GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #3

[Hickory Born]

I am so glad media is reporting these comments from last nights. Here are some new ones.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/apr/05/police-listen-criticism-brunswick-ga-after-babys-s/

 

[Hickory Born]

Bond hearing for DE at 9:30am this morning. Gough talks in this article about possible outcomes of hearing.


(From article)
Another option, which Gough sees as unlikely, is the court could release Elkins on his own recognizance.

"That's what I'd like to see," Gough said, while also admitting it seems like an unlikely option given the charges and exposure of the case.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/bruns...her-of-murder-victim-refuses-to-be-subpoenaed

 

[kaykakes]

In this article law enforcement acknowledges gangs.

Brunswick Police Chief Tobe Green said the Task Force has worked diligently to prevent violent crimes from happening.
“We’ve identified over 120 known gang members,” he said without specifically linking either Elkins or Lang to a gang. “There have been 107 arrests made by the Violent Crimes Task Force and we’ve seized firearms ranging from a .22 pistol to an AK-47.”


Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...rs-killing-couldve-been-stopped#ixzz2PaUe1sUt


BUT...in the article where the Mayor speaks he says:

When asked about a gang problem, the mayor said there are loosely organized groups of young men, but there's no gang problem.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst...nswick-is-safe-in-wake-of-baby-shooting-death

BUT MOST IMPORTANT:

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said the crime was preventable.
“There are people in the community — adults — that had information that could’ve stopped the crime,” Doering said, “but they consciously made a decision not to come forward.”


Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...rs-killing-couldve-been-stopped#ixzz2PaX0wH5U

I wonder who knew about this and would that make this premeditated murder????

But what was it that our Mayor said, Crime has dropped the city is safe and also no gangs who is he trying to fool

 

[Hickory Born]

This video show some of the community concerns.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Brunsw...urder/-/475880/19630160/-/kp98kd/-/index.html

 

[Hickory Born]

I don't understand this defense motion regarding the baby's father. Can someone please explain?

(From article)
The other motion asks for information on any deals made with Louis Santiago, the boy's father, and disclosure of any known associates and connection between Santiago and Wilfredo Calix-Flores, a victim in a prior shooting in which Elkins is now charged.

The defense says Santiago is or was an informant for an unnamed law enforcement agency. Attorneys also say Santiago has a history of domestic abuse and point to a 2002 arrest in Camden County.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Defens...rents/-/475880/19625028/-/mckwbq/-/index.html

 

[PrairieWind]

Bond hearing for DE at 9:30am this morning. Gough talks in this article about possible outcomes of hearing.


(From article)
Another option, which Gough sees as unlikely, is the court could release Elkins on his own recognizance.

"That's what I'd like to see," Gough said, while also admitting it seems like an unlikely option given the charges and exposure of the case.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/bruns...her-of-murder-victim-refuses-to-be-subpoenaed

I feel safe in saying that that chance LE is releases on his own recognizance is about zero. In fact, I would bet he will continue to be held without any bail.

 

[Minette]

I don't understand this defense motion regarding the baby's father. Can someone please explain?

(From article)
The other motion asks for information on any deals made with Louis Santiago, the boy's father, and disclosure of any known associates and connection between Santiago and Wilfredo Calix-Flores, a victim in a prior shooting in which Elkins is now charged.

The defense says Santiago is or was an informant for an unnamed law enforcement agency. Attorneys also say Santiago has a history of domestic abuse and point to a 2002 arrest in Camden County.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Defens...rents/-/475880/19625028/-/mckwbq/-/index.html

Throw as much mud as possible in as many directions as possible, hope you can make some of it stick and taint the witnesses in the eyes of the jury pool. I know this attorney is trying to defend his client, but his tactics border on the unethical, IMO. Alleging Santiago is an informant for LE? Way to paint a target on him with the gangs that allegedly don't exist. :furious:

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't understand this defense motion regarding the baby's father. Can someone please explain?

(From article)
The other motion asks for information on any deals made with Louis Santiago, the boy's father, and disclosure of any known associates and connection between Santiago and Wilfredo Calix-Flores, a victim in a prior shooting in which Elkins is now charged.

The defense says Santiago is or was an informant for an unnamed law enforcement agency. Attorneys also say Santiago has a history of domestic abuse and point to a 2002 arrest in Camden County.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Defens...rents/-/475880/19625028/-/mckwbq/-/index.html

I havent seen that motion yet, so can't say for sure. But dont try to make too much sense out of it yet. As best I can tell the Defense is just trying to allege there was some sort of conspiracy. It doesnt have to make sense. My guess is that these motions are for public release to try to keep further witnesses from coming forward by making it clear that their names will be disclosed. Throwing out that Santiago is/was a police informant certainly is very dangerous for him.

 

[PrairieWind]

Throw as much mud as possible in as many directions as possible, hope you can make some of it stick and taint the witnesses in the eyes of the jury pool. I know this attorney is trying to defend his client, but his tactics border on the unethical, IMO. Alleging Santiago is an informant for LE? Way to paint a target on him with the gangs that allegedly don't exist. :furious:

Personally I agree with you Minette. But I dont know that I have ever seen a defense attorney even get reprimanded for these type of tactics.

 

[Hickory Born]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ac262a-9e06-11e2-9219-51eb8387e8f1_story.html

Glynn County Superior Court Judge Stephen Kelley told attorneys Friday he expects a 2013 trial for 17-year-old De’Marquise Elkins. The suspect is charged with malice murder in the slaying of 13-month-old Antonio Santiago two weeks ago in the coastal city of Brunswick. Police say the child was shot as Elkins and a younger teenager tried to rob the boy’s mother.

The judge denied Elkins’ request for bond Friday, saying he’s concerned Elkins might flee.

