GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #4

[katiecoolady]

This defense is just a total mess.. I mean just a mess..

1st you've got Andrea, herself in her sworn testimony in the Hemy trial where she adamantly and repeatedly states that NOONE TOLD HER, HER HUSBAND HAD BEEN SHOT and that she had no clue Rusty was shot UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS LATER AT THE HOSPITAL when she learned for the FIRST TIME that Rusty had been shot..

(a)Then you've got testimony in this trial from Rusty's father, Don Sneiderman stating that in the phone call he received from Andrea(while she was en route from her work to the daycare)..he testifies that Andrea stated that Rusty had been shot.

(b)Followed by testimony in this trial from a coworker of Andrea's who proves that Andrea, via text message, stated that Rusty had been shot(this text message sent at a time waaaay prior to her going to Atlanta Medical Center, when Andrea states she first learned of her husband being shot).

Quite obviously both (a) and (b) directly contradict Andrea's very own words in her sworn, under oath testimony.. IMO basically impeaching Andrea's testimony and proving Andrea perjured herself..

Now enters the Defense Team and we have,

(c) Andrea's mother testifies to the fact that Andrea did not know Rusty had been shot, therefor was not told by ANYONE at Dunwoody Prep or otherwise.. and that Andrea FIRST LEARNED that Rusty had been shot while at the hospital, Atlanta Medical Center.

(d)The defense then puts on Donna Fornato from Dunwoody, who IMO does a remarkable job of opening wide the possibility that she may have told Andrea Sneiderman that her husband, Rusty had been shot.

(e)Followed by the defense then putting Elizabeth Stansbury on the witness stand to state that the admin.of Dunwoody Prep told her on the day of the murder that Andrea Sneiderman had collapsed into a chair at the daycare when she(admin.) told Andrea that Rusty had been shot.

So, IMO both (d) and (e) are laying foundation of Andrea in fact having been told by Dunwoody employees that Rusty had been shot(with (e) obviously being the more direct of the two).

Quite obviously this testimony today being in direct contradiction from both Andrea's prior testimony from the Hemy trial, and more importantly directly contradicting with their own defense witness, Dr. Greenberg's(aka Andrea's mom) account just testified to mere days ago..

Just what the hell is this defense team doing?. To me its just a complete and utter mess of direct contradictions and lies with it being their very own defense witnesses that are giving the contradicting, damning testimony indicating the heaping mess of lies..

Just WTF is their intention and/or plan in doing all this?

Throw as much confusion against the wall to obfuscate her obfuscations?
I just hope she takes the stand...i think she may be in conflict with her lawyers who are trying to convince her not to do it.
As a side note, I'm in a private FB group created by a local defense attorney to discuss this trial and her friend Elizabeth testified then came right in there (to the group) and started posting. Her husband is also in there. Though I think the majority of posters think she's guilty of definitely the perjury as well as complicit in the murder. (I know I feel that way).

I think Andrea's trying to control this whole thing in every venue she can find.

 

[katiecoolady]

Love your post above SmoothOperator, also my additional question is:

Andrea arrives at the daycare...falls out of her car, can't walk and this is suppose to be BEFORE she know RS has been shot...assuming the daycare is willing to admit they might have told her when she got inside...

Yes she has that fit of hysteria rendering her unable to walk yet is able to make a conscious decision to leave her child at the crime scene, claiming it's the "safest place for him to be" or some such nonsense.

 

[LambChop]

Copied this from the Joey Jackson fan page on FB. Wow. Guilty as sin. Hope murder charges come next:



This is more than interesting! Here are the phone records for Andrea Sneiderman on the day Rusty was murdered. How does she explain all of these calls to Hemy? And none to Rusty? Unbelievable!!!

I believe ONE VOICE MAIL would have been sufficient to Hemy if she was just telling him she was leaving work due to an emergency! I hope the jury gets the gist of all of these calls to Hemy like we do!!! Wow.....is all I can say!

