France - Machine Gun attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo #1

[zwiebel]

On-the-run terrorist Hayat Boumeddiene was so hard up she begged her local council for free furniture, it has emerged...

Neither of them worked and a local councillor, who asked not to be named, said: “She came asking for help with furniture and other things to do with her home, as she did not have enough money...

The ethnically diverse town is struggling to come to terms with the evil pair’s “act of war”. '

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-shooting-terrorist-hayat-boumeddiene-4961683

 

[wendiesan]

Thinking of you and your dog. I went through the same thing just before Christmas. My heart goes out to you.

I'm sorry to learn of your loss.
(((zwiebel)))

 

[wendiesan]

At the Golden Globes, George Clooney, Dean Deblois, Jarod Leto, Helen Mirren--Je suis Charlie.

Harvey Weinstein said

“I hope we can all raise glasses and that someone like Tina, Amy or George Clooney will urge us to toast with 300 million viewers around the world: ‘Je suis Charlie, je suis juif, je suis Ahmed.'”

http://deadline.com/2015/01/george-clooney-charlie-hebdo-golden-globes-1201347473/


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...rrorists-Golden-Globes-attack-French-magazine

The Simpsons team stands with Paris as well. This image closed the Appatow story. http://deadline.com/2015/01/je-suis...charlie-hebdo-tribute-judd-apatow-1201347662/

 

[zwiebel]

I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Steve Emerson, the expert who said Birmingham, UK is a no-go area and entirely Muslim. This is trending in the UK and he's really irritated the Brummies (as they are known). People are responding with fairly good natured humor though, which is nice to see. And as Birmingham Children's hospital has got a donation out of this, I think it will end well.

I wouldn't be surprised if an official invites Mr Emerson for a visit, to see Birmingham for himself. If driving, he should google spaghetti junction first though.

Birmingham's population:
Estimated at 1,073,045

White: 621,636, including an Irish community of 22,021
Mixed or multiple ethnic group: 47,605
Indian: 64,621
Pakistani: 144,627
Bangladeshi: 32,532
Chinese: 12,712
Other Asian: 31,148
African: 29,991
Caribbean: 47,641
Other Black: 18,728
Arab: 10,91
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30773297

 

[wendiesan]

At the Golden Globes, Hollywood Foreign Press Association president, Theo Kingma, received a standing ovation for his speech with said in part

“We understand the importance of free expression as not only an integral part of the American fabric, but a beacon that is reflected across the globe.

“Together we will stand united against anyone who would repress free speech anywhere from North Korea to Paris.”

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertain...ation-given-for-hfpa-president-speech-2015111

 

[Colin de France]

At the Golden Globes, Hollywood Foreign Press Association president, Theo Kingma, received a standing ovation for his speech with said in part


http://www.usmagazine.com/entertain...ation-given-for-hfpa-president-speech-2015111

“Together we will stand united against anyone who would repress free speech anywhere from North Korea to Paris.” ............By which route ?

 

[ZaZara]

I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Steve Emerson, the expert who said Birmingham, UK is a no-go area and entirely Muslim. This is trending in the UK and he's really irritated the Brummies (as they are known). People are responding with fairly good natured humor though, which is nice to see. And as Birmingham Children's hospital has got a donation out of this, I think it will end well.
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RSBM

This is what Charlotte Alter wrote in Time:
http://time.com/3658223/we-have-a-free-speech-problem-in-america-too/

Clearly a slaughter of 12 innocent people is countless orders of magnitude more devastating than Internet umbrage. But the motive comes from the same place: the notion that people should be “punished” for making insensitive comments or jokes, that they should pay for their words with their reputations or their jobs. In other words: You said something that offends me, so I will destroy you.

That destruction can take many forms. It could be leaking your emails and destroying your computer systems, as happened to Sony. It could be getting someone fired. It could be destroying someone’s reputation through relentless public Twitter flogging. But we forget that Internet outrage can have real-life victims (and I admit, as a writer, I’ve occasionally forgotten that). We give ourselves license to indulge in these perverse impulses out of a sense of righteousness — Down with sexism! Conquer racism! But destroying lives over objectionable language is just a different form of extremism.


BBM


I joined in the fun of #foxnewsfact for a while, and I'm no Brummie (Brummie??! Heaven forbid! Do not ever call me Brummie!) but even so I asked myself: Why are we doing this? The man made a mistake, he apologized, why can't that be the end of it?

