GUILTY GA - Jorelys Rivera, 7, Canton, 2 Dec 2011 - #3

[SurfieTX]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here's an interview with Ryan's brother (video): http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/ryan-brunn-s-brother-says-his-sibling-did-not-murder-7-year-old-jorelys-rivera-video

 

[JeannaT]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here's an interview with Ryan's brother (video): http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/ryan-brunn-s-brother-says-his-sibling-did-not-murder-7-year-old-jorelys-rivera-video

His brothers certainly are compelling.

 

[Leilei]

I am planning to go with my two daughters. There is also a public thing at the Darby Funeral home Friday night as well at a public funeral Sat afternoon.

I wish that I could attend either one, but have to work 1-10pm both days. If you could, please pass on some love to Jorelys for me. :heartbeat: I'll be thinking of her.

 

[Crosby87]

With regards to the woman who appeared on NG last night and said she contacted LE to report the conversation she had with R.B. after a boy was reported missing from the complex because it connects him to the murder and proves the murder was premeditated, well, I have a different point of view.

Ryan was the groundskeeper who lived there, so he would know there were vacant apartments in the complex and since he followed the CA case, he knew about crimes committed against children like we do.

After a child went missing from the complex before JR was murdered, RG's comment that the child could have been abducted and harmed in one of those apartments is completely appropriate and makes perfect sense to me. IMO this danger exposed by RB should have been taken seriously and used to caution parents and their caregivers to be extra vigilant and never leave their children unattended for any reason.

IDK if LE were involved when this boy went missing, but if they were they might have known there were vacant apartments located throughout the complex and they should have realized this situation threatened the safety of all the women and children living there.

I understand why the Management Co wouldn't want to inform the tenants about this "problem" that existed in the complex but it is unfortunate if LE was involved when the boy went missing they didn't step up and issue a warning to the residents to be extra cautious from hereon.

The public needs to be informed about crimes against children and women because times have changed.

JMO

 

[~n/t~]

His brothers certainly are compelling.

My heart breaks for him. He sounds so sad and confused.

 

[Chris_Texas]

I don't think this is a fair statement. I will not bash the victim's family, but we all make choices in the world. First of all, my understanding is this was not a single mother - she was living in GA by herself and kids while the husband worked elsewhere? This was a choice made by the family.

Obviously, some people have much more than other people and have more choices available. But, if somebody makes a choice to work at an overnight job, then one of the consequences is childcare and how to arrange it to ensure their children are supervised adequately at all times. And, with the ages of this family's kids (1-7 ?), any job the mother took would have provided some issue with childcare since only 1 was in school. That's reality and that's a part of parenting.

In many situations, strict supervision is a good deterrent for these crimes; sometimes though it's not. Obviously as kids get older, the leash needs to be loosened a bit, but not at this age. There are tons of kids in my neighborhood who run around with no supervision at Jorelys' age. Not because their parents work crazy hours and are sleeping - just that I think they have false sense of security. Not me. I have no sense of security.

It would be a wonderful world in which it was only our actions and choices determined the course of our lives. Obviously, as this case demonstrates, this is not always how things turn out. And I might argue that it is rarely true. Respectfully, you cannot name a single choice or action that will ensure any outcome -- you are limited to generalities and accepted "truths."

When we have achieved some positive outcome we like to say that reasons like these truths are the cause. I own my own business, and I like to believe that my talent and hard work are solely responsible. It's not true, but it feels good. And for those who are struggling it is nice to have a treasure map to success, even if that map is drawn in children's crayons on craft paper -- just finish high school, go to college, keep your nose clean, work hard, excercise, eat right, take a walk, hug your kids, be kind, smile, and everything will work out.

It's a comforting fiction; platitudes that allow us to pretend that we have a handle on things, that we know how to make everything turn out right. There's nothing wrong with this illusion, so long as we remember the truth: life is a tornado that wanders around shattering some lives and sparing others, the choices and ethics of the occupants do not diminish its' power or guide its' course, and no matter our choices eventually it will get us all.

If you have any doubt about this just ask Jorely.

 

[Magdalyn]

Channel 2 Action News (WSB) at noon

Hearing at 1:30
Currently charged with Murder and Making False Statements
further charges may be brought as early as at today's hearing

LE back at the complex today collecting evidence

No news yet on custody hearing of other Rivera children

That's all, folks... (sorry, I can only do one channel at a time! :crazy: )

 

[JeannaT]

It would be a wonderful world in which it was only our actions and choices determined the course of our lives. Obviously, as this case demonstrates, this is not always how things turn out. And I might argue that it is rarely true. Respectfully, you cannot name a single choice or action that will ensure any outcome -- you are limited to generalities and accepted "truths."

