France - Karen Carter, 65, stabbed to death, Dordogne, 29 April 2025

  • #621
The trail of a love triangle

gendarmes quickly became interested in a resident of Trémolat, Marie-Laure A. It was Jean-François G., Karen Carter’s close friend, who drew attention to this woman, a former nursing assistant. When he was heard by the investigators, Jean-François explained that Marie-Laure had been pursuing him assiduously for months. She had left her husband. She was convinced that she would start a new life with him. He had rejected her.

Wednesday, April 30, 2025, Marie-Laure A. is placed in custody. She disputes any involvement in this crime. The gendarmes search his home. No object, no clue found. Marie-Laure A. has an alibi for the evening of April 29. After forty hours of custody, she is released. When we see the jets of blood, we know directly that the attacker was covered with this blood. This suggests planning and it is where it is not very compatible with the mental state of this lady," indicates General François Daoust in L'Heure du Crime, on RTL. https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-fai...e-sanglante-du-village-de-tremolat-7900572854
 
  • #622
The trail of a love triangle

gendarmes quickly became interested in a resident of Trémolat, Marie-Laure A. It was Jean-François G., Karen Carter’s close friend, who drew attention to this woman, a former nursing assistant. When he was heard by the investigators, Jean-François explained that Marie-Laure had been pursuing him assiduously for months. She had left her husband. She was convinced that she would start a new life with him. He had rejected her.

Wednesday, April 30, 2025, Marie-Laure A. is placed in custody. She disputes any involvement in this crime. The gendarmes search his home. No object, no clue found. Marie-Laure A. has an alibi for the evening of April 29. After forty hours of custody, she is released. When we see the jets of blood, we know directly that the attacker was covered with this blood. This suggests planning and it is where it is not very compatible with the mental state of this lady," indicates General François Daoust in L'Heure du Crime, on RTL. https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-fai...e-sanglante-du-village-de-tremolat-7900572854
Someone had all (illegal) reasons for an attack in full rage; her life had been distraught by the rejection of her love-object. Indeed, her life was in pieces by then, it seems to me. THEN an unknown murderer comes to the little village and does the same, what she ML would preferably have done probably. Makes sense, if she did it (I know: alibi etc.) and also makes sense, if some in SA knew of her verrry strong interest in JFG and sent a hitman. Perfect timing, if it was a hitman, MOO.
 
  • #623
Someone had all (illegal) reasons for an attack in full rage; her life had been distraught by the rejection of her love-object. Indeed, her life was in pieces by then, it seems to me. THEN an unknown murderer comes to the little village and does the same, what she ML would preferably have done probably. Makes sense, if she did it (I know: alibi etc.) and also makes sense, if some in SA knew of her verrry strong interest in JFG and sent a hitman. Perfect timing, if it was a hitman, MOO.

But who would be so stupid
as to act as a hitman for mentally unstable 70- year-old pensioner??? :rolleyes:
With such a person one can never be certain what she can disclose to others/Police.
And let's be honest...
we are not talking about JP Belmondo or A Delon as an alleged sweetheart...

To commit brutal murder and endanger oneself and one's freedom for....what???

Nope.
I'm sorry but my imagination doesn't stretch THAT far...

Follow the business,
Follow the money
is my present mantra.
( Among others, that is 🧐 )

But sure.
What do I know??? 🤔
Nothing.
I'm just a simple poster.

But...
I want to point out that residents of the village were DNA tested.
And there is NO POI.

JMO
 
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  • #624
To add...again...

I unwillingly reject my previous theory of random attack.
Nope.

Taking into account the latest updates with links upthread,
about Karen acting "not her usual self"
I think she was worried about something.
She possibly felt threatened/blackmailed???
Did she confide her worries to someone?
Does someone know something?
What was it about?

The attack seems carefully planned.
Logistics was thought out.
The attacker vanished into thin air.
But left something behind...DNA!

So there is hope,
that sooner or later the attacker will be caught.

JMO
 
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  • #625
Someone had all (illegal) reasons for an attack in full rage; her life had been distraught by the rejection of her love-object. Indeed, her life was in pieces by then, it seems to me. THEN an unknown murderer comes to the little village and does the same, what she ML would preferably have done probably. Makes sense, if she did it (I know: alibi etc.) and also makes sense, if some in SA knew of her verrry strong interest in JFG and sent a hitman. Perfect timing, if it was a hitman, MOO.

