France - Karen Carter, 65, stabbed to death, Dordogne, 29 April 2025

Thinking about a contract killing, as in a hired hit man?

I would think such a person would have a gun....fast, immediately lethal, and he doesn't have to touch her, no chance of leaving DNA. Quick and impersonal. Seems to me, there was rage involved in killing this poor woman, it was personal.
Possible a hit man didn't have a gun, used a knife...but she was stabbed in various parts of her body. I think a killer, if experienced and stealthy, would kill her with one lethal stab.

Then again, someone could have been paid to kill her, and it was the person's first time, hence messy.

(thinking aloud....I have no clue really)

I just hope whoever did this is caught to face justice.
One aspect is, that firearms are much much less common in the EU than in the US. It varies by countries a lot (mostly hunting-related) and France has a high firearms prevalence comparing to a lot of the EU, but it is still very far from the US numbers (120 vs 20). So for an amateur hit (friend of a friend type), there simply might not have been a firearm and obtaining one and/or gaining shooting skills is probably both too slow and too easy to connect the dots for the police.

On one hand, the method might also hint at it being impulsive, not planned - just grab a knife and follow her. On the other hand, the timing feels planned - like someone knew her movements and was waiting for her to arrive home. And AFAIK the most dangerous times to be a women are 1. ending a relationship (and 2. being pregnant).

But I have a question about the dog. One article stated that the dog was (still) in the car during the attack (and I very much hope the pup was in a safe place and did not wintess everything close by - dogs are incredible). But didn't the neighbour say in another article, that they saw her walking the dog, then some time passed as the neighbour was watching telly and only then there were police lights flashing? How does that add up timeline-wise (how quickly the friend came to check on her) and how and why did then the dog get back into the car? Is the neighbour simply mistaken or maybe did something get lost in translation? Or is it my memory acting up? :)
 
But I have a question about the dog. One article stated that the dog was (still) in the car during the attack (and I very much hope the pup was in a safe place and did not wintess everything close by - dogs are incredible). But didn't the neighbour say in another article, that they saw her walking the dog, then some time passed as the neighbour was watching telly and only then there were police lights flashing? How does that add up timeline-wise (how quickly the friend came to check on her) and how and why did then the dog get back into the car? Is the neighbour simply mistaken or maybe did something get lost in translation? Or is it my memory acting up? :)
SBM. The neighbor saw her walking the dog earlier in the day. This neighbor likely didn't see/hear her arriving home from her evening out.
 
From the above article:

Monsieur Monribot said it was no secret his sister was in love with Guerrier and claimed that she was dazzled by the wealthy retired businessman.

'He took her to visit chateaux in the Loire and to fancy Paris restaurants. She didn't have much money and she fell for him. She definitely loved him. She'd have done anything for him. But his interest seemed to move on to Karen.'


It appears that there was a prior relationship. Interestingly the brother mentions a slit throat:

Adamant that his sister, a carer, could not have killed Karen even if she'd wanted to, Philippe Monribot told me: 'She's physically weak. She's even scared of the dark. Could someone like that slit a woman's throat? It's impossible. It had to be a man and I don't think it's random.'

Considering the alibis, this might have been done by someone not yet in the picture (IMO).

The guy seems to be village Lothario :rolleyes:

Homme fatal? 🤔

Also,
the woman "madly in love with him"
is described NOW
as not "psychologically"
but "physically" weak.

It makes sense.
Translations sometimes suck.

JMO
 
Last edited:
I was re-watching the video of people joyously dancing at the Cafe Village that included Karen and J-F G, and found it sad and ironic that the song playing at the time was Gloria Gaynor’s “I Will Survive”. :(

Some of the lyrics:

You think I'd lay down and die?
No, not I, I will survive
Long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive
I've got my life to live
And all my love to give and
I will survive
I, I, I will survive…
 
Wow! :oops:

This is new!

"Another theory amongst the village is
that an escaped inmate from a prison 7.5 miles away,
which houses mentally ill patients,
could have randomly ambushed Karen."

 
I wonder if she chose it to be played. A song about a woman finally finding the courage to leave a man who did not treat her very well .



If she chose this song - and we have no way of knowing at all if this was the case - IMO for her it might have something to do with surviving breast cancer. Her husband treated her like a queen.
 
SBM. Or a hunter? Probably a few of those in the countryside.

