GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023

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63 percent of Americans call Trump charges in Georgia serious in poll

ETA: At the bottom of this article is the following blurb:
Meanwhile, a Fox News poll shows that 53 per cent of Americans think Trump did something illegal, compared to 20 per cent who think he did something wrong, and 24 per cent who say he did something not seriously wrong.
. Looks like even the Fox News crowd shows a majority of people believing DT did something illegal. So much for "just my freedom of speech!" JMO
 
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Is using a PAC to pay for Rudy's bills even legal?

Not sure legal is a standard RG uses. Which also likely figures into the fact that he is a defendant. Imo.

(Like you, I do wonder if it's legal for any of these defendants to be using PAC money for legal defense bills.)
 
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My questions about the up and coming super special report is: Why not produce said document to investigators, your legal team - anyone - before you're indicted? Why wasn't it provided to the court when motions were made regarding the election? And why release it publicly now instead of providing it to your legal team for your defense since it will likely lead to yet another obstruction charge?

It never fails to astound me that Trump believes a public relations campaign is a valid substitute for a legal defense.

JMO
If there was evidence of a stolen election, it should have and would have (IMO) been presented during those sixty lawsuits adjudicated following the election. If not sooner.

I agree about his treating the democratic process as a PR campaign. The whole idea of a "Never-Trumper" implies that he thinks people should be loyal to him no matter what, whether he follows the law or not. D*mn straight I'm a "Never-Trumper" -- not as some schoolyard taunt -- but for substantive reasons. If I saw him show respect, empathy, and leadership, I would certainly reconsider. I mean, we know enough about psychology to know that won't happen, but if in some Hallmark movie world it did happen, yes I would respect that and reconsider.

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>I have quite a few family members in Georgia who do not trust the Dominion machines and believe the 2020 election was stolen as well as the 2021 Senate election. You may mock it, but they do not.

JMO
I'm curious how it works in other states -- in California, where I was a precinct worker for ten years until covid, voters always have the option of a paper ballot or the machine.

I live in a heavily Republican area and whether for authentic mistrust or just an aversion to 'newfangled' stuff, can count on my fingers the number of times anyone in my precinct used the electronic voting machine instead of a paper ballot.

Long before Trump, folks were wary of the machines. If they are unreliable or erroneous in any way, that should of course (IMO) be addressed and fixed. The democratic process is taken very seriously in the US and I have no doubt it would be/will be/has been addressed when problems arise. It sure looks to me like Trump merely glommed onto that as something to pretend was about him, when it truly has nothing to do with him. Same as absentee/mail-in ballots. IMO of course.

tldr: folks who want to vote using paper ballots should do so. Are there setups outside Californa that require the use of the machines?
 
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<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>I have quite a few family members in Georgia who do not trust the Dominion machines and believe the 2020 election was stolen as well as the 2021 Senate election. You may mock it, but they do not.

JMO
Apparently lots of people believe the election was fraudulent
but remember this: there are people who believe the earth is flat
does that mean the earth is flat? I DON'T THINK SO
60 judges, many appointed by Trump himself threw out alleged cases of voter fraud, now why do you think that is? IT IS BECAUSE-- THEY DID NOT HAVE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT-
EVIDENCE- not rumor on the internet, not suspicion, YOU NEED EVIDENCE AND THEY DID NOT AND DO NOT HAVE IT- because-- it was a fair election and there was no fraud.
Of course it is your right to believe as you wish

Oh, do you recall the Fox News had to pay DOMINION almost 800 million for defaming that company? Doesn't that tell you something?
 
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I would have thought that Rudy and Co would have been better postponing the event, rather than being seen as
laughing stocks, once they realised it was the wrong 4 seasons.
I have always wondered if that was a setup to make them cancel, but they didn't cancel. jmo
 
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If there was evidence of a stolen election, it should have and would have (IMO) been presented during those sixty lawsuits adjudicated following the election. If not sooner.

