Friday With Nancy.. NG Friday Sept 5, 2008 8PM EST

[sweetmop]

Old timers here. Question, please. Isn't choloroform what they used to embalm frogs and fetal pigs when we were in biology?

Wasn't that formaldahyde?

 

[OakIceShimmer]

The Chloroform fumes were in the trunk. George drove with the windows open because of the odor.

All we know about the timing of the computer searches is that they took place sometime prior to Casey being arrested the first time. I have a difficult time believing that in the brief amount of time after George picked up the car and before police arrived he not only looked up how to use chloroform as a cleaning agent (on Casey's computer) but also just procured some.

Can't keep up with you guys during the show.

Plus IF he cleaned with chloroform with the garage door closed, he would have become very ill, at the very least he would have kept passing out. The neighbours could have possibly smelled it too. The smell is unforgettable and distinctive but not like decomp. If you were going to clean the trunk of a car would you not use carpet cleaner first or possibly carbon tetrachloride ie dry cleaning solution also very unique smell not to be breathed in closed environment. Need to see all internet searches: are we looking for ways to denature DNA or ways to clean or how to use cholroform? It is not common to use straight chlor for cleaning and the amounts in a cleaning solution would not be enough to give the results so far obtained. My two cents.

 

[RR0004]

It's just that the defense, instead of paying for a service to bounce defense ideas off of to see if the public will buy it, are IMO, using posters at WS to do the same thing for free. KWIM?

Yea...and they appear late at night.

 

[Leila]

I think so. Decomp is a bad smell. George did get nauseous driving the car home. From the smell or chloroform?

That was one of the first things I thought about when I learned about the chloroform............George said that car smelled so bad he had to drive it home with the windows down and he got nauseous.

 

[SuziQ]

Then I wonder if it's possible Caylee somehow came upon this chloroform while alone in the car, opened the bottle, or the bottle combusted. Just thinking out loud how so much choloroform could be in the air.

Maybe Casey was a huffer and Caylee got into it. Kids always want to do what they see their parents doing. Or maybe Casey had a more sinister reason for the chloroform. I'm still trying to figure out what the connection to the chloroform is.

 

[fixingtoburst]

Wait. KC worked for Kodak at one point, right? And chloroform is used in photography.

 

[lostnfound85]

Chloroform is not a cleaner, CAsey would have been much better off using clorox if that was the intent. What's wrong with the theory that she killed Caylee with the chloroform in the house , and spilled some in the trunk in transporting it to and from the house?

 

[jeannebreault]

wouldn't it be great if caylee could have a great homecoming in the end of all of this?

Honestly, I don't know how great it would be! I'm not sure living with the Anthony's would be all that great!

 

[EastSideOfSaddness]

With all the safe and legal degreasers on the market there would be no reason for George to use a dangerous product like Chloroform.

Makes sense Chilly Willy, thanks. What are your thoughts on the picture that Ricardo Morales has on his Facebook? Have you seen it? It says "Win her over with chloroform". I just find that soooooo strange since you just don't really hear of it nowadays. :waitasec:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Formaldahyde is what was used in biology class for the frogs etc.

I think formaldahyde was used to "pickle" the dead things. Chloroform was used to render them unconscious, but still alive

 

[Chilly Willy]

What about a stain that may have seeped into the carpet coming from a decomposing body that someone really, really, really wanted to clean up thoroughly?

I'm no expert in cleaning up decomp, but I think an enzymatic cleanser would be your best bet.

 

[fixingtoburst]

Is it possible she could have stole some from her job or had someone steal her some at some point?

 

[panthera]

My understanding is that the smell of chloroform is obvious and not unpleasant. It's a rather clean sweet smell.

Also, to use enough to clean or coverup with would have knocked out whoever was doing the cleaning.

It takes only a few drops to knock someone out. And then it would only knock someone out for 20 minutes.

I seriously doubt it was used for cleaning. But what I am wondering, is if such a large amount was in the trunk to keep Caylee sedated, which was enough to kill her? Also, did I hear Dr. Kobilinsky mention on Nancy's show earlier this week something about ethanol and bleach could give the same test result as chloroform? If Casey had filled gas cans in the trunk, there's ethanol in gasoline.

 

[liltigress]

We need to know date of computer search and whether buying sources were searched.

It doesn't seem to fit that the computer search was for its use as a cleaner. Do you think she already had access to chloroform and then computer searched to find out if it would be a good cleaner?

I have thought she may have had some sticky fingers while at the tattoo shop she hung out at. It's been said that they carry it. I haven't done enough research on it to know much about that though.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Makes sense Chilly Willy, thanks. What are your thoughts on the picture that Ricardo Morales has on his Facebook? Have you seen it? It says "Win her over with chloroform". I just find that soooooo strange since you just don't really hear of it nowadays. :waitasec:

Probably just an unfortunate coincidence. He probably found the pic online somewhere and thought it was funny, as only a guy would.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Is just found a very interesting site about chloroform. It is called 5 ways to clean up DNA sample. Here is the link http://bitesizebio.com/2007/10/25/5-ways-to-clean-up-a-dna-sample. I do believe this was used after the body was out of the trunk to hide any DNA that might have been left from Caylee. I don't really think it was Casey that did the searching either because the car was at the house and she was probable already in jail. I am also really starting to believe their is someone else involved either Cindy or George.

I have always believed George cleaned out the trunk. I have also always thought he may have hidden Caylee's body after he found out what she had done.

The clothes and gas can that was found at Blanchard Park extension by J. Jordan probably came out of Casey's trunk. It is odd there has been no statement by LE about it.

I believe that the entire family might know now exactly what happened.

 

[lostnfound85]

Is it possible she could have stole some from her job or had someone steal her some at some point?

My guess this is more likely than her buying it online.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Is it possible she could have stole some from her job or had someone steal her some at some point?

Job? What job?

 

[MD MOMMY]

Maybe Casey was a huffer and Caylee got into it. Kids always want to do what they see their parents doing. Or maybe Casey had a more sinister reason for the chloroform. I'm still trying to figure out what the connection to the chloroform is.

I have a hard time believing it was used as a drug of choice. At least around here it's not the "in" drug. People that huff anything around here are considered bottem of the barrel. I can't see Casey "stooping" to huff. IMO she seems like status is important to her.

I still don't have a complete opinion on what it was used either. I flip flop.

 

[Patty G]

http://www.npi.gov.au/database/substance-info/profiles/23.html
Common uses of Chloroform

Chloroform is primarily used in the production of refrigerants (e.g. chlorofluorocarbon (CFC)-22, fluorocarbon-22), in the production of plastics (especially vinyl chloride) and in the manufacture of other chemicals. Chloroform is used as an extraction solvent for fats, oils, greases, rubber, waxes, gutta-percha, resins, lacquers, floor polishes, artificial silk manufacture, gums and adhesives. It is utilised as an industrial solvent in the extraction and purification of some antibiotics, alkaloids, vitamins and flavours. It is used as a solvent in organic chemistry, in photography and in making dyes, drugs and pesticides. Other uses are as a dry cleaning agent to remove spots, as a fumigant and in fire extinguishers to lower the freezing temperature of carbon tetrachloride. Chloroform formulated with other ingredients is used to control screw worm in animals. Chloroform is steadily being replaced by less toxic solvents and may no longer be used in some of these applications. Its use as an inhaled anaesthetic during surgery has already been largely discontinued.