GA - Parents Arrested for Giving Kids Tattoos

[Disguiseduser0308]

I've just heard that sentiment a lot from both men and women - "we want him to look like his Dad" - it's very common, I think. Also, for so many years, the vast majority of American boys were automatically circumcised and so I think parents worried that uncut boys might get teased in the locker room.

I also know some women who think uncut penises are gross....which is hilarious to me, because as MomofBoys points out, penises are penises, none of them are going to win a beauty contest! Plus, IMHO, they all look alike when they're happy to see you!

Also, in years prior, it was fashionable to denounce uncut penises as unsanitary.

Those attitudes are changing a lot, I think.

Back to the renegade tattoo artists.....the Dad and stepmom should have probably thought this through a little more and, as the stepmom said in one article, I doubt they would have done it had they known what a ruckus it was going to start.

Obviously the fact that their bio-Mom wasn't involved in the decision added a lot of heat to the fire....in fact, she might have added all the heat because she's the one that got authorities involved. If a Mom and Dad had done this, I doubt DFACs would have been brought in.

I still don't consider this abuse at all.

I don't consider it abuse either. Was it a bad decision, absolutely. But it doesn't meet definition of abuse to me. Since GA law is specific about this issue then I believe those are the charges that should be filed. Adding abuse charges to this does leave me :waitasec:

I believe I'm on the same side regarding circumcision and piercings. My son is intact. My three year old daughter does not sport pierced ears. I know for our family it's the right decision. I also respect other parents choices should they decide to circ their boys or pierce their baby girls ears. The only right decision is the one parents make together.

FWIW - on the circumcision issue: We found out last year my son had a congenital condition related to his urinary tract. We were told that the fact that he was intact likely protected his urinary tract from repeated infections reaching his kidney. Now, I know there will be specialists who would say the exact opposite. But leaving our son intact did provide benefits to his overall health. Surgery last summer has corrected this defect and he's as good as new.

 

[Lyn1001]

No it is not up to the parents to make the decision. What part of "it's illegal for a minor to be tattooed" except if it's done by a physician don't you understand?

I don't want to speak for anyone else, but the sense I'm getting is that it's not the legal issue that's being debated, it's the child abuse issue.

 

[MomofBoys]

I don't want to speak for anyone else, but the sense I'm getting is that it's not the legal issue that's being debated, it's the child abuse issue.

Sort of. The fact that there are laws in place is to prevent abuse, whether it's of others or of the process. At one point, legislators had to think "This might not be a good idea" and lay out why. Part of the "child abuse" element of this would be the risk of needle-borne diseases, the fact that this wasn't done by a licensed professional, the fact that the parents were making choices for minors that they might regret, etc, etc.

As it is, even if you don't consider it abuse, think of what the parents have opened them up to at school by doing something that invited media coverage, a glimpse at Tat Mom (skerrrry) and now the youngest children are prime targets for teasing and bullying. It's irresponsible parenting at best. I'm still not sure it's criminal abuse, although I don't want to forget the fact that they did indeed break the law. But it's absolutely wrong, and I'm really surprised to see so many people thinking this was okay.

The subject of tattooing aside, these people used unsanitary equipment to break their children's skin at home, unsupervised. It's skeevy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Sort of. The fact that there are laws in place is to prevent abuse, whether it's of others or of the process. At one point, legislators had to think "This might not be a good idea" and lay out why. Part of the "child abuse" element of this would be the risk of needle-borne diseases, the fact that this wasn't done by a licensed professional, the fact that the parents were making choices for minors that they might regret, etc, etc.

As it is, even if you don't consider it abuse, think of what the parents have opened them up to at school by doing something that invited media coverage, a glimpse at Tat Mom (skerrrry) and now the youngest children are prime targets for teasing and bullying. It's irresponsible parenting at best. I'm still not sure it's criminal abuse, although I don't want to forget the fact that they did indeed break the law. But it's absolutely wrong, and I'm really surprised to see so many people thinking this was okay.

The subject of tattooing aside, these people used unsanitary equipment to break their children's skin at home, unsupervised. It's skeevy.

Just to help me better understand-

So do you think if mom and dad had a legit, licensed tattoo artist (obviously there is still an issue there because any legit artist knows its against the law for kids to be tattood but there are some who disregard that law and do it anyway) do the kids tats with sanitary equipment, in the proper environment you would feel differently about the issue? Or is it just that they did it to children sanitary or not that bothers you?

My guess is the other kids wouldn't pick on or bully the kids. Kids are odd.. I think their peers would think it "cool" that they were allowed to get tattoos. I bet lotsa kids won't be allowed to hang out over their house anymore though!

 

[STEADFAST]

On topic...a guitar string as a needle? What does that mean? Do they act the same?