November 18, 2010:

9.25am Dunwoody Prep calls Andrea informing her of accident
9.27am Andrea calls Hemy
9.30am Andrea calls Hemy
9.31am Andrea calls Hemy
9.35am Andrea calls Hemy
9.36am Andrea calls Don Sneiderman (40 minutes before reaching the medical centre)
10.06am Andrea calls Hemy
10.27am Andrea calls Hemy
10.33am Andrea calls Hemy's work phone
10.34am Andrea txt Hemy
10.35am Andrea txt colleague "my husband was shot"
10.42am Andrea calls Shayna
10.43am Hemy txt or call Andrea
10.45am Andrea calls Hemy's work phone
10.46am Andrea calls Hemy.
ARRIVE AT MEDICAL CENTRE
12.06pm Hemy txt Andrea
12.47pm Hemy txt Andrea
2.11pm Hemy calls Andrea
2.21pm Hemy txt Andrea
3.44pm Hemy work phone calls Andrea

________________________________________

On November 19, 2010
There were 2 calls from Andrea to Hemy:
11.48pm duration 3 minutes
11.52pm duration 3 minutes, 49 seconds

________________________________________

Between May 1 2010 and November 18 2010 there were
1426 communications between Andrea and Hemy (txt/calls). This is only between their phones.

Between these two dates, there were only 882 between Andrea and Rusty.

At 9:25 all AS knows, according to the daycare, is that there was an accident with no mention of Rusty. So why didn't she call Rusty if she wasn't sure it involved him. It could have been anything such as her child was involved with another child and there was an accident and her son may have been too upset to stay at school. Since Rusty just dropped their son off I can't imagine why she wouldn't have tried to call him first and she did not call him at all????? jmo

 

[katiecoolady]

At 9:25 all AS knows, according to the daycare, is that there was an accident with no mention of Rusty. So why didn't she call Rusty if she wasn't sure it involved him. It could have been anything such as her child was involved with another child and there was an accident and her son may have been too upset to stay at school. Since Rusty just dropped their son off I can't imagine why she wouldn't have tried to call him first and she did not call him at all????? jmo

ALL of her behavior points, to me, like a person who knew this crime was going down that day.

 

[LambChop]

Yes she has that fit of hysteria rendering her unable to walk yet is able to make a conscious decision to leave her child at the crime scene, claiming it's the "safest place for him to be" or some such nonsense.

That got me, too. With all the relatives, her dad, mom, brother....one of them could have watched her son while they went to the hospital. As a mother and not knowing who had done this I would never, ever leave my child in the care of others. I would want him home. jmo

 

[JusticeJunkie]

looked up the "group" interview AS's friend said they all ten gave. But she is the only one talking .

http://www.friendsofandrea.com/video/ES_Insession.mov

 

[SmoothOperator]

Love your post above SmoothOperator, also my additional question is:

Andrea arrives at the daycare...falls out of her car, can't walk and this is suppose to be BEFORE she know RS has been shot...assuming the daycare is willing to admit they might have told her when she got inside...

Yes, dragonfly, is it not just ludicrous??

In going with the version that Andrea and mom have both now testified to, in it being fact that Andrea had no idea that her husband had been shot until their arrival at the hospital..IMO looking at this version being true, and Andrea just having received a phone call at work, a little after 9am, from the staff of Dunwoody informing her of nothing other than there had been an accident and that Ian was unharmed and uninvolved...

In looking at this scenario can one really reconcile JUST Andrea's actions and behaviors in that teeny, tiny window of time from her notified/leaving work and traveling straight to Dunwoody Prep..just that tiny, brief period of time can one really reconcile her actions/behaviors as being anyway whatsoever consistent with ONLY HAVING THIS TINY MODICUM OF INFORMATION that there was an accident and that Ian was unharmed/uninvolved???

Because I certainly CANNOT.. and I DO NOT find it even remotely believable on any level considering her actions, statements, and behaviors just within those mere minutes of time ..

The biggest, outstanding red flag of behavior/action on Andrea's part is the nonexistent attempted phone calls/texts to her husband's phone!.. I know its been brought up and even asked of her during the Hemy trial to which she blasted her answer back at the prosecutor that she stayed on the phone with mommy for the large duration of the drive from work to daycare and this left no time for Rusty, no time to call Rusty's phone! <<-----yep her angry defensive answer to this question really sealed the deal, so to speak, wrt her having nothing, nothing remotely legitimate for an answer as to why she would not have made one single attempt to call Rusty's phone..

