GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[tresir2012]

Suddenly, many folks here are claiming a tazer is a deadly weapon? Does the manufacturer classify the taser as a deadly weapon? Can you cite any police force that classifies it as a deadly weapon? Has there ever been a case where a suspect grabbed an officers taser and tased him to death? I do not like tasers either by the way, and I think they should be outlawed.
To those of you claiming it is a deadly weapon do you think they should be outlawed? Also, do you think the officers were within the law to use a “ deadly taser” on Mr. Brooks for resisting arrest?

Does this article help at all? If not, check out the Javier Ambler thread here on websleuths.

6 Atlanta officers charged after confrontation with college students

 

[tresir2012]

Care to apologize to the African-American community that most of you put on blast for starting this fire?

Police search for (white) ‘instigators’ who started Wendy’s fire after Rayshard Brooks shooting

Channel 2 Action News obtained new video of a (white) woman who police say is responsible for starting a fire that torched a Wendy’s restaurant, just hours after a deadly police shooting there.

The Atlanta Police Foundation says a lot of tips have come in to CrimeStoppers Atlanta after they posted a $10,000 reward for her arrest.

A Channel 2 viewer recorded the video on Saturday night. It clearly shows a white woman in shorts with a pony tail spraying something into the flames at the restaurant. She smiles and nods and walks away from the restaurant as flames spread.

Video on Twitter, linked in story

Atlanta police shared a second video of the same woman on their Twitter account and still photos of a second woman dressed in black with an aerosol can.

Police search for (white) ‘instigators’ who started Wendy’s fire after Rayshard Brooks shooting

Dave Wilkinson is the president of the Atlanta Police Foundation and a former secret service agent. He says its clear police are searching for a small number of people who came with different intentions than the peaceful protests.

“We’re talking about individuals that are literally throwing Molotov cocktails, the folks that are setting businesses on fire. It appears that their intention for being there is to destroy property, wreak havoc and create violence,” Wilkinson said. “There’s no question when you see that video of the suspects they certainly look different, they certainly dress differently.”

Who are you addressing in this post?

This is a pretty good timeline with videos from post 1 on the thread.

Timeline: Here’s how protests unfolded Saturday night

Here’s how the protests happened in reverse order:

7:19 a.m. People have arrived at the Wendy’s to see what is left of it the morning after the fire. Channel 2′s Tony Thomas is live outside the fast-food restaurant.

Tony Thomas

@TonyThomasWSB

Wendy’s on University Avenue gutted after overnight fire set during protests. Building still smoldering as people come to look . @wsbtv

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12:19 PM - Jun 14, 2020

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2:23 a.m: Channel 2′s Matt Johnson and Audrey Washington report on police’s efforts to disperse the protesters.

Audrey Washington

@AudreyWSBTV

RIGHT NOWAtlanta_Police demanding protesters back up and disperse.@wsbtv #RayshardBrooks Protest.

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7:29 AM - Jun 14, 2020 · Atlanta, GA

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Matt Johnson

@MattWSB

Police moving in on remaining protesters.

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7:23 AM - Jun 14, 2020

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1:58 a.m. Police have announced protesters must disperse and leave immediately. They are using a high frequency sound to drive off the few people left in the intersection. Channel 2 photographers showed at least two men being put into handcuffs as the crowd thinned out quickly.

1:53 a.m. Channel 2′s Matt Johnson reports that police are moving in to stop looters who are raiding a convenience store on University Avenue.

Channel 2's Matt Johnson was live on the scene as protesters smashed windows of a gas station in southwest Atlanta.

1:40 a.m. Protesters have started to break windows on a BP gas station in the same intersection as the Wendy’s that burned.

12:50 a.m.

Protesters are still on the streets but things have calmed down a bit.

WSB-TV

@wsbtv

HAPPENING NOW: Protesters still facing off with police in southwest Atlanta, though the group is relatively peaceful. WATCH LIVE: WSB Now | Live streaming Atlanta Local News, Weather and Programs …

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12: 30 a.m.

New video released by Atlanta Police shows police talking with Brooks for 27 minutes before they try to handcuff him and the scuffle ensues. Both of the APD bodycams end up on the pavement before the shooting.

12:21 a.m.

Atlanta Police Spokesman Carlos Campos confirmed to ABC News early Sunday morning that the officer who shot Brooks has been fired. The officer has been identified as Garrett Rolfe. The other officer, Devin Bronsan, has been placed on administrative duty.

