GUILTY France, Dominique Pélicot, drugged wife of 50 years nightly, filmed rape by at least 51 men, 2011-2020

[LadyL]

Doctors should have their eyes wide open.

JMO

awareness is generally based on knowledge or experience
if they've never read about it, heard about it, experienced it, how would they have their eyes wide open?

 

[LadyL]

There are professions which require special abilities to discern red flags:
Police officers, doctors/medical staff, teachers, Social workers.

IMO

red flags to what? they cant know what they don't know
confusion, research, investigation, I'm sure they consulted with experts and colleagues
none of those people knew
none of the victims suspected
we here at WS were in shock for a good while - frankly, I still am
because none of us knew that anything like this actually happens
why would we? unless we read about it, heard about it, experienced it
and why would the doctors

 

[LadyL]

Don't forget he's got a murder trial coming up.

has he been charged?

 

[Dotta]

awareness is generally based on knowledge or experience
if they've never read about it, heard about it, experienced it, how would they have their eyes wide open?

The doctor is very often the first person who can recognize whether there is violence/abuse in the family
and the first person who can react.

"Doctor, react to violence!"

I thought it is obvious.

JMO

 

[Kemug]

has he been charged?

Well, I thought so. I thought he had been charged, but maybe not. Fingers crossed!

 

[MrsAddick]

he said on the stand that he didn't and his daughter called him a liar in court
he also had pictures of his daughters-in-law and unsupervised access to his grandchildren

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The couple's daughter, who uses the pen name Caroline Darian, believes she was also assaulted by her father.

He photographed Ms Darian and his sons' wives without their knowledge and posted their naked pictures on social networks, along with pornographic photomontages.

On Monday, Ms Darian, 45, said she had been "forgotten" during the trial, adding she was convinced that she too had been drugged and sexually assaulted by her father, like her mother.

"The only difference between her and me is the lack of evidence concerning me. For me, it's an absolute tragedy", said Ms Darian, who in 2022 wrote a book Et J'ai cesse de t'appeler Papa (And I stopped calling you dad).
"In your disgusting files," she told her father, "you don't look at me like a father looks at his daughter.

"But you will never have the courage to tell the truth," she added.

Dominique Pelicot has confessed to rape. He denies however that he abused his daughter.”

Gisele Pelicot's children speak of their horror as daughter claims she was also abused by father on trial for rape - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder, why no physician got an idea, why poor Giselle may have suffered from her many symptoms of illness.

Because no one knew she was being drugged and because she was accompanied by her husband who was the main historian. I wonder how several STDs were explained, though.

 

[FromGermany1]

Because no one knew she was being drugged and because she was accompanied by her husband who was the main historian. I wonder how several STDs were explained, though.

bbm
Even that??

 

[Charlot123]

bbm
Even that??

The woman comes in and complains of memory lapses. Her partner says, "yes, I have noticed, too, she can't even make breakfast, as of recently, she has become very disorganized and forgetful". He appears concerned and loving, i bet he could pretend. That's the issue. JMO. I wonder about STDs but it could be so that she was so dazed that she couldn't follow up on the origin. The whole situation is one's typical gazlighting. I think that if she is constantly drugged, it is easy for Dominique to persuade Gizele that what she feels or experiences is the product of her "poor memory."

 

[Inthedetails]

The woman comes in and complains of memory lapses. Her partner says, "yes, I have noticed, too, she can't even make breakfast, as of recently, she has become very disorganized and forgetful". He appears concerned and loving, i bet he could pretend. That's the issue. JMO. I wonder about STDs but it could be so that she was so dazed that she couldn't follow up on the origin. The whole situation is one's typical gazlighting. I think that if she is constantly drugged, it is easy for Dominique to persuade Gizele that what she feels or experiences is the product of her "poor memory."

And, if a couple appears together, who is the doctor to pass judgement on their sex life? He might think they had an open marriage, for example, but that's not his job to question.

I think if the husband was there, it put the doctor at ease that the sex life within that marriage was consensual and his job was to cure the ailments that resulted.

jmo

 

[sunspun]

I can't get over how strong the drugs must have been that he gave to her without her knowledge! To zonk her out so completely. One expert in the trial, I think, said it was more like she was in a coma than asleep. So is it that she was basically in the same "sleep" that people are in under general anesthesia in the hospital? And this over and over and over again, over the course of ten years! How dangerous that had to have been for her. She could easily have not woke up after any one of those nights. People worry about having to go under anesthesia for necessary operations, because they know it has inherent dangers, and that's when it's administered by trained medical specialists in a hospital setting, and usually happens very rarely in a person's life, and then usually only when it's medically necessary. And he was doing this to her ALL the TIME for 10 years, for no necessary reason at all! He could have killed her. IMO, she was close to death each of those times he drugged her.

 

[Kemug]

And where did he get such strong medication from, and so much of it? Surely not legally? So who was his supplier, who should have known that it was very very dodgy. Why isn't the supplier also in the dock?