That's honestly so telling, IMO.. Because given the knowledge of there having been an accident, IMO the first instinct is to call Rusty..she was given nothing even suggesting her husband had suffered a fatal injury..or even major injury for that matter..IMO there is nothing that would not keep you from immediately going straight to the source to find out what's happening, in this case that being, Rusty..unless you had knowledge that that there was ZERO CHANCE of his being able..and with what Andrea states was her knowledge AT THAT TIME, there is nothing that would indicate that he was incapacitated, IMO..

And Good Lord that's just the tip of the iceberg in regards to her actions/behaviors in just that teeny window of time(mere minutes)..as that's not even going into the completely bizarre, totally inappropriate actions/behaviors of her literally flinging her body out of her vehicle, onto the asphalt of the parking lot..and not even to speak of the extremely awkward "twisted tango dance" that we saw on video of her with the police officer in the parking lot.. Good Gawd!!

Honestly just in looking at that tiny window of time, again mere minutes, and all of Andrea's actions, behaviors, and statements made within that small window of time..can anyone honestly reconcile those with being in any way whatsoever consistent with what she states was her ONLY knowledge AT THAT POINT IN TIME?.. IMO NO, YOU CANNOT!..of course jmo, tho..

 

[LambChop]

Is it possible that Elizabeth Stansbury might be mistaken about what she heard? We have heard how the daycare was trying to be careful what they were telling Andrea because LE had instructed them not to tell her. It's possible that when she fell into the chair someone from the staff told her that Rusty had been involved in an accident and not necessarily that he had been shot. That they did not know anything else. Once Andrea left the staff were permitted to discuss the shooting among themselves. If Andrea had been told she would have immediately told her mother because according to her mom Andrea tells her everything.

It sounds to me that ES may have misinterpreted what she had been told about their discussions with Andrea. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I have to say this. While I watched her "crying" and throwing her head down on the desk today all I could think of was the State needs to add another count for bad acting. I know it's not really a crime, but it should be. JMO

 

[aa9511]

None only that (and thanks for putting it in such a clear and easy-to-understand way)....but isn't it just common sense that the daycare people would have told her he had been shot? For example, if it was me (let's say my name is Andrea)....the daycare lady calls:
Daycare lady: "'Andrea please come quickly...there's been an accident."
Me: "What do you mean...accident...what happened...is it one of the kids...what happened?!"
Daycare: "No, the kids are fine...but please come...something....something has happened"
Me: "what do you mean...something happened...what is it?!"
Daycare: "it's rusty...something happened to him when he was dropping off the kids"
Me: "Rusty...Omigod!!! What happened? What happened? Like a heart attack or somtehing? A car accident? What do you mean???"
Daycare: "No, Andrea, he was shot!!! Please just come quickly!"
Me: "He was shot??? Omigosh!!!!!! What??? Okay, I'm coming, I'm coming."
Hang up and drive as quickly as I can.

Now disclaimer, I haven't been keeping up with the trial, just come on here every and check what everyone is saying about it. But, that would be my thought based on common sense, of how a conversation like that would go. And I can't believe no one would have told her until she got to the medical center that he had been shot. I mean, if something happens to my children or my husband, you can bet I would be asking non-stop until I get an answer.

Eh, er....oops. Sorry, folks...after reading some other posts, I realize we are actually supposed to NOT want her to have found out he was shot, at least not BEFORE she sent the other text messages, am I right now?

But actually...since it makes more sense that she knew he was shot before she reached the medical center...then the fact that she lied about it is weird. Because the natural thing for her would be to have already known he was shot. So by lying about it, it's like she's trying to "fit" with the evidence. That prosecution could use her text messages to show she knew what had happened.

Like I said, I haven't kept up with this trial or followed Hemy's...so is it possible she got caught in the "I didn't know until medical center" lie in the beginning b/c she got freaked out b/c she actually DID know wayyyy beforehand...and then she stuck to that lie so it wouldn't seem suspicious?