Let us try not oppose MLA and KC but compare their situations because I see a certain dimilarity

Two women in the same age group

Both pleasant

You can imagine that in their time both were very attractive

Still attractive

Not super well-paid jobs, but one, a teacher, another, a nurse

Both had kids

Both had husbands; I am not sure about Alan’s money but at one point he bought Karen that gite

We don’t know MLA’s former husband but probably what they had was enough to live comfortably in the village

Comes JFG. First, he is financially well better-off MLA. Her brother says something about her life being much better off had she married G. So, some financial interest.

However: was MLA delusional when she divorced her husband and ruined the family? Hard to tell. However, it is a fact that at least at one point in time JFG was taking her out, isn’t it so? So, not an imagination, there was some connection between them. Then he "backpedaled" I guess. But, MLA still had her job, her hobby, was living a life. Not crushed, although, predictably unhappy.

Did MLA overrate the widower’s general willingness to marry? Perhaps, but hard to tell what she’d been told. It is possible that he just was “telling tales”, and lost interest when she became too serious about it.

So maybe MLA was naive in assessing the seriousness of JFG’s intentions, but nothing more "delusional" than that.

But then, enters Karen. Karen, who’s hard-working, a cancer survivor, slowly building up business with the gite. Very pleasant, very gracious, but she comes across as a serious person and a planner. She is a reasonable woman, married for the second time, who lived in several countries and is the mother of four kids. Very worldly. Stable.

Suddenly this epitome of practicality, KC, is engaged in a quiet but passionate relationship with JFG, and she, too, files for a divorce. After years of marriage, you don’t just abandon the family. You have to have an alternative plan.

So we have two women who, having dated JFG for a while, headed exactly the same way, towards the divorce! And rather rapidly.

How many more could there be under his belt? What was JFG’s life before? From the villagers account, women came to visit him. What happened to them?

In my life, I knew a man who was a “serial relationship-wrecker”. I can’t say “home wrecker” because I was 20 and he, 30, but he had a train of stories about broken engagements, or being engaged and suddenly marrying someone else. I thought these were his fantasies, but I later i did meet several sobbing young women, befriended some. At this, he was viewed as "solid" by adult people. An unusual type, but...if you know that the pattern exists, you start wondering.

So...Was JFG the man who kept someone with his promises on the hook for too long? Broke one marriage too many? Was there someone else who, too, divorced and rearranged her life? Who then watched him dating other women and finally, snapped?

So, I am not in "Alan Carter did it" camp. If I heard that the Carters were splitting a diamond mine in the divorce, I might reconsider. But what we know about is some property in South Africa and some in France and a man who seems to be a good father. Not the type.

My feeling is, either someone who had a crush on Karen and was angry that his rival was older and richer. (Seriously, I do have the "class jealousy" vibe).

Or look at someone from JFG's past.

The phrase "a hotbed of affairs" could simply mean that JFG lived vicariously through "romances" because he knew what follows 75. But to break two marriages tells me that he might have been persuasive in his promises. Could have been a pattern, and someone could have been angry.

To add: if MLA has an alibi, her only known connection with the murder is, sadly, tought luck at having had some relationship with JFG in the past. We don't know of any threats of KC, nor any pen-poison letters, nor any toxicity. Yet her name is smeared, she is probably ashamed, moved away.

If you look at it not as "love triangle" and I don't see any triangle just a persuasive man, then "one woman is dead, another one has her good name smeared", looks too unfair.
 
  • #626
So...Was JFG the man who kept someone with his promises on the hook for too long? Broke one marriage too many? Was there someone else who, too, divorced and rearranged her life? Who then watched him dating other women and finally, snapped?
Maybe, there were some sad deceived women in the background. But JFG himself only pointed to one person as we know. It seems, he had no suspicions against another "bride" from his recent past. He could have had; why didn't he? Just because these acquaintances don't live in Tremolat? Or because he didn't believe, any other woman was capable of such an act of violence?
 
  • #627
Maybe, there were some sad deceived women in the background. But JFG himself only pointed to one person as we know. It seems, he had no suspicions against another "bride" from his recent past. He could have had; why didn't he? Just because these acquaintances don't live in Tremolat? Or because he didn't believe, any other woman was capable of such an act of violence?

I believe that he might have been scared of someone else.
 
  • #628
Suddenly this epitome of practicality, KC, is engaged in a quiet but passionate relationship with JFG, and she, too, files for a divorce. After years of marriage, you don’t just abandon the family. You have to have an alternative plan.
RSBM

I hadn't thought of the possibility of a serial home wrecker, but your scenario surely is an eye opener. 👍

My doubts are about the sequence of events.
KC and AC lived separate lives while remaining married, and they might simply have gone on doing so.
Did KC file for divorce because of JFG? Or did divorce talks / proceedings start earlier? Reading through the thread, I got the impression that for KC, the divorce was already on the agenda and that developments were stalling, whereas the relationship with JFG was a recent matter, of only a few weeks.