 

[Inthedetails]

And where did he get such strong medication from, and so much of it? Surely not legally? So who was his supplier, who should have known that it was very very dodgy. Why isn't the supplier also in the dock?

Excellent question. I'd like to know the answers about that too!

jmo

 

[gremlin444]

Pelicot trial: French court hears how mass rape went undetected for years

Relatives of Gisèle Pelicot, the woman at the heart of a mass rape trial that has shaken France, testified in court on Tuesday about the deterioration they witnessed in Pelicot’s health throughout her…

www.france24.com

1) Dominique's older brother is a doctor and is one of the doctors who prescribed the "anti-anxiety drug known as Temesta to Gisèle Pelicot. He said she suffered from bouts of anxiety and had trouble sleeping.

2) "After previously testing a variety of drugs and sleeping pills, Dominique Pelicot began administering Temesta to his wife in 2015, acting on the advice of a nurse he met online. The drugs put his wife into a deep sleep, allowing him to sexually abuse her without her realising."

3) Dominique told his doctor he was experiencing money problems and suffering from anxiety to get his own prescription. "Prescribing Temesta for patients who suffer from sleep disorders or anxiety is extremely common in France, to the point that pharmacies frequently run out of the drug."

4) He gradually increased the doses from three to ten tablets a day, crushing them into her food and drink.

5) "In all, nearly 780 Temesta tablets were prescribed by various doctors until 2020, the year Dominique Pelicot was arrested. "

 

[Charlot123]

Pelicot trial: French court hears how mass rape went undetected for years

Relatives of Gisèle Pelicot, the woman at the heart of a mass rape trial that has shaken France, testified in court on Tuesday about the deterioration they witnessed in Pelicot’s health throughout her…

www.france24.com

1) Dominique's older brother is a doctor and is one of the doctors who prescribed the "anti-anxiety drug known as Temesta to Gisèle Pelicot. He said she suffered from bouts of anxiety and had trouble sleeping.

2) "After previously testing a variety of drugs and sleeping pills, Dominique Pelicot began administering Temesta to his wife in 2015, acting on the advice of a nurse he met online. The drugs put his wife into a deep sleep, allowing him to sexually abuse her without her realising."

3) Dominique told his doctor he was experiencing money problems and suffering from anxiety to get his own prescription. "Prescribing Temesta for patients who suffer from sleep disorders or anxiety is extremely common in France, to the point that pharmacies frequently run out of the drug."

4) He gradually increased the doses from three to ten tablets a day, crushing them into her food and drink.

5) "In all, nearly 780 Temesta tablets were prescribed by various doctors until 2020, the year Dominique Pelicot was arrested. "

Didn’t some of the rapists, too, bring in sedatives as the way to “pay”?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Would 780 tablets have lasted as long as they did, especially using 10 at a time.
Maybe he sourced drugs somewhere else as well.

Maybe not all doctors want to admit prescribing them to him.

 

[Kemug]

Would 780 tablets have lasted as long as they did, especially using 10 at a time.
Maybe he sourced drugs somewhere else as well.

Maybe not all doctors want to admit prescribing them to him.

780 tablets at 10 a time equals 78 nights. That equals less than twice a week for 2 years. He obviously used many more than that, so he must have had other sources.

 

[Dotta]

" 'Say her name!'
Outrage as TIME magazine fails to name Gisele Pelicot Person of the Year shortlist -
after she
'stood for all victims'
in public mass rape case that shocked world."

People fume after Gisele Pelicot isn't on Time's Person of the Year

Ten candidates have been shortlisted for TIME's annual Person of the Year. However people are fuming that Gisele Pelicot has not appeared in the annual designation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

" '50 rape case defendants'
disturbing testimonies
and astonishing excuses for having sex with Monster of Avignon victim Gisele Pelicot -
including the one that made her walk out of court."

50 defendants' disturbing testimonies in Monster of Avignon rape trial

Firefighters, soldiers, a DJ and a journalist are among the dozens of men accused of raping a 71-year-old woman at the behest of her husband over a decade - all without her knowledge.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[dotr]

" '50 rape case defendants'
disturbing testimonies
and astonishing excuses for having sex with Monster of Avignon victim Gisele Pelicot -
including the one that made her walk out of court."

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50 defendants' disturbing testimonies in Monster of Avignon rape trial

Firefighters, soldiers, a DJ and a journalist are among the dozens of men accused of raping a 71-year-old woman at the behest of her husband over a decade - all without her knowledge.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From link, rbbm.
''Vincent C, 42, carpenter
The carpenter is accused of raping Mrs Pelicot twice, in October 2019 and January 2020, but denies the charges.
He said he felt no pleasure during the encounter but that Pelicot had told him he 'enjoyed it'.
Pelicot told him his wife had watched a video of the first visit and 'liked it', which he believed 'closed the door on any doubt'.
He added that he felt he had 'satisfied' the Pelicots more than himself. Mrs Pelicot found the statements so unbearable that she got up and left the courtroom briefly.''