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EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT AL-SISI: WE MUST REVOLUTIONIZE OUR RELIGION

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4704.htm

In a speech delivered at Al-Azhar on December 28, Egyptian President Abd Al-Fattah Al-Sisi called to combat extremist ideology and said: "We need to revolutionize our religion." Calling for "religious discourse that is in keeping with its times," Al-Sisi warned that "the Islamic nation is being torn apart and destroyed" by extremism.

Following are excerpts:

Abd Al-Fattah Al-Sisi: We spoke earlier about the importance of the religious discourse, and I would like to reiterate that we are not doing enough with regard to true religious discourse. The problem has never been with our faith. Perhaps the problem lies in ideology, and this ideology is sanctified among us. I am talking about religious discourse that is in keeping with its times.

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I am adressing the religious scholars and clerics. We must take a long, hard look at the current situation. I have talked about this several times in the past. We must take a long, hard look at the situation we are in. It is inconceivable that the ideology we sanctify should make our entire nation a source of concern, danger, killing, and destruction all over the world. It is inconceivable that this ideology… I am referring not to "religion," but to "ideology" – the body of ideas and texts that we have sanctified in the course of centuries, to the point that challenging them has become very difficult.

It has reached the point that [this ideology] is hostile to the entire world. Is it conceivable that 1.6 billion [Muslims] would kill the world's population of seven billion, so that they could live [on their own]? This is inconceivable. I say these things here, at Al-Azhar, before religious clerics and scholars. May Allah bear witness on Judgment Day to the truth of your intentions, regarding what I say to you today. You cannot see things clearly when you are locked [in this ideology]. You must emerge from it and look from outside, in order to get closer to a truly enlightened ideology. You must oppose it with resolve. Let me say it again: We need to revolutionize our religion.

Honorable Imam [the Grand Sheik of Al-Azhar], you bear responsibility before Allah. The world in its entirety awaits your words, because the Islamic nation is being torn apart, destroyed, and is heading to perdition. We ourselves are bringing it to perdition.


BBM

Watch the video at the link. One general telling a room full of clergy they need urgent change.
Egypt made the list of 'Staunch defenders of the free press' that I circulated this weekend, maybe we should also look beyond that.
 
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Wow, I had no idea about this. Horrifying.

This has been known for months now. I'm glad people are finding out what a filthy little PC world we're living in. Even so, some will cry racism and others will dance to their tune.
 
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wow. i am going to do this with you all. my dog , 23, is dying. If i call closer people, they are going to come, rush to a vet, she is gong to have to sit there 2 hours , vet will come in , say its time.

I am so overwhelmed, but i am glad i have elected to do it this way. There is no pain, she is just sooooo tired, her eyes are vacent, she knows, i know, she knows i know, and i know she lnows i know, but we are in our own way ok if that makes any sense.

oh my my my

That's tough Cariis. 23 years is a long time. I'm sure you're doing the right thing. Hang in there :hug:
 
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wow. i am going to do this with you all. my dog , 23, is dying. If i call closer people, they are going to come, rush to a vet, she is gong to have to sit there 2 hours , vet will come in , say its time.

I am so overwhelmed, but i am glad i have elected to do it this way. There is no pain, she is just sooooo tired, her eyes are vacent, she knows, i know, she knows i know, and i know she lnows i know, but we are in our own way ok if that makes any sense.

oh my my my

Oh I'm so sorry!! You're so lucky to have her with you so long. (((Hugs)))
 
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wow. i am going to do this with you all. my dog , 23, is dying. If i call closer people, they are going to come, rush to a vet, she is gong to have to sit there 2 hours , vet will come in , say its time.

I am so overwhelmed, but i am glad i have elected to do it this way. There is no pain, she is just sooooo tired, her eyes are vacent, she knows, i know, she knows i know, and i know she lnows i know, but we are in our own way ok if that makes any sense.

oh my my my
:grouphug: CARIIS, I feel your pain, I lost 2 fur babies in 2014 because of cancer. You are so lucky to have had her so long. Sending warm thoughts to you.
 
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EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT AL-SISI: WE MUST REVOLUTIONIZE OUR RELIGION

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/4704.htm

In a speech delivered at Al-Azhar on December 28, Egyptian President Abd Al-Fattah Al-Sisi called to combat extremist ideology and said: "We need to revolutionize our religion." Calling for "religious discourse that is in keeping with its times," Al-Sisi warned that "the Islamic nation is being torn apart and destroyed" by extremism.

Snipped by me

Watch the video at the link. One general telling a room full of clergy they need urgent change.
Egypt made the list of 'Staunch defenders of the free press' that I circulated this weekend, maybe we should also look beyond that.

Thank you for sharing that, it was heartening to hear his speech.
 
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Here is a documentary on Muslim extremists in Luton, UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps

The sad thing is these extremists are preaching "Non Muslims can go to hell" not only to other followers but to their children who they bring along to the marches right here on the streets of the UK.
 
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They did .. they should have been there.
 
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Cariis hugs
 
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But, at least in France they are real and have an official name. Senitive Urban Zones are what they are called. I have yet to really determine whether they are actually as are being described on various sites as "No Go Zones". There is a policy behind them. It's a little hard to find since I don't read French But there are some sites with info in English.

http://www.insee.fr/en/methodes/default.asp?page=definitions/zone-urbaine-sensible.htm

Sensitive urban zone / ZUS
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Definition

Sensitive urban zones (ZUS) are infra-urban territories defined by the authorities as being priority targets for urban policy, according to local factors relating to the difficulties that the inhabitants of these territories are experiencing.