Rolfe has been with APD since 2013.

Michael Seiden

@SeidenWSBTV

APD has identified the two APD officers involved in the fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks. (Left) Devin Bronsan has been placed on administrative leave. (Right) Garrett Rolfe has been fired after firing deadly shots. Bronsan joined the department in 2018; Rolfe joined in 2013

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11:23 p.m.

Protesters are demanding the arrest of police.

Matt Johnson

@MattWSB

“Arrest the cops” being chanted by protesters right now near the Wendy’s where #RayshardBrooks died.

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11:05 p.m.

Firetrucks have arrived at the scene. Firefighters said it took over an hour to get to the scene because of protesters.

Atlanta Fire Rescue

@ATLFireRescue

 

[SugarQueen]

Either a taser is a deadly weapon in Georgia or it isn’t. It can’t be both.

 

[tresir2012]

Care to apologize to the African-American community that most of you put on blast for starting this fire?

Police search for (white) ‘instigators’ who started Wendy’s fire after Rayshard Brooks shooting

Channel 2 Action News obtained new video of a (white) woman who police say is responsible for starting a fire that torched a Wendy’s restaurant, just hours after a deadly police shooting there.

The Atlanta Police Foundation says a lot of tips have come in to CrimeStoppers Atlanta after they posted a $10,000 reward for her arrest.

A Channel 2 viewer recorded the video on Saturday night. It clearly shows a white woman in shorts with a pony tail spraying something into the flames at the restaurant. She smiles and nods and walks away from the restaurant as flames spread.

Video on Twitter, linked in story

Atlanta police shared a second video of the same woman on their Twitter account and still photos of a second woman dressed in black with an aerosol can.

Police search for (white) ‘instigators’ who started Wendy’s fire after Rayshard Brooks shooting

Dave Wilkinson is the president of the Atlanta Police Foundation and a former secret service agent. He says its clear police are searching for a small number of people who came with different intentions than the peaceful protests.

“We’re talking about individuals that are literally throwing Molotov cocktails, the folks that are setting businesses on fire. It appears that their intention for being there is to destroy property, wreak havoc and create violence,” Wilkinson said. “There’s no question when you see that video of the suspects they certainly look different, they certainly dress differently.”

Who are you addressing in this post?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes this does mean a taser is considered a deadly weapon. In the Javier Ambler case it actually killed him.

Morning all!

It's the convenient selecting that drives me bonkers. A taser is a lethal weapon only one if police use it, but it is not, if a suspect uses it against a police officer? Where is the logic in that?

If so many think its nonlethal then I'm sure they will willingly line up to be tased by one.

Again, this picking, and choosing shows many care far more about the criminals in our society than they do our police officers.

I think it shows how far we have gone down in the moral decay in our society that is ruining our nation.

I've long said when bad acts, and criminal behaviors are proclaimed as good, and excusable acts, and good or lawful acts are proclaimed as bad acts...we will see our country implode in on itself. Since I've said this years ago now, it's more obvious than ever before it's becoming true with every day that passes.

Just watching all of the violence, and destruction that is flowing out on streets all across our nation shows we are being overcome by violent criminals.

All of these horrific scenes show we are truly becoming the land of the lawless.

What is equally dangerous for law abiding citizens is the lawless is allowed to continue to rein because the mayors, and governors have been their facilitators.

When local, and state officials are the very ones who are on the side of the criminals, and care nothing about those who have always abided by the rules of law ...the criminals are emboldened, and those who long for safety, and peace are totally ignored.

Those things shows how totally upside down we are now.

I know this officer will be charged. DA Howard is elected so retaining power has always mattered to him.

But where can this officer get a fair trial? Where will they find fair jurors when they already know their verdict will spark more ruins, and destruction if it's not the verdict demanded? How will they not worry about their own safety, and that of their families?

Imo, even our justice system is being hijacked because of the fear of violent backlash now. So this police officer doesnt stand a chance even if the evidence at trial shows a much different outcome.

There are always two sides to every story. We have seen, and heard only one. Imo, the other side of what was in this officer's mind at the time will be ignored. He will be used as a scapegoat to appease all of the violent masses. They've already showed everyone how extremely violent they truly are, and what they are capable of doing.

How they can say they want to be treated fairly then turn right around, and unjustly treat innocent people in countless cities everywhere?

I've never understood why they feel they have a right to steal, burn, kill, and injure others? They already had to know they were going to getaway with all of these serious felonies.