Yes. One more group that came to mind that knows about vessels are providers of “specialized” meat to vendors or restaurateurs. They are not expected to hunt much.

Someone who knows anatomy and has also handled the knife. This is not their first time, but could have trained on animals before.

Think of it - even if one knows the arteries and the veins location, it is hard to reach them in a strong, by far not petite per photos, trained woman who we may even call “a countrywoman” now. I do hope that the assassin hurt (themselves) as well. Also, while groin area is concerning for many reasons, it might be slightly indicative of the person’s height.

JMO, if J-F was well off and known to be a “ladies man”, someone probably expected a wealthy widower to “keep on playing”. But if this time he fell seriously in love, with KC, and it got known around, maybe the fact that she wanted a divorce was an open secret, then someone who expected to inherit from J-F could get nervous. Maybe much more than AC. JMO.

I don’t think it was a hired assassin, lots of risk. It could be the male relative of the “interested person”, though.
 
Wow! :oops:

This is new!

"Another theory amongst the village is
that an escaped inmate from a prison 7.5 miles away,
which houses mentally ill patients,
could have randomly ambushed Karen."


WAS there an escaped inmate, though? Wouldn’t that have made their news?

jmo
 
I was thinking more about the title, “ I Will Survive”; and that the lyrics said “I’ve got my life to live”…

She was full of life, enjoying it to its fullest. And she did not survive. 😔

Imagine fighting off deadly disease
to become a victim of even more deadlier monstrosity.

May She Rest in Peace now.
 
Her husband treated her like a queen.
And yet, she was very clearly choosing not to live with with him, or to visit him, or even wait until he came to visit to choose a cottage with him...

I'm not arguing that he was treating her badly.

They were supposedly married and clearly, she was behaving as though she weren't married and hadn't been for a long time, which he seems to have gone along with (or perhaps it was vice versa, or mutual).

What keeps such a long-distance / separate lives marriage together (once children are grown)?
IMO: 1. Money, because one person has it and the other depends on them for it and 2. Values that are strongly anti-divorce, perhaps even ''till death do us part".

Another opinion: where there's a will, there's a way.
 
Last edited:
I wonder if she chose it to be played. A song about a woman finally finding the courage to leave a man who did not treat her very well .


Not just my opinion, it's one of the greatest songs of the disco era...which is why it has 12M views on YT. I can't see how to extract a personal message about a crime, out of something so universally popular.

JMO
 
WAS there an escaped inmate, though? Wouldn’t that have made their news?

jmo
Yep, I'm sure the media and police would be well aware if there were an actual escaped inmate on the loose.

I believe this rumour was just a random theory put forward by Karen's neighbour's husband (per the Telegraph article I posted previously)

Part of me wonders if this was deliberate deflection or more likely they didn't want to believe that anyone in their village would be capable of committing such a violent act.
 
Imagining that the murderer was possibly covered in victim's blood,
I wonder how this person skulked away from the crime scene?
On foot I suppose,
as there were no sounds of a car per neighbour's report.

Were there any bloody traces leading from the scene?
Or traces on shrubs, grass?

Did anybody see someone behaving weirdly?
Running away?
Riding a bike in the vicinity?

Could Police dogs catch some scent?

Did the perp just vanish into thin air?

JMO
 
Last edited:
Imagining that the murderer was possibly covered in victim's blood,
I wonder how this person skulked away from the crime scene?
On foot I suppose,
as there were no sounds of a car per neighbour's report.

Were there any bloody traces leading from the scene?
Or traces on shrubs, grass?

Did anybody see someone behaving weirdly?
Running away?
Riding a bike in the vicinity?

Could Police dogs catch some scent?

Did the perp just vanish into thin air?

JMO
In the Anita Rose case (Brantham, Suffolk, UK) it appeared (trial has yet to take place) she was viciously attacked and killed by a beating by a random unhoused man as she was routinely walking her dog in the early morning.

So, someone with no history with Karen, just some random person attacking her (imo) cannot be ruled out, even though police think it was a crime of passion from someone with a grudge.

What is the area like in regards to a homeless population, I wonder. Or violent mentally ill individuals?
 

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
176
Guests online
563
Total visitors
739

Forum statistics

Threads
625,608
Messages
18,506,920
Members
240,822
Latest member
Parisbound
Back
Top