 

[Hickory Born]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Teen-d...34800/-/format/rss_2.0/-/efbhdtz/-/index.html

Prosecutors said Elkins needed to remain in jail because he is a danger to society. They brought in a Glynn County investigator who said tattoos on Elkins' body and comments on his Facebook page suggest he is involved in gang activity, possibly the People Nation Gangs and the Bloods.

The defense countered, saying Elkins did have tattoos, but may have been a poser and didn't know the nature of his comments or markings.

Prosecutors also pointed to the fact that no one could prove that Elkins was going to a school at the time of the shooting, and he had no permanent address, but rather floated around different places. They also pointed to Elkins' conviction in July of possession of marijuana and giving a false name to police.

Ultimately, the judge said because of the nature of the crime, possible gang ties, and no real stable household for Elkins, the teen would be a "significant risk" and "danger to the community."

 

[tlcya]

Elkins’ great grandfather, McKinley Elkins, tried to assure the judge that if the teenager was released on bond he would be “a gentleman from this day forward.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ac262a-9e06-11e2-9219-51eb8387e8f1_story.html

While I do feel for Elkins granddad, and understand his shock at DE's arrest, I find his assurances about as believable as Karimah and Katrina's insistence that DE was with them at the time of the shooting.

Also, his comment that DE would be a "gentleman" from this day forth seems as if he acknowledges that DE has been guilty of not being one prior.

This young man did not fail to open a door for a lady or curse in an inappropriate setting. He committed a brazen murder of a sleeping child in broad daylight on a street in front of God and everybody.

Again, I feel for the grandfather, but his comment feels rather minimizing in light of what his grandson is accused of doing.

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm not surprised the judge denied bail. This is 1st degree murder we're talking about and this kid has pretty much zero home life and no school. His mother and sister are in and out of jail and have clearly tried to obstruct justice in this case.

I also feel for the grandfather, but he has no clue. Where was he in the months and years leading up to this crime?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm not surprised the judge denied bail. This is 1st degree murder we're talking about and this kid has pretty much zero home life and no school. His mother and sister are in and out of jail and have clearly tried to obstruct justice in this case.

I also feel for the grandfather, but he has no clue. Where was he in the months and years leading up to this crime?

We don't know. He could have been trying to help his great grandson as much as he could. We just don't know.

 

[Hickory Born]

Sorry, I had a duplicate post, so deleted this one.

 

[Hickory Born]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...inked-gangs-denied-bail-brunswick-babys-death



Elkins also has three burn scars in the shape of a triangle on his upper right arm.

“They represent the three places gang members end up — the hospital, prison or the morgue,” Nohilly said.

Public Defender Kevin Gough, who represents Elkins, said his client, like many other teen-agers, has an overactive imagination.

This article goes on to explain what many of us saw on his Facebook page regarding Moneyville.

(More from article)
Nohilly also linked Elkins to a local gang called Moneyville that he said carries out an illegal drug trade in the McIntyre Court public housing complex. Elkins was arrested in the complex in July 2012 on charges of possession of marijuana and providing police with a false identification. He pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor charges in State Court, Johnson said.

Gough, however, said Moneyville is merely a name African-American residents call the McIntyre Court complex and not the name of a gang.

I had wondered what Moneyville was because I had seen it on DE's page and on some of his friends' pages.

 

[tlcya]

“Are you familiar with the term, poser?” he said to Nohilly.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...nied-bail-brunswick-babys-death#ixzz2PcZ8iVS5

Oh no he didn't!

in response to that if I were Ms. Nohilly I'd have said "are you familiar with the term BABY KILLER??!" and then I promptly would have been sanctioned by the court, lol.

 

[Hickory Born]

This is an interesting site showing crime in Brunswick. Note their crimes in all catagories is considerably higher than US average. Also note that Brunswick has more police per 1000 people than the Georgia average.

Example:
Violent crime index in 2011
Brunswick: 652.7
U.S. Average: 213.6


Property crime index in 2011
Brunswick: 610.1
U.S. Average: 273.7

Full-time law enforcement employees in 2011, including police officers: 71 (63 officers).
Officers per 1,000 residents here: 4.04
Georgia average: 2.78

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Brunswick-Georgia.html

I just compared (on city-data site) brunswick, GA to New York, NY. I would beg to differ with the Mayor of Brunswick about it being a safe city.

Violent crime index in 2011
New York: 336.8
U.S. Average: 213.6


Property crime index in 2011
New York: 133.7
U.S. Average: 273.7


Full-time law enforcement employees in 2011, including police officers: 49,401 (34,542 officers).
Officers per 1,000 residents here: 4.21
New York average: 3.17


http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-New-York-New-York.html

 

[daisy.faithfull]

wow. what a twist. if true, this spins a lot of different angles.
if "people in the community" had info that could have stopped it, this surely wasn't random. you would think if this is true there would be more arrested and charged w/ conspiracy.
so many questions.

Is it possible that their were people that knew of DE's first robbery/ shooting? Had they come forward DE would possibly be in jail and therefore unable to murder Antonio.

 

[Trident]

Florida Times Union report on Town Hall Meeting (more at link)

Poverty, chronic unemployment and an unacceptable tolerance of violence are chief among the causes, Emmi Doucette said.

“All of the children of the city need to be healthy and safe,” she said. “We need to break the cycle of poverty.”

St. Simons resident Tory Braden disagreed.
She blamed social promotion in schools and coddling of some classes of people for the crime rate.

“These children are learning that they don’t have to do anything to get ahead,” she said. “These people get a lot of free stuff, but they’re not appreciating it.”


Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...rs-killing-couldve-been-stopped#ixzz2PaLmaNrV

I agree with the bolded part.