"G (Guilty)" vs "NG (Not Guilty)" Where do you stand? #3

[Beatrice]

100% guilty!​

 

[BeanE]

I won't mention how after the 'mean' 'interrogation', Appy Wells asked questions in a 'nice' way, and KC lied to him, even telling him that she worked at Universal, went to Valencia, etc.

Nope. Not gonna say a word about it.

 

[marspiter]

What exactly is the legal definition of a "mean" interrogation? Is that something coverned the Geneva Convention? Perhaps it's covered in the policies and procedures manuals of the local law enforcement agencies.

Just wondering because I've never heard that one before. What constitutes a "mean" interrogation? Does it involve phone books, sodium penathol, cigarettes, perhaps jumper cables, bamboo canes, and the like?

In all due seriousness LE conducted themselves very professionally given the circumstances. Just imagine a LE officer trying to get to the bottom of a 2 year old child missing and all the mother has told them is the non-sense that Casey has spewed. They didn't even get that harsh with her really. Personally I thought they handled her to delicately.....soap wrapped in a towel comes to mind...no bruising. The soap part is in jest btw.

 

[knt]

I won't mention how after the 'mean' 'interrogation', Appy Wells asked questions in a 'nice' way, and KC lied to him, even telling him that she worked at Universal, went to Valencia, etc.

Nope. Not gonna say a word about it.

That was classic KC! She had a new person in the room, and she reverted right back into the story she just admitted was a lie two minutes previously. :waitasec: Didn't matter that the new person was LE, or that the other officers would be stepping right back into the room momentarily, or that it was all being taped, she just went right back to talking about her fake phone in her fake office.

I have a feeling Notthatsmart can set us straight on this. Maybe it was a conspiracy by Universal. Maybe they wrote a script where KC was forced to "lie" and say she really didn't have an office there. Maybe Universal is really Zanny!!! I think I've solved it! :takeabow:

 

[Rlaub44]

It is their job to ask questions and try to find Caylee. It doesn't have to be done in the manner that it was done. In fact , they blew it. Now they can't even talk to her.

I guess it is hard for me to imagine any reason not to help investigators who are trying to find your missing child... unless you are the reason that child is missing.

Moreover, now that KC has been imprisoned for all this time, again, why would she not want to tell what she knows if it will clear her name? Please don't tell me that JB won't allow it; he works for her, and it is clear that KC is not a shrinking violet who would permit her attorney to keep her from getting her story out there.

No, in my opinion, there is only one reason, no matter how mean you feel the investigators are, to conceal the truth. It is because she is guilty, and for once in her evil life, she isn't able to lie her way out of this jam. Yuri and the rest of LE aren't as willing to overlook the obvious as her family had always been, and in her mind, since that is the only game she knows, she has to play it out until the end.

Especially while she still has her parents wrapped around her little finger, refusing as always to hold her accountable for any of her actions. JMO.

 

[Friday]

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I actually agree with this. I do think that if the police spoke to her and handled her in a different fashion, they could have garnered more pertinent information. Her mind working against her inconsistent statements would have caught her up and ultimately hung herself without the drag on case that it became....I believe that if it were the FBI instead of the OCSO interrogating Casey, they would have had the knowledge to approach her in a different manner. I wouldn't go so far as to say OCSO made a mistake the way the questioned her in the beginning, just that knowledge is in hindsight now & would probably learn from this and handle it differently in the future. I, for one, applaud them for not wringing her scrawny neck for the goosechase she led them on.

I suspect OSCO has wished many times that they'd handled KC differently during those first few days. LOL However, with a missing 2 year old their first priority and with time being critical, they came down hard on KC--as they should have done, and expected her to "crack" and tell the truth -- which would normally be the result from a perky, petite, cute 22 year old who'd never even had a brush with the law.

Of course they knew right off she was lying, and they knew about the smell in the Pontiac, but they understandably attributed her ridiculously transparent lies to fear of admitting she'd let an accident happen to Caylee.

I often wonder how long it took before they fully realized that pretty little Casey Anthony was not only cheerfully ruthless and chillingly unrepentant, she was also just as tough as the most hardened criminal.

 

[cecybeans]

Yes, but I would have done it differently. I would be nice about it. I would give her time to answer each and every question. I understand Casey may have had some information that could have helped. It it so sad that they blew it when they started interrogating her in that fashion. Huge mistake on their part. You can ask tough questions in a kind manner.