When we have achieved some positive outcome we like to say that reasons like these truths are the cause. I own my own business, and I like to believe that my talent and hard work are solely responsible. It's not true, but it feels good. And for those who are struggling it is nice to have a treasure map to success, even if that map is drawn in children's crayons on craft paper -- just finish high school, go to college, keep your nose clean, work hard, excercise, eat right, take a walk, hug your kids, be kind, smile, and everything will work out.

It's a comforting fiction; platitudes that allow us to pretend that we have a handle on things, that we know how to make everything turn out right. There's nothing wrong with this illusion, so long as we remember the truth: life is a tornado that wanders around shattering some lives and sparing others, the choices and ethics of the occupants do not diminish its' power or guide its' course, and no matter our choices eventually it will get us all.

If you have any doubt about this just ask Jorely.

Very well written, but I have to say, if you have a lifetime of trying to make things come out well, trying to make good sound decisions, you're a lot better off than if you knowingly make foolish choices all the time. Back in the day I worked at a Crisis Hotline and let me tell you, those people got themselves where they were by making bad choices. And continued and continued, to make them knowing they were bad choices.

There's a maternity/fertility forum on the net that is just fraught with young women in hopeless situations with inappropriate partners who are ruining their lives and driving them to grinding poverty and hopelessness and all the while these girls are posting questions month after month about could I be pregnant prayers for sticky baby dust everyone! bla bla bla.

Things in life don't always work out. Husbands die unexpectedly, businesses fail, birth control fails, car wrecks happen, etc., but if you at least TRY to make good decisions you'll be way better off. And then society can pick up the financial burden for those where trying wasn't enough.

What we have now is a society where about 1/2 don't even try. IMHO.

 

[ClaireNC]

On HLN now...Nancy Grace. Talking about the fact that Ryan participated in the search. She claims that he is the one that actually ran the compactor after dumping Jorleys precious little body.

O/T - What the )&*&%^*$ is Nancy wearing?? That is really not attractive.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Ted Bundy gave an interview to a national tv station before he met his maker. I will never forget Bundy saying that watching fueled his addiction to rape and kill.

To be clear... you trust that this time the sociopath Ted Bundy was telling the truth?

http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html

According to the link above, in the US alone the industry generates over 13 billion anually in revenue. 12% of the internet is dedicated to just this. Forty MILLION American's admit to being regular visitors to websites, and accounts for 25% of all search engine traffic. 70% of adult men admit to visiting websites every month. 20% of men and 13% of women even view it at work. In other words, damn near the entire world looks at .

didn't make Ted Bundy a monster. Nor did rock and roll devil music, new coke, or anything else. Ted Bundy was being Ted Bundy, playing a con, telling James Dobson what he wanted to hear, and it was music to that clown's ears.

 

[krimekat]

My heart breaks for him. He sounds so sad and confused.

Feel for everyone involved . . . where is the manager of this complex & her son (RBs roommate) ?

:maddening: :maddening: :maddening: :maddening: :maddening:

 

[Chris_Texas]

Sorry for the OT but is something big going on at the moment or is it just my computer? I seem to be in really really really slow motion this morning on this website.

Some of the ads on websleuths have serious memory leak issues. Copy the page you are on, close your browser completely (check your task manager to ensure it is actually closed), restart the browser paste the copied url into the address bar, and you are back to speed.

NOTE: The above is not intended as a criticism of websleuths! It is a common issue, and one that is almost entirely out of websleuths hands.

 

[nursebeeme]

CBS Atlanta's Christopher King is covering Brunn's first court appearance. Stay with CBSAtlanta.com for complete updates on this story.http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/162...ed-in-jorelys-riveras-death-expected-in-court

 

[Etilema]

Very well written, but I have to say, if you have a lifetime of trying to make things come out well, trying to make good sound decisions, you're a lot better off than if you knowingly make foolish choices all the time. Back in the day I worked at a Crisis Hotline and let me tell you, those people got themselves where they were by making bad choices. And continued and continued, to make them knowing they were bad choices.

