GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #5

[MeeBee]

Is there a date for the suit?

Thanks. I can not figure out how to thank from the updated app.

No problem!

It was filed last year in May. It sounds like they were waiting for the outcome of this trial before moving it forward and now that she's been convicted are moving it along. Andrea tried to have it thrown out in, around Oct. I think, but was denied.

 

[gitana1]

You're probably right gitana. Hemy was convicted of being mentally ill. Getting a jury to take his word for it would be a huge challenge. Also, I read that the reason the state dropped the charges was because the defense turned over a deposition that changed their minds. Is it possible that Hemy was deposed and said something (like he acted alone) that all but forced them to drop the charges?

Also, re: CA: it's a shame the state didn't find the "full proof suffocation" searches in time, since, even without it, that search seems to jel with the prosecution's theory of how Caylee was murdered.

Although, you have to wonder, since the jury just did not follow instructions and seemed bent on acquitting her.

I'm going to say something that many may not like but here goes. I think that the prosecution and LE began to believe early on, from their gut instincts as investigators and from the evidence they uncovered, that AS was somehow complicit in Rusty's murder. Perhaps they weren't sure to what degree, but they were positive she was involved.

I also think they knew for awhile that there evidence was not strong.

But, charging her with murder was a tactic. Much like her defense says, it colored how people viewed her in the media, it put pressure on her and it allowed her to be somewhat punished for 11 months during house arrest and 20 days in jail for something they likely knew they could not get a conviction for.

I do not think they actually intended to try the murder charge. I don't think there was any discovery that was presented at the last minute that caused them to question their certainty about her possible guilt. I think they have firm beliefs about her involvement in her husbands murder but could not gain a conviction with the evidence they have.

gitana, I don't ever disagree with your opinions when it comes to the legal stuff. What I meant was, I think that the state was over-confident in what they thought they had proven to the jury. I agree, she was guilty of murder. Totally. I also agree with the punishment aspect of the sequestration. She should have been found guilty of child neglect resulting in death, at the very least. I just didn't word it as well as I could have. I hope that makes sense...

It does!! My apologies for misreading!!!

Wow! Glad I'm not the only one that found that totaly bazaar. Clegg was even crying. She hugged them so tight as she did shayna citron. That realy creeped me out totaly.

Has anyone here ever seen lawyers line up to give these type of client interaction in the courtroom? Seems to me AS was putting on a show, but for who?

Ciao

My gosh, can someone link me to the spectacle? I think AS and many associated with her, including that strange woman who testified for the state (Shayna), are very bizarre, unreal and have been phonies for so long they don't know how to act normally.

It's all theatre. It's all about attention and conveying the picture they want to convey.

Just odd as can be.

 

[MeeBee]

Wow, Gitana. All that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining it. I always love hearing from our lawyers.

 

[Roy23]

I think that's is going to depend on the outcome of HN's appeal. And what he has to say afterward. CarolinaMoon made an excellent post about that on this thread.

DA James specifically said he doesn't see any forthcoming charges based upon discovery evidence. Upon receiving it on July 15, they changed how they viewed much of the evidence and reinterviewed witnesses. I don't believe Hemy's statements even matter anymore unless he has got a smoking gun and I doubt he does.

 

[mka237]

I think AS and many associated with her, including that strange woman who testified for the state (Shayna), are very bizarre, unreal and have been phonies for so long they don't know how to act normally.

It's all theatre. It's all about attention and conveying the picture they want to convey.

Just odd as can be.

lol -- how true --my youngest son, who is also in LE, like his brother and dad, walked in one day when I had the Jody Arias trial on, and since they are in court all the time, they don't understand why I watch these trials -- I was telling him how bizarre the trial was, etc. and he said "Ma, they (trials) are all a circus, just one big circus." Sad that he is so jaded at such a young age and I still take trials so serious.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm going to say something that many may not like but here goes. I think that the prosecution and LE began to believe early on, from their gut instincts as investigators and from the evidence they uncovered, that AS was somehow complicit in Rusty's murder. Perhaps they weren't sure to what degree, but they were positive she was involved.

I also think they knew for awhile that there evidence was not strong.

But, charging her with murder was a tactic. Much like her defense says, it colored how people viewed her in the media, it put pressure on her and it allowed her to be somewhat punished for 11 months during house arrest and 20 days in jail for something they likely knew they could not get a conviction for.

I do not think they actually intended to try the murder charge. I don't think there was any discovery that was presented at the last minute that caused them to question their certainty about her possible guilt. I think they have firm beliefs about her involvement in her husbands murder but could not gain a conviction with the evidence they have.

That makes a lot of sense and I think I agree. But I also find tactics like this.. I don't know underhanded. It seems more to me like what a defense lawyer would do and not a prosecutor. Makes me a little sad a little..

I do have to say her lawyers seem overly invested in AS. They do seem to have an odd connection. When her atty stood up and said he may cry, I could not believe that.

This sounds like the spectacle that keeps on giving.

 

[Harmony 2]

Please stop personalizing posts!!!! Posts should be focused on the trial and information garnered from the evidence. Thanks!!

 

[SmoothOperator]

My tablets acting crazy so my apologies if this has already been posted numerous times and I'm just missing it..will someone plz post link to video of Andrea's hugging goodbye to her attys and fam?