I love it. Let's blame LE for a grown woman lying to them because they didn't ask her nicely enough or say "please"! Let's blame an interrogator for not using velvet gloves and acting sweet. They had already wasted the good part of a day with her on the notion that her child had been missing for 31 days and she was too afraid of mommy to admit it. What is she, 12? Every instance they gave her time to talk, she just loaded up the conversation with more useless lies and details, like the "call" she had the day before from Caylee (which appeared conveniently in the questioning after LE hinted that something might have happened to Caylee that KC would be afraid to admit). If that call had actually happened, LE would have been told the night before all about it. And how strange that KC's description of the call sounds like someone who just watched the video from Mt. Dora. I've heard better b.s. from kindergarten students.

If there had been a male suspect (including a predator type) sitting in the office in Universal, I guarantee you nobody on the planet would expect LE to serve tea and scones.

When you are an adult and you lie to LE you take what you get. It's a crime to lie to LE. It's a waste of taxpayer money, too, so it's really a crime to society. Once again, Balloon Boy Dad. The only reason he is not getting jail time is his wife might be deported and his kids sent to foster care (although you can rest assured DCS will be checking in often).

So are you saying that KC should have been treated special - unlike other criminals who steal, commit check fraud and lie - simply because she is an adult female? LE had already checked out her facts before they ever got to Universal. They had talked to people at Sawgrass and all kinds of others. They were looking for a child KC had refused to report "missing" and she was not cooperating in the least. Who is more important at that point? A rambling, giggling, prevaricating mother or the innocent toddler who has never been able to say a word or ask for help? Wow, I think I'd side with the toddler on this one and not the overly-coddled adult who was responsible for her safety and well-being and failed.

 

[BeanE]

Didn't KC tell her mom and dad that Appy was nice and different from the 'mean interrogators' in a jailhouse visit? Only she called him Happy instead of his actual nickname.

I may be spelling his nickname wrong. Could be Appie.

I'll dig up transcripts of his nice interrogation and the jail visit if anyone is interested. Just PM me.

 

[notthatsmart]

It is my opinion Casey Anthony is guilty. I formed my opinion from the evidence to date made available to the public. It is also my opinion when the Jury looks at the totality of the evidence, they may come to the same conclusion. I am also aware that some people may have formed an opinion beforehand because of a prejudice against members of Law Enforcement in general. I'm sure you will agree,it would be unfortunate, for a person with a prejudice against LE in general, to serve as a juror on this case.

I agree that it would be difficult for me to get on that jury, as it would most here. The defense will cross examine LE and the jury will see it. They will form their opinions at that point. I think there is much more than LE doing a bad job in a lot of these cases.(IE OJ) I think that LE is responding to pressure from above and that is where the problem is. It is the hand that feeds you. Want to make big brother happy. It is a natural phenomina that lurks in the shadows.

My own opinion in the beginning was that she was guilty. It is all the evidence that has put me on the other side.

 

[notthatsmart]

I love it. Let's blame LE for a grown woman lying to them because they didn't ask her nicely enough or say "please"! Let's blame an interrogator for not using velvet gloves and acting sweet. They had already wasted the good part of a day with her on the notion that her child had been missing for 31 days and she was too afraid of mommy to admit it. What is she, 12? Every instance they gave her time to talk, she just loaded up the conversation with more useless lies and details, like the "call" she had the day before from Caylee (which appeared conveniently in the questioning after LE hinted that something might have happened to Caylee that KC would be afraid to admit). If that call had actually happened, LE would have been told the night before all about it. And how strange that KC's description of the call sounds like someone who just watched the video from Mt. Dora. I've heard better b.s. from kindergarten students.

If there had been a male suspect (including a predator type) sitting in the office in Universal, I guarantee you nobody on the planet would expect LE to serve tea and scones.

When you are an adult and you lie to LE you take what you get. It's a crime to lie to LE. It's a waste of taxpayer money, too, so it's really a crime to society. Once again, Balloon Boy Dad. The only reason he is not getting jail time is his wife might be deported and his kids sent to foster care (although you can rest assured DCS will be checking in often).

So are you saying that KC should have been treated special - unlike other criminals who steal, commit check fraud and lie - simply because she is an adult female? LE had already checked out her facts before they ever got to Universal. They had talked to people at Sawgrass and all kinds of others. They were looking for a child KC had refused to report "missing" and she was not cooperating in the least. Who is more important at that point? A rambling, giggling, prevaricating mother or the innocent toddler who has never been able to say a word or ask for help? Wow, I think I'd side with the toddler on this one and not the overly-coddled adult who was responsible for her safety and well-being and failed.