I agree about his treating the democratic process as a PR campaign. The whole idea of a "Never-Trumper" implies that he thinks people should be loyal to him no matter what, whether he follows the law or not. D*mn straight I'm a "Never-Trumper" -- not as some schoolyard taunt -- but for substantive reasons. If I saw him show respect, empathy, and leadership, I would certainly reconsider. I mean, we know enough about psychology to know that won't happen, but if in some Hallmark movie world it did happen, yes I would respect that and reconsider.


I'm curious how it works in other states -- in California, where I was a precinct worker for ten years until covid, voters always have the option of a paper ballot or the machine.

I live in a heavily Republican area and whether for authentic mistrust or just an aversion to 'newfangled' stuff, can count on my fingers the number of times anyone in my precinct used the electronic voting machine instead of a paper ballot.

Long before Trump, folks were wary of the machines. If they are unreliable or erroneous in any way, that should of course (IMO) be addressed and fixed. The d wakesdorkarymocratic process is taken very seriously in the US and I have no doubt it would be/will be/has been addressed when problems arise. It sure looks to me like Trump merely glommed onto that as something to pretend was about him, when it truly has nothing to do with him. Same as absentee/mail-in ballots. IMO of course.

tldr: folks who want to vote using paper ballots should do so. Are there setups outside Californa that require the use of the machines?
I'm in NYC, heavily Dem district. We have paper ballots. We mark the paper with pen and insert the ballot into a scanner ourselves. We get to keep the pen. :)

jmo
 
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He's not going to listen to them, or anyone.
I would not be surprised if he found an excuse to cancel.

Maybe they could claim a watermain break.

jmo
 
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I'm curious how it works in other states -- in California, where I was a precinct worker for ten years until covid, voters always have the option of a paper ballot or the machine.

I live in a heavily Republican area and whether for authentic mistrust or just an aversion to 'newfangled' stuff, can count on my fingers the number of times anyone in my precinct used the electronic voting machine instead of a paper ballot.

Long before Trump, folks were wary of the machines. If they are unreliable or erroneous in any way, that should of course (IMO) be addressed and fixed. The democratic process is taken very seriously in the US and I have no doubt it would be/will be/has been addressed when problems arise. It sure looks to me like Trump merely glommed onto that as something to pretend was about him, when it truly has nothing to do with him. Same as absentee/mail-in ballots. IMO of course.

tldr: folks who want to vote using paper ballots should do so. Are there setups outside Californa that require the use of the machines?
Your post RSBM:

It should also be noted that even a hand recount of the ballots in Georgia still found Trump had lost the election.

 
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I would not be surprised if he found an excuse to cancel.

Maybe they could claim a watermain break.

jmo

"I'm ankle deep in sewer water for YOU"
 
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Maybe they could claim a watermain break.
The first thought upon reading your post was that it was going to say "watergate" :D

I think my mind saw the word water and added "gate" to it
 
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lolol I'll always remember when Rudy wanted to host an "election was stolen" press conference at the Four Seasons Hotel and they ended up booking the wrong Four Seasons (Four Seasons Total Landscaping sandwiched between a sex shop and a crematorium). You just can't make this stuff up.
One of the streaming services has a documentary about Four Seasons Total Landscaping. I think it's Peacock or NBC Universal.
I wish I could have seen it. (Mainly because I like quirky stuff)

It's a humorous documentary about the notoriety that the business went through. Shows the business etc.

Trailer is in the article.

 
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Apparently lots of people believe the election was fraudulent
but remember this: there are people who believe the earth is flat
does that mean the earth is flat? I DON'T THINK SO
60 judges, many appointed by Trump himself threw out alleged cases of voter fraud, now why do you think that is? IT IS BECAUSE-- THEY DID NOT HAVE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT-
EVIDENCE- not rumor on the internet, not suspicion, YOU NEED EVIDENCE AND THEY DID NOT AND DO NOT HAVE IT- because-- it was a fair election and there was no fraud.
Of course it is your right to believe as you wish

Oh, do you recall the Fox News had to pay DOMINION almost 800 million for defaming that company? Doesn't that tell you something?
On the back of a great post - didya know roughly 16 million (7%) Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows? 12 million believe the United States is secretly run by lizard people. And the very same article touts 46% believing news agencies make up stories about Trump - largely skewed along party lines, mind you.