The law of 14 November 1996 to implement an urban policy recovery agreement distinguishes three levels of intervention :

- sensitive urban zones (ZUS) ;
- urban regeneration zones (ZRU) ;
- free urban zones (ZFU).

Characterised by increasingly extensive fiscal and social measures, the three levels of intervention, ZUS, ZRU and ZFU, aim to respond to the various levels of difficulty experienced in these districts.

There is a list of all of them...in French. http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/ I don't think, think being the operative word, that they are all Muslim majority areas. It sounds more like depressed areas, some of which are Muslim. I don't know specifically how they are treated but there seems to be an emphasis on local involvement so it may be that certain areas have developed unique systems of an Islamic nature but I'm not convinced that these are truly "No Go" zones where the police and government exert no control.

This seemed to be the most unbiased info source. http://www.booksandideas.net/Urban-Policy-in-France-and-Great-2359.htmlBut it also was more concerned with comparing English & French urban policy. Which likely makes sense as that is really what this was all about. Sort of like zones in the US targeted for special programs for economic reasons.

...ambitious programs for regenerating dozens neighbourhoods among the poorest in each country. These programs were subsequently renewed and expanded through vast national plans aimed at reducing territorial inequalities. ....

Breaking with previous programs, to which the state had never devoted significant resources, the national program for urban renewal and solidarity launched in 1999 by Claude Bartolone called for the mobilization of nearly five billion euros between 2000 and 2006 for 80 of the most afflicted neighbourhood’s in France’s main urban centers. This unprecedented effort was extended and broadened in 2003 by the Borloo Act which, inspired by the NSNR, assigned urban policy the unprecedented goal of narrowing the gap between the 750 “sensitive urban zones” (zones urbaines sensibles or ZUS) and the rest of the country while also transforming this policy’s institutional design by introducing new institutions and neo-managerial tools (agencies, competitive bidding, performance indicators, awards for best practices, etc.) imported from Great Britain.

The conclusion in the article was that France's program didn't work so well, although what actually happened escapes me due to the non-specificity provided:

The National Observatory of Sensitive Urban Zones (Observatoire National des Zones Urbaines Sensibles) established, year after year, that gaps had stagnated or increased between the 750 targeted neighbourhoods and their environments. Unlike its British counterpart, French urban policy did not succeed in reducing territorial inequalities. That said, it unquestionably changed these neighbourhoods. This was notably the case of the PNRU, which radically altered the quality of life in hundreds of neighbourhoods, even if it failed to restore social mix.

So, based on the limited info available, I think the "No Go" stuff is probably too simplistic. I don't see "no go" as the state policy. Now, it may have had aspects of that in the way it was implemented as part of "empowering" the community. But there was an actual program and it does not appear to be limited in any way to Muslim areas. THe only real "no go" horror stories appear on sites pretty committed to an agenda. Doesn't mean they're wrong. But I found little in the way of "proof" and more in the way of "conclusions" unsupported by facts.

I would caveat that by saying I do believe there are large Muslim majority housing projects where there is high crime and non-residents are unlikely to go and be safe, but not sure it's based on being Muslim per se. Seems more like a criminal element. There were large riots involving those projects back in 2005 and also in 2013. But I haven't seen anything credible that indicates an Islamic state has been established in these projects.

2013 Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/02/france-suburbs_n_3694867.html

Two weeks after a spurt of rioting in a far-flung Paris suburb, President Francois Hollande is injecting a new dose of funds to help cure one of France's most persistent problem areas – the suburban housing projects with their volatile mix of joblessness, high immigration, crime and despair.

The Socialist government is counting on state-sponsored jobs and improved lodging to help the millions of people living in pockets of poverty that ring major cities. Many are immigrants from former French colonies in Muslim North Africa who suffer from discrimination, notably in their search for jobs.





Maybe he was thinking Birmingham MI instead of Dearborn MI and then got really confused because he was talking about Birmingham UK:)

But in all seriousness, this is why I was asking if the No Go zone thing is real because the only places I have seen it are on political sites and Fox.
 
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WTH were they thinking?

America snubs historic Paris rally: Holder was there but skipped out early, Kerry was in India, Obama and Biden just stayed home


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Holder, Obama's longest-serving cabinet member, was pictured shaking hands with French officials after the event, but he slipped away – as did Mayorgas – before the march kicked off around 3:00 p.m.
 
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Rough week. Severe insoniac. Been doing Lunesta for 7 years. So tired. But I think I want to sit with her until. Then it is do I want to be there at the last breath. Then it is if I take the Lunesta, tomm am I going to regret not staying up . Just going all over the place . She is dreaming now, differently than ever before, tired............

but then its like no i want to talk to her then its like let her rest then its like i may not be able to talk to her if i take the luensta and wake up in 5 hrs
 
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Australia snubbed it too considering they sent someone we never heard of while Julie Bishop was at the Polo! Why?
 
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(((Cariis)))
 
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wow. i am going to do this with you all. my dog , 23, is dying. If i call closer people, they are going to come, rush to a vet, she is gong to have to sit there 2 hours , vet will come in , say its time.

I am so overwhelmed, but i am glad i have elected to do it this way. There is no pain, she is just sooooo tired, her eyes are vacent, she knows, i know, she knows i know, and i know she lnows i know, but we are in our own way ok if that makes any sense.

oh my my my

Thinking of you and your dog. I went through the same thing just before Christmas. :( My heart goes out to you.
 
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