And I will say with all that being said, they lost Casey at that point. I don't think they should use that tactic in that situation. It was a bad decision on their part and that makes me question their ability to find the truth. These are some of the reasons I believe she is NG.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I love it. Let's blame LE for a grown woman lying to them because they didn't ask her nicely enough or say "please"! Let's blame an interrogator for not using velvet gloves and acting sweet. They had already wasted the good part of a day with her on the notion that her child had been missing for 31 days and she was too afraid of mommy to admit it. What is she, 12? Every instance they gave her time to talk, she just loaded up the conversation with more useless lies and details, like the "call" she had the day before from Caylee (which appeared conveniently in the questioning after LE hinted that something might have happened to Caylee that KC would be afraid to admit). If that call had actually happened, LE would have been told the night before all about it. And how strange that KC's description of the call sounds like someone who just watched the video from Mt. Dora. I've heard better b.s. from kindergarten students.

If there had been a male suspect (including a predator type) sitting in the office in Universal, I guarantee you nobody on the planet would expect LE to serve tea and scones.

When you are an adult and you lie to LE you take what you get. It's a crime to lie to LE. It's a waste of taxpayer money, too, so it's really a crime to society. Once again, Balloon Boy Dad. The only reason he is not getting jail time is his wife might be deported and his kids sent to foster care (although you can rest assured DCS will be checking in often).

So are you saying that KC should have been treated special - unlike other criminals who steal, commit check fraud and lie - simply because she is an adult female? LE had already checked out her facts before they ever got to Universal. They had talked to people at Sawgrass and all kinds of others. They were looking for a child KC had refused to report "missing" and she was not cooperating in the least. Who is more important at that point? A rambling, giggling, prevaricating mother or the innocent toddler who has never been able to say a word or ask for help? Wow, I think I'd side with the toddler on this one and not the overly-coddled adult who was responsible for her safety and well-being and failed.

Yes, they obviously are supposed to wheedle and plead, so as to not upset Casey, for the information that will help them find this 'missing/kidnapped' child. That is the way her mother dealt with her - witness the 'Well, Sweetheart (in a plaintiff voice) we don't know what your involvement in all this is- if you hadn't kept lying to them about everything" remark that Cindy made in the call from jail.

 

[Cat13067]

I was referring to the interrogation out at Universal which is linked in this thread.It is my opinion and interpretation that they were mean to her. Yes I agree that they have a right to ask her questions. And yes they have a right to accuse her of all kinds of lies even though they didn't know at that point and still don't what the truth is. Yes, they have every right to do these things. I never said waterboarding, however I don't believe this type of interrogation works. Now , with that being said and that they have the right to interrogate in this fashion, they will have to and have suffered the consequences of their actions. IE lost any chance of talking to Casey, a couple of weeks later, lost any chance of talking to her family. Those are huge losses. I consider this a very bad tactic, and not effective at all.

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/CaseyAnthonyjuly16universal.wma

Your statement is not entirely true. KC did say that she liked Happy Wells and would be glad to talk to him. If I'm not mistaken he was one of the mean cops that went to Universal to help find her missing daughter.

 

[capps]

I agree that it would be difficult for me to get on that jury, as it would most here. The defense will cross examine LE and the jury will see it. They will form their opinions at that point. I think there is much more than LE doing a bad job in a lot of these cases.(IE OJ) I think that LE is responding to pressure from above and that is where the problem is. It is the hand that feeds you. Want to make big brother happy. It is a natural phenomina that lurks in the shadows.

My own opinion in the beginning was that she was guilty. It is all the evidence that has put me on the other side.

Can you point out what evidence points to Casey not being guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[cecybeans]

Interesting. Most people I've talked to have said it was the 31 days, lying to LE about a nanny nobody had ever seen, and that nasty, hateful, self-absorbed call she made to her folks from jail, in which clearly the only important thing to KC was getting her boyfriend's number, and in which she sounds exasperated that Kristina is more concerned about Caylee than she is about KC which did it for them. She was horrible, self-centered and completely unconcerned about the pain on her mother's face in the jail visits, too. I wanted to reach in the screen and slap her when she laughed about her mother crying already. It only confirmed the impression everyone got from the very first that this person cared nothing for her family in the least.

Everything after that, including all the forensic evidence and the corroboration from witnesses, has just been icing on the cake. People aren't stupid or blind (unless they have a personal reason to want to be) - a jury will never be able to reconcile KC's words and behavior with anyone who gave a crap about her child, regardless of all the cutesy photographic window dressing. People who neglect and abuse children certainly are smart enough not to do it in front of people they need to impress.