If JFG was not the reason for the divorce, perhaps there was someone else who was? And it did not work out for some reason?
 
  • #629
One thing that stands out is how controlled the offender seems before and after the moment of violence. That kind of switch -> calm -> sudden action -> immediate withdrawal --- usually points to someone who has rehearsed the moment in their head, not someone acting for the first time in their life. It doesn’t mean they’ve done anything like this before, but it does suggest they’ve spent time thinking about retaliation in a very rigid way.
Another detail is the timing. The attack happened at a moment when the victim was returning home, which means the offender either knew her routine or was watching closely enough to catch the window. That level of timing isn’t random; it’s someone who pays attention, maybe obsessively, and doesn’t cope well when their internal picture of “how things should be” gets disrupted.
The second attack in the same village adds another layer. Even if the two incidents aren’t the same person, the fact that someone else felt emboldened enough to attack a woman in the same area suggests a local social environment where certain people feel invisible or unaccountable. That’s not about crime - that’s about psychology and community dynamics.
And the recent dna sweep of 15 people tells you investigators already have a behavioural shortlist, not just a biological one. They’re looking at people whose routines, temperaments, or past interactions fit a very specific pattern. People who struggle with boundaries, who fixate, who escalate when they feel slighted, and who don’t have strong coping mechanisms when life corners them.
So the interesting part isn’t local vs outsider. Imho, it’s the combination of timing, emotional rigidity, rumination, and the kind of personality that can live in a small community while carrying around a private storm no one sees until it breaks out.
 
  • #630
If ML is no suspect:

There's a woman. She wants a divorce, because her marriage has been a charade for years. If the divorce goes through, she'll (afaik) receive everything, she brought into the marriage, and half of the material assets acquired during the marriage. She may also be entitled to alimony, equivalent to her previous standard of living.

If fate intervenes, she might marry a very wealthy widower after the divorce. If she was receiving alimony from her ex, that would naturally cease (but only that).

You're suggesting, who would be less happy with a divorce in the last third of their life?

You're suggesting, who has connections to many poor people, who would do a lot for money, or who has acquaintances/relatives in that situation, who already live in France?

MOO
 
  • #631
If ML is no suspect:

There's a woman. She wants a divorce, because her marriage has been a charade for years. If the divorce goes through, she'll (afaik) receive everything, she brought into the marriage, and half of the material assets acquired during the marriage. She may also be entitled to alimony, equivalent to her previous standard of living.

If fate intervenes, she might marry a very wealthy widower after the divorce. If she was receiving alimony from her ex, that would naturally cease (but only that).

You're suggesting, who would be less happy with a divorce in the last third of their life?

You're suggesting, who has connections to many poor people, who would do a lot for money, or who has acquaintances/relatives in that situation, who already live in France?

MOO

Hmmm....

If the divorce is with "Finding of Fault" because of proved extramarital affair of a spouse
I'm not sure of any alimony.
Divorce Lawyers are like hawks fighting for their clients.
It can turn nasty (disclosing unpleasant things)
with long-term financial consequences (alimony, division of property, etc)
Not to mention,
dragging other people as witnesses to Court to testify.

JMO
 
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  • #632
Hmmm....

If the divorce is with "Finding of Fault" because of proved extramarital affair
I'm not sure of any alimony.
Divorce Lawyers are like hawks fighting for their clients.
It can turn nasty,
with long-term financial consequences (alimony, division of property).

JMO
I thought, the concept of fault hadn't been used in divorce law for a long time. I may be wrong. Though alimony maybe is no longer up for debate, if the partner's own future income is taken into account.
 
  • #633
I thought, the concept of fault hadn't been used in divorce law for a long time. I may be wrong. Though alimony maybe is no longer up for debate, if the partner's own future income is taken into account.

What do you mean??? 🤔

The husband didn't want a divorce.
The wife was allegedly having an affair.

Of course,
Divorce Lawyers take advantage of such situation.
No Mercy!!!
Witnesses are dragged to Court to testify.

JMO
 
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  • #634
Divorce in South Africa:

https://www.gov.za/services-residents/relationships/marriage/how-get-divorce

You are entitled to a divorce:

  • If you can prove to a court that you and your spouse can no longer live together and there is no chance of resolving your differences.
  • If one of the spouses is mentally ill or continuously unconscious
You do not have to get your spouse's permission to get a divorce. If your spouse is not willing to get divorced, you can get a divorce granted without his or her consent.