Guitar string is commonly used for prison tattoos. Yes, it breaks the skin. Yes, it's permanent. You'll notice that the prison tattooing device described at this website is exactly like the device these idiots used on their children.
http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/prison/index.htm

 

[southcitymom]

I don't consider it abuse either. Was it a bad decision, absolutely. But it doesn't meet definition of abuse to me. Since GA law is specific about this issue then I believe those are the charges that should be filed. Adding abuse charges to this does leave me :waitasec:

I believe I'm on the same side regarding circumcision and piercings. My son is intact. My three year old daughter does not sport pierced ears. I know for our family it's the right decision. I also respect other parents choices should they decide to circ their boys or pierce their baby girls ears. The only right decision is the one parents make together.

FWIW - on the circumcision issue: We found out last year my son had a congenital condition related to his urinary tract. We were told that the fact that he was intact likely protected his urinary tract from repeated infections reaching his kidney. Now, I know there will be specialists who would say the exact opposite. But leaving our son intact did provide benefits to his overall health. Surgery last summer has corrected this defect and he's as good as new.

Thanks for sharing that - just because, you know, we hear the other side too. The first pediatrician we had was pretty uncomfortable with the uncut thing....always talking about "we might have to do it if....." when there were no problems. He was an older gentlemen and very old school. Their ped now - a woman - could care less.

There father is in charge of teaching them to "care" for it!

 

[Spangle]

You wouldn't have a problem with a little 10 year girl having her belly button or eyebrow pierced?

I wouldn't.

IF they are not wanted, they can heal over and leave a very little scar. That is never an option with a tatoo.

You can change what you hang in the holes in your skin. Can't change the view of a tatoo.

Those kids were tatooed with a cross. Something fishy there.

 

[Openmind]

Ya know, it really isn't that many years before a child is old enough to tattoo and pierce themself all they want or can afford. Why rush things?

 

[songline]

lol. I just did a search and found all these cases of parents mutilating their little boys' genitals at home with crude instruments. The court system disagrees with you that it's perfectly legal. Those little boys would certainly disagree with you that it's acceptable.

I totaly agree with you.
While circumcision is a religious practice (I know it is elective practice too) But it is always performed by a professional specialist called MOEIL. Sometimes it is done in the Hospital.
It is not and should never be done by a lay men.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

 

[songline]

I've just heard that sentiment a lot from both men and women - "we want him to look like his Dad" - it's very common, I think. Also, for so many years, the vast majority of American boys were automatically circumcised and so I think parents worried that uncut boys might get teased in the locker room.

I also know some women who think uncut penises are gross....which is hilarious to me, because as MomofBoys points out, penises are penises, none of them are going to win a beauty contest! Plus, IMHO, they all look alike when they're happy to see you!

Also, in years prior, it was fashionable to denounce uncut penises as unsanitary.

Those attitudes are changing a lot, I think.

Back to the renegade tattoo artists.....the Dad and stepmom should have probably thought this through a little more and, as the stepmom said in one article, I doubt they would have done it had they known what a ruckus it was going to start.

Obviously the fact that their bio-Mom wasn't involved in the decision added a lot of heat to the fire....in fact, she might have added all the heat because she's the one that got authorities involved. If a Mom and Dad had done this, I doubt DFACs would have been brought in.

I still don't consider this abuse at all.

Sentiment - "we want him to look like his Dad" IMHO should still be age appropriate.
I am no prude by any means but I feel if you put children's attention where it really should be and let them know that when they are a certain age, they can drive, get a car, a tattoo, a girl friend etc......
I do not think that children should think they can do, be, or have what their parents can, till they mature some.

I am one of those women LOL who wont go near an uncut penis no matter how happy they would be to see me. Been there. No thanks.

For many it is a religious ceremony, for some it is a choice.
the automatically circumcised was always about cleanliness / health choices. Like you said it was fashionable to denounce uncut penises as unsanitary. They are NOT changing to my knowledge, and hospitals are doing them all the time. As well as the religious ceremonies done by a MOIL

Out of respect to the BIO MOM she should have been asked prior to doing something that is not washable.
I also think that anything like that is not appropriate for kids anyway. Trends change, and kids need to be focused on learning, maturing, growing....not on stuff like that.

I sure hope my grand kids will not be getting any tattoos ever, or at least till they are 18 and then JUST ONE.

I find these inked sleeves to be insane....:crazy::crazy::crazy:
Did you notice that both Madonna and Cher have been removing them; the older they get their tattoos do not look good anymore.

there is an old sailor on my block with many tattoos, in the summer - I tease him... I ask him what was this word, and what was this shape, or this...or that???? LOL His old tattoos look like a child who cant draw used him as a coloring book...LOL
NOT attractive at all.

 

[Danaya]

It all comes down to this...

Is it against the law? We have laws for a reason, we can't bend the ones we don't like or ignore them. Ear piercing babies and circumsision is legal-therefor, you may have an opinion but the parents can still do it if they choose to.

 

[Danaya]

Ooooo are we discussing circumsision now?

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I am one of those women LOL who wont go near an uncut penis no matter how happy they would be to see me. Been there. No thanks.

Song, would you meet me down in the PL regarding this statement? I find myself wanting to continue this discussion but realize this is not the thread to do so.