Did anything happen to Birmingham at all? Not that anyone is aware of.
Yet we are upset when we hear about honor killings being carried out to protect some family's reputation.

 

[ZaZara]

An interesting blog on the history of Charlie Hebdo and of Islam, in France in particular.
By: A French leftist who has read Hebdo for years educates those who discovered it three days ago

http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/olivier-tonneau/110115/charlie-hebdo-letter-my-british-friends

Here are some quotes, but do read the entire blog because history and society are always more complicated than quotes may describe:


Firstly, a few words on Charlie Hebdo, which was often “analyzed” in the British press on the sole basis, apparently, of a few selected cartoons. It might be worth knowing that the main target of Charlie Hebdo was the Front National and the Le Pen family. Next came crooks of all sorts, including bosses and politicians (incidentally, one of the victims of the shooting was an economist who ran a weekly column on the disasters caused by austerity policies in Greece). Finally, Charlie Hebdo was an opponent of all forms of organized religions, in the old-school anarchist sense: Ni Dieu, ni maître! They ridiculed the pope, orthodox Jews and Muslims in equal measure and with the same biting tone. They took ferocious stances against the bombings of Gaza. Even if their sense of humour was apparently inacceptable to English minds, please take my word for it: it fell well within the French tradition of satire – and after all was only intended for a French audience. It is only by reading or seeing it out of context that some cartoons appear as racist or islamophobic. Charlie Hebdo also continuously denounced the pledge of minorities and campaigned relentlessly for all illegal immigrants to be given permanent right of stay. I hope this helps you understand that if you belong to the radical left, you have lost precious friends and allies.

(...)

Few people even know today that there was a period, beginning in the mid-ninetieth century to the mid-twentieth century, called the Nadha (Rebirth, or Renaissance), which saw a wide-ranging process of secularisation from Morocco to Turkey. Few people care to remember that, in the 1950s and 60s, women wearing the veil were a small minority in Tunis, Algiers and even Cairo. This does not mean that they were not Muslims, mind you. Just as in the West, where a lot of Christian girls started having sex before marriage or taking the pill, principles were evolving, with some inevitable tensions.

(...)

Let us be clear: fundamentalism is not caused by immigration from Muslim countries. It is very easy to demonstrate this: Muslims migrated in France as early as the 1950s and the issue of fundamentalism only arose in the last fifteen years. Moreover, among the young men who enlist to fight for Daesh, many are actually disenfranchised white youth with no familial links to Islam. Fundamentalism is something new, that exercises a fascination on disenfranchised French youth in general – not on Muslims in general. In fact, the older generation of French Muslims is terrified by the phenomenon. After the killing of Charlie Hebdo, Imams demanded that the government take action against websites and networks propagating fanaticism.


BBM

 

[Waddles]

Waddles, if you are still here, I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of No Go Zones in France or elsewhere in Europe? I just learned about them yesterday and most of the sites that talk about them have a political bent, so I am not sure if it is real or not. Basically, they are areas where only Muslims go and their laws are followed in those areas.

Hi SStarr33, sorry for the delayed response, I needed a good rest after that!
Well there are destitute suburban housing projects where unemployed second and third generation teenagers rule their apartment block, turn to more extreme ideas, terrorise their neighbours, control their sisters' movements and police have been frequently said in the past to steer clear of them and are afraid to even go. Places like Seine Saint Denis where the kids were from who were quoted as saying the cartoonists had it coming. But the specialised forces do still go in all the time, it's a daily war, so not a no go zone I would say. Insight: http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...5-dans-l-enfer-du-93-moi-flic-de-banlieue.php

 

[Hatfield]

Hi SStarr33, sorry for the delayed response, I needed a good rest after that!
Well there are destitute suburban housing projects where unemployed second and third generation teenagers rule their apartment block, turn to more extreme ideas, terrorise their neighbours, control their sisters' movements and police have been frequently said in the past to steer clear of them and are afraid to even go. Places like Seine Saint Denis where the kids were from who were quoted as saying the cartoonists had it coming. But the specialised forces do still go in all the time, it's a daily war, so not a no go zone I would say. Insight: http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...5-dans-l-enfer-du-93-moi-flic-de-banlieue.php

That was more my interpretation too when I first heard of these "no go zones".