 

[MeeBee]

At 9:25 all AS knows, according to the daycare, is that there was an accident with no mention of Rusty. So why didn't she call Rusty if she wasn't sure it involved him. It could have been anything such as her child was involved with another child and there was an accident and her son may have been too upset to stay at school. Since Rusty just dropped their son off I can't imagine why she wouldn't have tried to call him first and she did not call him at all????? jmo

When I was watching Andrea's testimony at Hemy's trial that was it for me. The prosecution asked her why she didn't call Rusty and she spit back, "they just told me something happened to him, what are the chances he's going to answer?" No. Just no effing way. If someone called me and told me something had happened to my husband but didn't say what (or whatever she was told), he would be the very first person I called. I would be absolutely desperate and in a panic to reach him, just hear his voice tell me he was fine. Instead she called her boss first then called him three more times. Her reason is that she was trying to inform him there was an emergency and she wouldn't be back to work. If I even had the presence of mind to care what my boss thought at that moment, no matter how close he was to my family, I would call once, maybe leave a message and let him deal with me later. She was more desperate to get in contact with Hemy than with Rusty.

That is just not how normal people act when they are in that situation. Even taking into account how different people act in a crisis, her actions don't make sense at all. Then there's her acting like a hysterical lunatic from the moment she arrives at the daycare, when at this point in time she has no idea what's going on, or she's not supposed to. Just like her court room performance, it's over the top. That's how people act when they find out something awful has happened to someone they love, not "something happened, get down here."

She absolutely knew what was going to happen, played Hemy Neuman for a fool, and got him to do her dirty work. I hope the state brings murder charges once she's convicted in this trial. And I hope they find a way to retrieve those texts, at least. Shouldn't they be able to get those from the phone companies???

 

[aa9511]

Yes she has that fit of hysteria rendering her unable to walk yet is able to make a conscious decision to leave her child at the crime scene, claiming it's the "safest place for him to be" or some such nonsense.

Hey KCL! I've missed you on here! I know this is O/T...but did you by any chance follow Joshua Young trial? That's the only one I've followed since CMJA.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Is it possible that Elizabeth Stansbury might be mistaken about what she heard? We have heard how the daycare was trying to be careful what they were telling Andrea because LE had instructed them not to tell her. It's possible that when she fell into the chair someone from the staff told her that Rusty had been involved in an accident and not necessarily that he had been shot. That they did not know anything else. Once Andrea left the staff were permitted to discuss the shooting among themselves. If Andrea had been told she would have immediately told her mother because according to her mom Andrea tells her everything.

It sounds to me that ES may have misinterpreted what she had been told about their discussions with Andrea. jmo

Lamb, I just listened to ES's lone interview (for 30 min), and she states what a good friend she is With AS, that AS confided in her,and that the
FIRST TIME AS knew what happened to Rusty was when she got to the HOSPITAL.

Kinda wish the state would have mentioned that since the def is changing their stance on that topic.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Eh, er....oops. Sorry, folks...after reading some other posts, I realize we are actually supposed to NOT want her to have found out he was shot, at least not BEFORE she sent the other text messages, am I right now?

But actually...since it makes more sense that she knew he was shot before she reached the medical center...then the fact that she lied about it is weird. Because the natural thing for her would be to have already known he was shot. So by lying about it, it's like she's trying to "fit" with the evidence. That prosecution could use her text messages to show she knew what had happened.

Like I said, I haven't kept up with this trial or followed Hemy's...so is it possible she got caught in the "I didn't know until medical center" lie in the beginning b/c she got freaked out b/c she actually DID know wayyyy beforehand...and then she stuck to that lie so it wouldn't seem suspicious?

Above BBM.. Ding! Ding!

Andrea's accounting was that she didn't know anything..she didn't even know he was shot until at the hospital hours later..

Well, Rusty's father then said that in his initial phone call with Andrea that morning(when she called him while she was en route from her work to the daycare) that Andrea stated Rusty had been shot..

Andrea vehemently has denied this saying No one at Dunwoody told her anything other than just that there had been accident, period.. She says she did not tell Rusty's father in that first phone call that Rusty was shot..

Well, that's been a he said/she said situation, but the prosecutor just brought forward a witness and evidence that PROVES Andrea knew and was telling people Rusty was shot while en route from work to the daycare..

The witness is a coworker and they had actually saved the text message that Andrea sent them where she does indeed state that Rusty had been shot. The msg sent hours prior to her ever going to the hospital where she claims that she FIRST LEARNED her husband was shot..

She knew, yet supposedly no one had yet told her this info, therefor posing quite a problem for how it was that Andrea KNEW RUSTY WAS SHOT prior to ever being told by anyone..

