply to Switzerland, as gun ownership of the guns used in both the Chevaline case and the Balignant case is allowed there without a permit.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Was it not the French Alps?

 

[ZaZara]

Was it not the French Alps?

You will find all the info in thread 1 and this thread, including the links to Switzerland.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Just because the gun is Swiss doesnt mean the owner was swiss. Also im sure that even though it is legal to own guns ( sure a firearm license is a legal requirement in Switzerland ?) im sure it would have to have been registered.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Cool, im wrong.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Cool, im wrong.

I think you're right that the person who owned the Swiss gun doesn't necessarily have to be Swiss.

 

[Warwick1991]

I think you're right that the person who owned the Swiss gun doesn't necessarily have to be Swiss.

While I agree that the killer doesn't have to be Swiss, I think it is likely that he's Swiss. To buy Swiss military surplus firearms is much easier for a Swiss citizen. People in other parts of Europe face far more regulatory barriers. At one time, surplus Swiss military arms were sold in the US, where it is easier to purchase a firearm.

It's always possible, though, that the firearms changed hands and made their way to France via an informal sale.

 

[Cedars]

I thought the point was the killer engaged in actions taught only by a specialized Swiss military training program.

Is the thinking that citizens of another country can join the Swiss military? IMO, no, that's not how national mititary service usually works.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

While I agree that the killer doesn't have to be Swiss, I think it is likely that he's Swiss. To buy Swiss military surplus firearms is much easier for a Swiss citizen. People in other parts of Europe face far more regulatory barriers. At one time, surplus Swiss military arms were sold in the US, where it is easier to purchase a firearm.

I do agree with what you are saying and all of the above does hold true but for me thats if the firearm was sold legally. It may also be that someone inherited their Grandfathers collection but now lives in France.
Also buying illegal firearms really isnt that difficult, even here in the UK.
I really dont mean to be argumentative sorry.
I shall bow out now as surgery in a couple of days so i dont know when i will get back on..

 

[ScotsPaddy]

I thought the point was the killer engaged in actions taught only by a specialized Swiss military training program.

Is the thinking that citizens of another country can join the Swiss military? IMO, no, that's not how national mititary service usually works.

Can you show where the actions by the killer was taught only by the swiss military.

I mean most countries have similar training and there is also times where one countries soldiers do training with another countries soldiers or do specialized training in/with another country and not always known to the public. British soldiers do a lot of winter training with the Norwgegian ( may be Finish,Swedish or all 3?).
As my post above, i dont mean to be argumentative.

 

[Cedars]

Can you show where the actions by the killer was taught only by the swiss military.

This was just recently discussed, posts with links are on the previous pages

Tuerie de Chevaline: les enqu^teurla piste d’un militaire fou?

according to this expert, the best place to look is Switzerland[/B]. For two reasons. Firstly, the weapon used, a Luger P06, is a collector's item. It dates from the early 20th century and was used by the Swiss army. It doesn't fit the profile of a hitman, who would have used a much more reliable weapon. Secondly, because in Switzerland all the special military forces and intervention brigades are trained in the use of the precision close-range technique.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

A lot of Swiss people in the Geneva area do their shopping around Annecy because it is so much cheaper. (The French have built supermarkets with the Swiss in mind.) Geneva is the most expensive city in the world and salaries there reflect that. A lot of French people from Annecy commute to work in Geneva, benefiting from the higher salaries there while enjoying cheaper housing and living costs in France. There are lots of guns in Switzerland. All men do military service and take their gun home after training as they remain reservists and do annual training. Shooting is popular there. Guns easily flow from Switzerland into France.