Does the government in France allow them to pracitce Sharia law and have Sharia Courts in them?
Meaning, do they allow them to carry out sentences against their own people?

Or is it maybe done under-the-table and the government is aware and they dont do anything about it?

 

[Hatfield]

John Kerry says he'll be in France Friday and criticism of the lack of show of a senior US figure yesterday is 'quibbling', as the US is 'deeply engaged'.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/1...er=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0&referrer=

It is much more than "quibbling" as news people in the US are beginning to make quite a big deal now.
I noticed it myself yesterday while watching the France march of the leaders and I was very upset our US leaders were not present. I think they are way too "reactionary" and never seem to be on top of what is really important.

 

[Colin de France]

This is the first day after the march where nearly 4 million turned out on the streets across France, i even went on our local march which was well turned out. Today i'm lost, i wonder what it was all about, me being English living in France, i feel that i could be accused of gate crashing, that it wasn't my party, i'm trying to work out if there really was one centralised theme to which it could be identified, such as the values of the republic, something new, or maybe just a mixture, like freedom of expression and no to terrorism etc. So who really were the marchers, why were they there, was it a reaction from the shock of the attack, was it knee-jerk, was there a political bias, a political agenda, but lastly and above all, will it last ? ...........

 

[Hatfield]

This is the first day after the march where nearly 4 million turned out on the streets across France, i even went on our local march which was well turned out. Today i'm lost, i wonder what it was all about, me being English living in France, i feel that i could be accused of gate crashing, that it wasn't my party, i'm trying to work out if there really was one centralised theme to which it could be identified, such as the values of the republic or was it a mixture, such as freedom of expression, no to terrorism etc etc. So who really were the marchers, why were they there, was it a reaction from the shock of the attack, was it knee-jerk, was there a political bias, a political agenda, but lastly and above all, will it last ? ...........

I think to put it simply it was "ALL" people coming together to show support for a free society and also provide a message that we must come together in order to stop the people who are threatening and harming that free society.

I saw a live interview of a muslim woman who was there, so there must have been people of all faiths present. I was hoping to see more interviews like that but I only watched the live scenes for about 2 hours.

It was amazing and inspiring. I think the people did the right thing by coming together.

I am so disappointed that our US president was not present. It was a perfect opportunity for him to do the right thing and show support. We have been fighting the extremists a lot, so I am so disappointed he was not present. Even if he had some type of conflict, he surely should have sent someone like vice president to be part of the march of the leaders. I dont understand why he was not there and am extremely disappointed. I do wonder if he was just scared and since he didnt have control of security, maybe he just chickened out. I honestly wonder this.

 

[Hatfield]

Just an observation regarding security at the event, I noticed something interesting. There were many empty balconies of the rows of apartments that overlooked the square near where that statue was. The area where that statue where people were hanging onto the statue.

I am wondering if police had a security policy during the event to not allow people on their own balconies. There were some, but very few. I think of the few who were seen on the balconies, I think some of those looked like police too. They were mostly empty balconies.

 

[Footwarrior]

Next year Fox News should visit and report on Birmingham's Christmas Market.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

A Jewish neighbourhood watch group has stepped up security - and they have patrol cars in London http://t.co/174X5dkxRR http://t.co/yUKHxLT9zN


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[Peliman]

Next year Fox News should visit and report on Birmingham's Christmas Market.

Is something important happening? Like a visit by Obama, Biden, Kerry or Holder?

 

[Fifth Avenue]

I am thinking since Obama has many times addressed the issue, even at United Nations, saying 'Future must not belong to those who slander Islamic prophet' , perhaps he felt Charlie Hedbo was a prophet slanderer and that's why he prefered not to go.
He could have sent Kerry, Biden or any other top official though.
This is unfortunate as many conspiracy theorists now think US had something to do with the attack since Obama admin was notably absent.


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[Boodles]

It's unbelievable to me that the amazing event in Paris yesterday can be twisted from a positive into a negative media campaign against Obama and the US. I don't know why I continue to be surprised by everything turning into an Obama slam. Have Americans nothing better to do?

 

[Peliman]

It's unbelievable to me that the amazing event in Paris yesterday can be twisted from a positive into a negative media campaign against Obama and the US. I don't know why I continue to be surprised by everything turning into an Obama slam. Have Americans nothing better to do?

Just disappointment , my heart goes out to what happened in your country.