In the top slot though - hardly anyone knows anything about the constitution with a third polled in one study not being able to name a right protected by the first amendment.

 
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Georgia’s most powerful Republican politicians are rejecting pro-Donald Trump calls to change the state constitution to give the governor direct authority to pardon those convicted of crimes. #gapol

(Linked article is behind a paywall at ajc.com.)
 
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On the back of a great post - didya know roughly 16 million (7%) Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows? 12 million believe the United States is secretly run by lizard people. And the very same article touts 46% believing news agencies make up stories about Trump - largely skewed along party lines, mind you.

In the top slot though - hardly anyone knows anything about the constitution with a third polled in one study not being able to name a right protected by the first amendment.

Lizard people? WTH are lizard people?
 
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Long before Trump, folks were wary of the machines. If they are unreliable or erroneous in any way, that should of course (IMO) be addressed and fixed. The democratic process is taken very seriously in the US and I have no doubt it would be/will be/has been addressed when problems arise. It sure looks to me like Trump merely glommed onto that as something to pretend was about him, when it truly has nothing to do with him. Same as absentee/mail-in ballots. IMO of course.

tldr: folks who want to vote using paper ballots should do so. Are there setups outside Californa that require the use of the machines?
Texas has a law that everything must be counted within 24 hrs. (I think it's 7 pm on Wednesday) Early Votes are counted(tabulated) prior to the polls closing. (Boxes from the Early Voting Centers arrive on Friday evening after early voting closes. They are counted on Election Day) They are released once the polls close. Then as boxes are brought back to Election Dept, Election Day votes are counted.

This means that machines are required.

Our county was all electronic until 2019, until we went to paper/scan.
The scanners are at the polling sites and I believe results are stored on a USB drive, which is taken to the Elections Dept on Election Night.

A USB is loaded from 300 polling locations. The flash drives are tabulated and results are released to the public. However, the official results are not available for two weeks.
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The only time hand counted paper ballots are used are in very small jurisdictions.

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Usually early voting results are posted around 8 pm, it could be later though because they aren't posted until every poll is closed. Around 9 pm, election day results begin to be posted. Usually most of the results are posted by midnight - 2 am.

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As you know, Texas is basically a one party state. The minority party was the party that was wary of machines.
I feel that losing parties often feel the "system is rigged".
 
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Lizard people? WTH are lizard people?


"The deadly Capitol siege was fueled by far-out conspiracy theorists, including Ashli Babbitt, a QAnon supporter fatally shot by police as she tried to breach a barricaded doorway. Meanwhile, federal investigators are still looking into the belief system of Anthony Quinn Warner, who made statements about a conspiracy of lizard people taking over the planet before the explosion that damaged 41 buildings and injured three people in Nashville, Tennessee, on Christmas Day.

The notion of shape-shifting, blood-sucking reptilian humanoids invading Earth to control the human race sounds like a cheesy sci-fi plot. But it's actually a very old trope with disturbing links to anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic hostilities dating to the 19th century.

Bonkers? Sure. Harmless? Definitely not.

[snip]"

Also, see here:
 
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On the back of a great post - didya know roughly 16 million (7%) Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows? 12 million believe the United States is secretly run by lizard people. And the very same article touts 46% believing news agencies make up stories about Trump - largely skewed along party lines, mind you.

In the top slot though - hardly anyone knows anything about the constitution with a third polled in one study not being able to name a right protected by the first amendment.

You cracked me up with this !!! 7% Americans believe chocolate milk comes from Brown Cows- I got a real belly laugh from that one- thank you- I needed that

I just read the list of bizarre things American believe- I see why we are in real trouble!! OMG
 
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