In special circumstances you may get your marriage annulled. An annulment differs from a divorce in that it not only dissolves the marriage but also wipes it off the record.

Legal separation does not exist in South Africa even if you are no longer living with your husband and not divorced. According to the law, you are still married.

You can divorce in either the Regional Court of the Magistrate Court having jurisdiction in your area or in the High Court.

To start the divorce process you need to have a summons served. A divorce summons must be served personally on the defendant by the sheriff of the court.


BBM


More at link


Divorce for expats with one spouse living in SA and the other abroad:

Expat South Africa Divorce
 
  • #635
What do you mean??? 🤔

The husband didn't want a divorce.
The wife was allegedly having an affair.
In most of 21. century western world, if one partner from the marriage wants a divorce, a divorce in granted. There is no trial to shame each other and find out who is "holier than thou". Lets face it, t is never as simple as who "wants a divorce" or who was having an "affair". It's fairly common to not initiate a divorce, but just refuse to do anything to improve the marriage. And IMHO, a break up is nobodys "fault", as no-one is entitled to anyones love - you reap what you sow. It is not an "affair" anyways if the previous relationship has, de facto, ended.

I'm not sure, if they were married in the UK, South Afrca or France? And how does it all work, if you married in one country, live in another and have citizenship or third and assets in fourth and... I assume we must check South African laws:
At divorce spouses can enter into a settlement agreement, referred to as a consent paper, which will regulate the proprietary issues flowing from the termination of their marriage. Settlement is usually achieved through negotiation, mediation, mutual agreement between the spouses or settlement meetings between attorneys The spouses have full contractual freedom to either apply the matrimonial property regime applicable to their marriage or to draw up a settlement agreement that they find better suited to their specific circumstances and needs. The settlement agreement will then be made an order of the court when the decree of divorce is granted. (link)

Sounds similar to my country: when you marry, you choose a propery regime. This regime is applied when you divorce. The reason of the divorce does not influence that regime. (what does influence, is economic violence)
 
  • #636
In most of 21. century western world, if one partner from the marriage wants a divorce, a divorce in granted. There is no trial to shame each other and find out who is "holier than thou". Lets face it, t is never as simple as who "wants a divorce" or who was having an "affair". It's fairly common to not initiate a divorce, but just refuse to do anything to improve the marriage. And IMHO, a break up is nobodys "fault", as no-one is entitled to anyones love - you reap what you sow. It is not an "affair" anyways if the previous relationship has, de facto, ended.

I'm not sure, if they were married in the UK, South Afrca or France? And how does it all work, if you married in one country, live in another and have citizenship or third and assets in fourth and... I assume we must check South African laws:


Sounds similar to my country: when you marry, you choose a propery regime. This regime is applied when you divorce. The reason of the divorce does not influence that regime. (what does influence, is economic violence)

I don't know about
"21 century most Western World" hehe
but I'm currently observing such a nasty divorce happening in my circle of acquaintances in my country.

A wife wants alimony and accuses husband of affairs.
A husband accuses wife of alcoholism.
Etc,etc.
Witnesses testify.

It all comes to MONEY.

Sure,
if a couple agrees to divorce without a battle, they can do it.
Split everything into 2 and say goodbye 👋.

I wrote about divorce in reply to a post about Karen allegedly getting alimony - according to a poster.

Which honestly really surprised me.
And I responded - that was stating my Opinion.

JMO

To add...
If divorce in "21 century Western World" is so seamless and easy
why was it reported Karen was so stressed about it (according to her friend)??

What looks easy on paper
is very different in real life IMO.
 
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  • #637
RSBM

I hadn't thought of the possibility of a serial home wrecker, but your scenario surely is an eye opener. 👍

My doubts are about the sequence of events.
KC and AC lived separate lives while remaining married, and they might simply have gone on doing so.
Did KC file for divorce because of JFG? Or did divorce talks / proceedings start earlier? Reading through the thread, I got the impression that for KC, the divorce was already on the agenda and that developments were stalling, whereas the relationship with JFG was a recent matter, of only a few weeks.

If JFG was not the reason for the divorce, perhaps there was someone else who was? And it did not work out for some reason?

I don’t know how far KG was into the divorce. We probably won’t ever know. I suspect a lot had depended on their visa status and plans, tbh. Something to consider.

AC’s situation is hard. Their kids were of a different age, and while Karen’s older one was quite independent, it might have been so that AC dedicated much time to the two younger ones, the kids finishing school in SA. It could also have been so that for a while, he never spoke to the kids about the rift between him and Karen for their own sake. (Or AC could have honestly viewed it all differently.)