Imo, they really don't believe all BLM either. That was painfully obvious when the retired police captain was murdered by someone of his own race, and his same race did nothing to help him as he lay there bleeding to death in front of them all.

I think it's the hypocrisy, and total double standards that confuses me the most.

Jmho

 

[JerseyGirl]

Joe Ested, a former law enforcement officer and founder of the nonprofit Police Brutality Matters, said an officer must see imminent danger either to himself or to someone else for deadly use of force to be justified.

"When we look at this, the video, you see the subject running away," he said. "There's no life at risk at that time — at all.

"Even a subject running away that has a weapon — unless the weapon the subject has results in death, you still are not able to authorize the use of deadly force."

Two experts say use of deadly force against Rayshard Brooks unwarranted

 

[Keefer]

Does this article help at all? If not, check out the Javier Ambler thread here on websleuths.

6 Atlanta officers charged after confrontation with college students

No, i want the folks here to answer my questions... I f folks here are claiming such things,let them back it up.

 

[Keefer]

Morning all!

It's the convenient selecting that drives me bonkers. A taser is a lethal weapon only one if police use it, but it is not, if a suspect uses it against a police officer? Where is the logic in that?

If so many think its nonlethal then I'm sure they will willingly line up to be tased by one.

Again, this picking, and choosing shows many care far more about the criminals in our society than they do our police officers.

I think it shows how far we have gone down in the moral decay in our society that is ruining our nation.

I've long said when bad acts, and criminal behaviors are proclaimed as good, and excusable acts, and good or lawful acts are proclaimed as bad acts...we will see our country implode in on itself. Since I've said this years ago now, it's more obvious than ever before it's becoming true with every day that passes.

Just watching all of the violence, and destruction that is flowing out on streets all across our nation shows we are being overcome by violent criminals.

All of these horrific scenes show we are truly becoming the land of the lawless.

What is equally dangerous for law abiding citizens is the lawless is allowed to continue to rein because the mayors, and governors have been their facilitators.

When local, and state officials are the very ones who are on the side of the criminals, and care nothing about those who have always abided by the rules of law ...the criminals are emboldened, and those who long for safety, and peace are totally ignored.

Those things shows how totally upside down we are now.

I know this officer will be charged. DA Howard is elected so retaining power has always mattered to him.

But where can this officer get a fair trial? Where will they find fair jurors when they already know their verdict will spark more ruins, and destruction if it's not the verdict demanded? How will they not worry about their own safety, and that of their families?

Imo, even our justice system is being hijacked because of the fear of violent backlash now. So this police officer doesnt stand a chance even if the evidence at trial shows a much different outcome.

There are always two sides to every story. We have seen, and heard only one. Imo, the other side of what was in this officer's mind at the time will be ignored. He will be used as a scapegoat to appease all of the violent masses. They've already showed everyone how extremely violent they truly are, and what they are capable of doing.

How they can say they want to be treated fairly then turn right around, and unjustly treat innocent people in countless cities everywhere?

I've never understood why they feel they have a right to steal, burn, kill, and injure others? They already had to know they were going to getaway with all of these serious felonies.

Imo, they really don't believe all BLM either. That was painfully obvious when the retired police captain was murdered by someone of his own race, and his same race did nothing to help him as he lay there bleeding to death in front of them all.

I think it's the hypocrisy, and total double standards that confuses me the most.

Jmho

Again, please cite any manufacturer, legal entity or police force that classifies the taser as a lethal weapon.

 

[SugarQueen]

No, i want the folks here to answer my questions... I f folks here are claiming such things,let them back it up.

It’s already been backed up in the post above. We have had this conversation already. You yourself said you believe it can be a lethal weapon.

 

[sds71]

Either a taser is a deadly weapon in Georgia or it isn’t. It can’t be both.

It might be considered non lethal in the hands of someone trained to use it and lethal in the hands of someone who isn’t trained to use it.
What happens after a taser is fired? Can it be used again quickly or does it have to be reset in some way?

 

[lisaNYC]

Care to apologize to the African-American community that most of you put on blast for starting this fire?”

Care to tell us who put the African-American community on blast for starting this fire?

 

[SugarQueen]

Joe Ested, a former law enforcement officer and founder of the nonprofit Police Brutality Matters, said an officer must see imminent danger either to himself or to someone else for deadly use of force to be justified.

"When we look at this, the video, you see the subject running away," he said. "There's no life at risk at that time — at all.