 

[aa9511]

Above BBM.. Ding! Ding!

Andrea's accounting was that she didn't know anything..she didn't even know he was shot until at the hospital hours later..

Well, Rusty's father then said that in his initial phone call with Andrea that morning(when she called him while she was en route from her work to the daycare) that Andrea stated Rusty had been shot..

Andrea vehemently has denied this saying No one at Dunwoody told her anything other than just that there had been accident, period.. She says she did not tell Rusty's father in that first phone call that Rusty was shot..

Well, that's been a he said/she said situation, but the prosecutor just brought forward a witness and evidence that PROVES Andrea knew and was telling people Rusty was shot while en route from work to the daycare..

The witness is a coworker and they had actually saved the text message that Andrea sent them where she does indeed state that Rusty had been shot. The msg sent hours prior to her ever going to the hospital where she claims that she FIRST LEARNED her husband was shot..

She knew, yet supposedly no one had yet told her this info, therefor posing quite a problem for how it was that Andrea KNEW RUSTY WAS SHOT prior to ever being told by anyone..

Thanks Smooth...and to me it doesn't even matter when she knew Rusty was shot and who she told when....the messed up part is the number of times she calls Hemy! There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLAINING that, no matter what lie she came up with it would not be believable because there is no explanation, other than GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.

I don't see why she didn't just admit from the beginning that she was having an affair with Hemy, and then use her other excuse that she didn't know he was going to do it. She could have said that she sensed that he was obsessed with her, and had a feeling when she heard what happened that he had done it, and that's why she called him...she wanted to know what he had done. She knew when she heard "accident" that Hemy had done it b/c he was psycho/obsessed with her. That would have been a lot more believable than her lie about the whole affair...I just don't get it. It just shows she's dumb.

 

[TorisMom003]

Ok, why in the world would the defense want this witness to say that she was told by Andrea that she knew who the killer was, her boss Rusty, when Andrea never told LE who she thought the killer was?

Sorry to quote myself but just noticed a major typo in this. It should read that Andrea told her friend that she knew who the killer was, her boss HEMY, but Andrea never told LE that.

ETA: IMO the defense did nothing today other than prove the State's case for them.

 

[katiecoolady]

That got me, too. With all the relatives, her dad, mom, brother....one of them could have watched her son while they went to the hospital. As a mother and not knowing who had done this I would never, ever leave my child in the care of others. I would want him home. jmo

That is a detail that has gotten completely under my skin. I'm not even a mother but I wouldn't leave my dang CAT at a crime scene like that, much less the scene where the child's own father was shot and killed. That one fact disturbs me as much as anything in the whole dang trial.

 

[katiecoolady]

I have to say this. While I watched her "crying" and throwing her head down on the desk today all I could think of was the State needs to add another count for bad acting. I know it's not really a crime, but it should be. JMO

That kind of emotional outburst would never be allowed in most courtrooms. Andrea with her manipulations once again. I just wonder who she might kiss as they walk off the stand during her defense case.

 

[fran]

That is a detail that has gotten completely under my skin. I'm not even a mother but I wouldn't leave my dang CAT at a crime scene like that, much less the scene where the child's own father was shot and killed. That one fact disturbs me as much as anything in the whole dang trial.

I have tried to give Andrea the benefit of the doubt since the very beginning of this horrible crime. But she continues to astound me.

I'm with you! I would NEVER leave my child under the circumstances she encountered that day. You add in the calls to H right after she was told of the emergency. What the heck?!

Poor Rusty.

fran

 

[katiecoolady]

I have tried to give Andrea the doubt since the very beginning of this horrible crime. But she continues to astound me.

I'm with you! I would NEVER leave my child under the circumstances she encountered that day. You add in the calls to H right after she was told of the emergency. What the heck?!

Poor Rusty.

fran

It blows my mind that ANYONE gets behind her leaving her kid in that scene for hours. And she went HOME! Why not grab your kid out of there, take him home, have either one of your parents stay with him or call a friend to watch him AT HOME while you were sorting this out. It shows me a. she knew the threat was gone and b. she's really not that connected to her child. Edited to add c. I believe she planned this thing to an inch of it's life but she didn't work "what about my child at the daycare" in to her plan because like all good Narcissists, she was focused entirely on herself and her bad acting I might add.