About Karen: It could have been a certain romantic relationship, or a business one. It would be hard to live in a rural area without hiring men to help. Why does hay come to my mind? It is just my perception of a “problem” in rural areas, lol. But there must have been a handyman, and she had a pool…lots of work. She ran a gite.

And, of course, she was an attractive, gracious woman, a Francophile at this…I can imagine that men could show interest. She lived there, off-on, for fifteen years.

One possible version is a very discreet relationship. If so, I’d assume the person wasn’t found in the barn, either, sorry for the pun. (Something to think of.) But he could live outside of Tremolat. She was into wine and had other interests.

Or, there could have been the opposite: many men expressing interest in KC, but they were “from the barn”. She was an environmentalist professor’s wife, so perhaps local butchers, to remember the movie, were not of her social level or didn’t share her interests. So to keep them off, she could have positioned herself as a married mom with four kids, who probably planned to retire with her researcher husband in Dordogne.

So imagine a man, of the same age or younger, developing interest in KC but being kept at a distance by her because she was “a married woman”. To finally realize that she was already far into the divorce and developing a relationship with a well-known local. The local who was cultured, well-traveled, has stories to tell, well-off, a level above many socially. Someone could have hated KC for it.

Also: when a serviceman is interested in a woman, one of the ways to show interest would be to charge less for services. E.g., sell milk or meat at a lower price or charge less for electric work! It is an “I am interested” signal. One of them could have felt “taken for a ride” later, through no Karen’s fault.
 
  • #638
If ML is no suspect:

There's a woman. She wants a divorce, because her marriage has been a charade for years. If the divorce goes through, she'll (afaik) receive everything, she brought into the marriage, and half of the material assets acquired during the marriage. She may also be entitled to alimony, equivalent to her previous standard of living.

If fate intervenes, she might marry a very wealthy widower after the divorce. If she was receiving alimony from her ex, that would naturally cease (but only that).

You're suggesting, who would be less happy with a divorce in the last third of their life?

You're suggesting, who has connections to many poor people, who would do a lot for money, or who has acquaintances/relatives in that situation, who already live in France?

MOO

It just hit me: I don’t know about their legal status. I suspect they had something like “a green card” during COVID hence Karen had to spend 6 months in France but it turned into a year. Were they moving to full citizenship? That’s a huge issue here.

Now KC’s demands in the divorce (all property in France) - could they have eventually deprived her husband of getting full French citizenship? What about the kids? They were living in different countries, scattered all over the world, but maybe dad hoped to eventually gather them on one continent?

I’d maybe ask these questions. Dad was trying to somehow preserve the feeling of the family in children. If the divorce would cut off his chance of getting French citizenship (and then, make it more difficult for the kids) that would hurt.

But this being said, I don’t think it was him. For one, he might still be loving her.
 
  • #639
It just hit me: I don’t know about their legal status. I suspect they had something like “a green card” during COVID hence Karen had to spend 6 months in France but it turned into a year. Were they moving to full citizenship? That’s a huge issue here.

Now KC’s demands in the divorce (all property in France) - could they have eventually deprived her husband of getting full French citizenship? What about the kids? They were living in different countries, scattered all over the world, but maybe dad hoped to eventually gather them on one continent?

I’d maybe ask these questions. Dad was trying to somehow preserve the feeling of the family in children. If the divorce would cut off his chance of getting French citizenship (and then, make it more difficult for the kids) that would hurt.

But this being said, I don’t think it was him. For one, he might still be loving her.

From memory, so you may want to look it up:

KC had British citizenship. This allowed her to live anywhere in the EU. That is, until the UK left the European Union. Big problem for many expats. Then France offered expats the possibility of residency under certain conditions. And next COVID happened.

There is no indication that AC ever wanted French citizenship or live in France as a resident. None of the children live in France either.
 
  • #640
From memory, so you may want to look it up:

KC had British citizenship. This allowed her to live anywhere in the EU. That is, until the UK left the European Union. Big problem for many expats. Then France offered expats the possibility of residency under certain conditions. And next COVID happened.

There is no indication that AC ever wanted French citizenship or live in France as a resident. None of the children live in France either.

I understand. Karen’s parents moved from Britain to SA in the 50-es, didn’t they? So she probably had it through parents.

Kids live in different parts of the world, right. “Residence” and “citizenship” are different things. What about AC?

(One problem that confuses me: he used to live and work in London at one point but there is East London in SA so I get befuddled, tbh. Did he work in Britain for a while or was it SA?)
 

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