"Even a subject running away that has a weapon — unless the weapon the subject has results in death, you still are not able to authorize the use of deadly force."

Two experts say use of deadly force against Rayshard Brooks unwarranted

Again the same question comes up. It a taser was called/ considered a deadly weapon in one Georgia case it would be a deadly weapon in another Georgia case.
What we have here is a convicted felon possessing a taser.
A felon possessing a taser is another felony.
A felon possessing a taser that is being called a deadly weapon in Atlanta(?) then points and fires the deadly weapon taser at LE.
I think Georgia needs to decide if it is or isn’t a deadly weapon. This double standard nonsense isn’t going to cut it.

 

[Keefer]

It’s already been backed up in the post above. We have had this conversation already. You yourself said you believe it can be a lethal weapon.

Refresh my memory, i do not remember anyone mentioning any police force, manufacture of tasers or any court of law that classifies a taser as a deadly weapon?
I am all ears.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Either a taser is a deadly weapon in Georgia or it isn’t. It can’t be both.

Safety Concerns

The TASER device is a non-lethal, weapon.

Taser - Wikipedia

 

[Curiosity1234]

Which makes me wonder, if he was even allowed to be around children at all.

Not really sure who the "victim" is here.

In his YouTube video from a few weeks ago, he speaks about being on probation.

Rayshard Brooks



Rayshard Brooks was wanted for a probation violation for failure to notify the community supervision of his address change and failure to complete theft prevention class for the original offenses of False Imprisonment, Cruelty to Children, Family Violence, Battery and Simple Battery. He left Georgia and was found in Ohio. Per additional court documentation he was picked up on January 6, 2020, in Ohio by the Georgia police.


Clerk of Courts Dockets for Lucas County Common Pleas Court | Lucas County, OH - Official Website

Did I miss something ? It seems to me that Rayshard Brooks was on probation in Georgia. He violated that probation by not showing up for a class and not notifying the probation department he had moved to Ohio. Rayshard Brooks was picked up in Ohio by Georgia police on January 6, 2020 and taken back to Georgia.

 

[Rocky1]

Suddenly, many folks here are claiming a tazer is a deadly weapon? Does the manufacturer classify the taser as a deadly weapon? Can you cite any police force that classifies it as a deadly weapon? Has there ever been a case where a suspect grabbed an officers taser and tased him to death? I do not like tasers either by the way, and I think they should be outlawed.
To those of you claiming it is a deadly weapon do you think they should be outlawed? Also, do you think the officers were within the law to use a “ deadly taser” on Mr. Brooks for resisting arrest?

I don't think that tazer manufacturers claim their product is deadly.
Then again, for years, neither did cigarette manufacturers.
I'm not sure if any police force claims they are a deadly weapon either. My guess is no.
Is a tazer a deadly weapon? Sure it is.

Taser safety issues - Wikipedia.

A weapon doesn't have to be "deadly" for police to use excessive force.
The supreme court ruled that an officer can use deadly force if he/she has probable cause the suspect poses a threat to the officer or others, and can use deadly force if the suspect is fleeing.
Tennessee v. Garner.
If you outlaw Tazers, then you'll have more deadly police shootings. The reason the Tazer was introduced was to decrease deadly shootings. Is that really what you want?

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)

 

[Keefer]

It might be considered non lethal in the hands of someone trained to use it and lethal in the hands of someone who isn’t trained to use it.
What happens after a taser is fired? Can it be used again quickly or does it have to be reset in some way?

Well, you could say that about most any inanimate object too. A rolled up newspaper, a pillow or a pencil for instance can be deadly in the right hands. What is important is how the law classifies it.

 

[SugarQueen]

As I stated above Georgia needs to decide if it is or isn’t lethal in Georgia.

 

[tresir2012]

No, i want the folks here to answer my questions... I f folks here are claiming such things,let them back it up.

I have now given you two sources where a taser was used by police officers. In one, the victim died, in the other the 6 officers were sacked and charged. What evidence are you looking for? Isn't a man dying from being tasered enough evidence for you? If not, then you clearly will never be happy with the answer IMO.

 

[SugarQueen]

Did I miss something ? It seems to me that Rayshard Brooks was on probation in Georgia. He violated that probation by not showing up for a class and not notifying the probation department he had moved to Ohio. Rayshard Brooks was picked up in Ohio by Georgia police on January 6, 2020 and taken back to Georgia.

I believe some are questioning him being allowed around children since some of his past charges are for violence against kids.