KC's own mom can act like she was "mother of the year" after the fact and in front of the camera, but before she found out Caylee was gone forever, she blamed her daughter plenty - from saying she was a sociopath to writing rambling, martyr note on her MySpace page. CA can't take those words back, even if she did try to excuse them in that depo in August. She just doesn't sound credible anymore doing such a 180. Same with GA - told the FBI and LE in interviews about how much his daughter stole and lied. The fact they have both changed their tune because they have a stake in the outcome is transparent to everyone and the more they insist KC is innocent, the more it looks like they taught her to lie when cornered and use ridiculous, insignificant technicalities or loopholes to get out of things. What intelligent jury member would assume that hearsay evidence of a toddler seeing a white dog was proof an actual Nanny existed? Even a toddler identifying a white dog in person would not be proof of anything, much less a third party recounting of a conversation. Yikes! I haven't seen any evidence that is close to exonerating other than wild, imaginative theories that cannot be substantiated in the least.

 

[ecs5298]

Interesting. Most people I've talked to have said it was the 31 days, lying to LE about a nanny nobody had ever seen, and that nasty, hateful, self-absorbed call she made to her folks from jail, in which clearly the only important thing to KC was getting her boyfriend's number, and in which she sounds exasperated that Kristina is more concerned about Caylee than she is about KC which did it for them. She was horrible, self-centered and completely unconcerned about the pain on her mother's face in the jail visits, too. I wanted to reach in the screen and slap her when she laughed about her mother crying already. It only confirmed the impression everyone got from the very first that this person cared nothing for her family in the least.

Everything after that, including all the forensic evidence and the corroboration from witnesses, has just been icing on the cake. People aren't stupid or blind (unless they have a personal reason to want to be) - a jury will never be able to reconcile KC's words and behavior with anyone who gave a crap about her child, regardless of all the cutesy photographic window dressing. People who neglect and abuse children certainly are smart enough not to do it in front of people they need to impress.

KC's own mom can act like she was "mother of the year" after the fact and in front of the camera, but before she found out Caylee was gone forever, she blamed her daughter plenty - from saying she was a sociopath to writing rambling, martyr note on her MySpace page. CA can't take those words back, even if she did try to excuse them in that depo in August. She just doesn't sound credible anymore doing such a 180. Same with GA - told the FBI and LE in interviews about how much his daughter stole and lied. The fact they have both changed their tune because they have a stake in the outcome is transparent to everyone and the more they insist KC is innocent, the more it looks like they taught her to lie when cornered and use ridiculous, insignificant technicalities or loopholes to get out of things. What intelligent jury member would assume that hearsay evidence of a toddler seeing a white dog was proof an actual Nanny existed? Even a toddler identifying a white dog in person would not be proof of anything, much less a third party recounting of a conversation. Yikes! I haven't seen any evidence that is close to exonerating other than wild, imaginative theories that cannot be substantiated in the least.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

This post deserves so much more than just a "Thanks". It deserves a standing ovation!

Nominating this one for "Post of the Decade"

 

[cecybeans]

And I will say with all that being said, they lost Casey at that point. I don't think they should use that tactic in that situation. It was a bad decision on their part and that makes me question their ability to find the truth. These are some of the reasons I believe she is NG.

It is not LE's responsibility when, in searching for the truth, an adult purposely lies to them. That's called obstruction, and it is the fault of the adult in questioning for not cooperating.

This is the same logic which blames a school for not graduating an 18-year-old who clearly skipped classes and hid the information from her parents. At what point is a person responsible for not lying and the blame off the person they lie to for not "handling" it perfectly. Is KC allowed to only interact with her mommy in society so she can fix all her problems?

 

[Cat13067]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

This post deserves so much more than just a "Thanks". It deserves a standing ovation!

Nominating this one for "Post of the Decade"

I'm standing!

 

[knt]

I agree that it would be difficult for me to get on that jury, as it would most here. The defense will cross examine LE and the jury will see it. They will form their opinions at that point. I think there is much more than LE doing a bad job in a lot of these cases.(IE OJ) I think that LE is responding to pressure from above and that is where the problem is. It is the hand that feeds you. Want to make big brother happy. It is a natural phenomina that lurks in the shadows.

My own opinion in the beginning was that she was guilty. It is all the evidence that has put me on the other side.

With all due respect, NTS, I've read your posts, and I don't buy that you've changed your mind from G to NG due to evidence. IMO, you're agenda has been pretty evident. As an aside, your posts always make me think of CA. It's kind of amazing. I'm sure CA would appreciate meeting such a like-minded individual such as yourself. Have you ever considered reaching out to her?

 

[RR0004]

Yes, but I would have done it differently. I would be nice about it. I would give her time to answer each and every question. I understand Casey may have had some information that could have helped. It it so sad that they blew it when they started interrogating her in that fashion. Huge mistake on their part. You can ask tough questions in a kind manner.

You're playing with a sociopath (IMO)...that's exactly what they want you to do. They have complete faith in knowing that they are smarter than everyone else. Casey did not tell the truth because she didn't want to...plain and simple. To expect her to respond to "niceties" and reveal the truth would be your undoing. JMHO

 

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