There's a maternity/fertility forum on the net that is just fraught with young women in hopeless situations with inappropriate partners who are ruining their lives and driving them to grinding poverty and hopelessness and all the while these girls are posting questions month after month about could I be pregnant prayers for sticky baby dust everyone! bla bla bla.

Things in life don't always work out. Husbands die unexpectedly, businesses fail, birth control fails, car wrecks happen, etc., but if you at least TRY to make good decisions you'll be way better off. And then society can pick up the financial burden for those where trying wasn't enough.

What we have now is a society where about 1/2 don't even try. IMHO.

I totally agree with you. But then, having the intelligence, emotional stability, and appropriate upbringing are luck of the draw, as well, so that many of these people are somehow compelled to continue living this way (the same way an anorexic keeps starving herself or an agoraphobic stays indoors even when they know they need to change their behavior patterns), or else are just clueless or oblivious to what they are doing wrong or how on earth they could possibly change it, or feel utterly hopeless about life being any different than what they've always known that they just don't bother trying to change. Or they may see and understand everything, yet simply do not have the emotional and other inner resources necessary to pull themselves out.

 

[JeannaT]

Feel for everyone involved . . . where is the manager of this complex & her son (RBs roommate) ?

:maddening: :maddening: :maddening: :maddening: :maddening:

OT, but everytime I see your tagline, and Eleanor Roosevelt's comment that small minds discuss people, and I think of all of us sitting here whiling away hours discussing people . . . and I read that quote . . . I get up and take a break and do stuff other than sitting here talking endlessly about people with everyone. ;D

Like that hourglass in the opening scene of Days of our Lives. Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives. THAT image got me shot up right off the couch doing something meaningful.

Anyway, your quote reminds me of that hourglass, and makes me rethink all the time I spend here. Very convicting.

 

[krimekat]

Some of the ads on websleuths have serious memory leak issues. Copy the page you are on, close your browser completely (check your task manager to ensure it is actually closed), restart the browser paste the copied url into the address bar, and you are back to speed.

OT: Do NOT like the ADs on WS . . . disable them through my web browser every time I log on . . .

 

[nursebeeme]

The man accused of killing Jorelys Rivera will make his first court appearance on Thursday.

Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents and police say Ryan Brunn abducted, sexually assaulted and then killed the 7-year-old at a Canton apartment complex.

Superior Court Judge Frank Mills is to preside over Brunn's first court appearance. He is expected to address the media and attorneys at 1:30 p.m. to see if there is any objection to having cameras present for the first appearance.

Mills tells FOX 5 that he does not expect any protest on that issue. If that is the case, cameras will be allowed in the courtroom when Brunn makes his appearance.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/Man-Accused-in-Jorelys-Rivera-Murder-to-be-in-Court

 

[KindraLore]

Without further information, I am wondering if his stay with family in Virginia might have been the result of his being sent away after getting in some kind of trouble. Or else a cover story for where he was during a stay in juvie?

Ok, sorry if this has been mentioned as I havent read every page in this thread but I havent seen it mentioned myself. I live in the same County where this happened and I was watching the news this morning and they described Ryan Brunn's family (Including SP, the brother that was interviewed) as Ryan's Foster family.

I havent seen this mentioned since though...

 

[krimekat]

OT, but everytime I see your tagline, and Eleanor Roosevelt's comment that small minds discuss people, and I think of all of us sitting here whiling away hours discussing people . . . and I read that quote . . . I get up and take a break and do stuff other than sitting here talking endlessly about people with everyone. ;D

Like that hourglass in the opening scenes of Days of our Lives. Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives. THAT image got me shot up right off the couch doing something meaningful.

Anyway, your quote reminds me of that hourglass, and makes me rethink all the time I spend here. Very convicting.

BBM: that is exactly WHY I have this specific quote in my tag line . . . stop discussing people (because we are all unique & act accordingly) and discuss the ISSUES at hand ! I get tired of personal attacks because that is NOT why we are here (at least that is not why I am here). Focus on the facts & the solution will follow !

Thanks for letting me know that Eleanor knew what she was talking about . . .

 

[ClaireNC]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but here's an interview with Ryan's brother (video): http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/ryan-brunn-s-brother-says-his-sibling-did-not-murder-7-year-old-jorelys-rivera-video

That video also made me sad. This poor teenager trying to deal with something so horrific. It certainly put a doubt in my mind.

Does anybody here think that maybe LE has the wrong person? I think the arrest was made on evidence such as finger prints and they are still waiting for DNA results.