TIA

 

[borndem]

Totaly agree with you. I did not realize how much narsisism there was in Andreas family. Listening to shayna citrons atty on hln after dark last night! Shayna said that the day after the murder, she was at Andreas house with andrea and Andreas dad! And Andreas dad said " we are going to throw them to the wolves"
Meaning the cops or detectives coming to question andrea. The apple doesn't fall to far from the tree. So sad that three marriage were affected were destroyed by Andreas selfishness.
Andreas husband murdered, hemi's wife cheated on. As well as dell and his wife.
I truly am beginning to think that andreas dad coached her! To save face and fear of loosing his daughter, and save face with their other family and friends.
The sniedermans lost their son and two grandchildren, not their fault, because andrea punished them for her own actions. I. Pray they get to see their grandkids. Andreas dad stated that he loved rusty like a son! Yet he lets dell move in with them. Wasnt she supposedly in grief stricken mode. Sorry. If I don't make sense but this realy bothered me.

Oh, katydid, you are so right -- esp. about the apple and the tree...

The Sneidermans have filed about the insurance being in trust for the children, and it sounds like they had no choice, so I'm very glad that they did -- and the sooner the better. There will most likely be an administrator-trix/executor-trix appointed and that person usually can get payment for hours spent in doing the administration. That can be quite a draw for someone trying to cash in on the funds, or it can simply be someone who truly only has the children in mind. Hmmmm, huh?

Looks like they also -- if they haven't already -- must file a complaint/lawsuit (or whatever it is called in GA) for custody/joint custody of the children as well. This was done by the grandparents and the twin sister of the Brad Cooper/deceased Nancy Cooper in NC. If it is contested, the parent/grandparents must respond and testify under oath or custody could be given solely to the plaintiffs. (Please excuse this reference, but that's how it works in NC law -- IANAL, and all I know is a bit about NC law.) Sue 'em.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I wonder if the sneidermans can file for custody if AS the living parent has already decided where the children will live and who will care for them while she is incarcerated?

Her parents are the custodial guardians while she is in prison yes?

I just wonder how much power those grandparents have. Are there grandparent rights in their state?

 

[tezi]

I'm going to say something that many may not like but here goes. I think that the prosecution and LE began to believe early on, from their gut instincts as investigators and from the evidence they uncovered, that AS was somehow complicit in Rusty's murder. Perhaps they weren't sure to what degree, but they were positive she was involved.

I also think they knew for awhile that there evidence was not strong.

But, charging her with murder was a tactic. Much like her defense says, it colored how people viewed her in the media, it put pressure on her and it allowed her to be somewhat punished for 11 months during house arrest and 20 days in jail for something they likely knew they could not get a conviction for.

I do not think they actually intended to try the murder charge. I don't think there was any discovery that was presented at the last minute that caused them to question their certainty about her possible guilt. I think they have firm beliefs about her involvement in her husbands murder but could not gain a conviction with the evidence they have.



It does!! My apologies for misreading!!!





My gosh, can someone link me to the spectacle? I think AS and many associated with her, including that strange woman who testified for the state (Shayna), are very bizarre, unreal and have been phonies for so long they don't know how to act normally.

It's all theatre. It's all about attention and conveying the picture they want to convey.

Just odd as can be.

No, you don't apologize, I didn't write it very clear! I should be the one apologizing...:blushing:

And, I have never thought about the murder charges the way you explained it above. That could very well be it.

I apologize for not being more clear in my post earlier!

 

[JusticeJunkie]

My tablets acting crazy so my apologies if this has already been posted numerous times and I'm just missing it..will someone plz post link to video of Andrea's hugging goodbye to her attys and fam?

TIA

Get your tissues out.. It's a tear jerker! lol

[video=youtube;kIwraM8kiYI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIwraM8kiYI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUnN4ZxVAFoGrg-EhoRxhtTA[/video]

 

[borndem]

I'm going to say something that many may not like but here goes. I think that the prosecution and LE began to believe early on, from their gut instincts as investigators and from the evidence they uncovered, that AS was somehow complicit in Rusty's murder. Perhaps they weren't sure to what degree, but they were positive she was involved.

I also think they knew for awhile that there evidence was not strong.

But, charging her with murder was a tactic. Much like her defense says, it colored how people viewed her in the media, it put pressure on her and it allowed her to be somewhat punished for 11 months during house arrest and 20 days in jail for something they likely knew they could not get a conviction for.

I do not think they actually intended to try the murder charge. I don't think there was any discovery that was presented at the last minute that caused them to question their certainty about her possible guilt. I think they have firm beliefs about her involvement in her husbands murder but could not gain a conviction with the evidence they have.

It does!! My apologies for misreading!!!

My gosh, can someone link me to the spectacle? I think AS and many associated with her, including that strange woman who testified for the state (Shayna), are very bizarre, unreal and have been phonies for so long they don't know how to act normally.

It's all theatre. It's all about attention and conveying the picture they want to convey.

Just odd as can be.

gitana, I liked everything you said above, and I agree with it, but I could not have expressed as well as you did.

I think LEO's (the smart & good ones) who have been "on the job" for a while develop a certain sense, or gut feelings, or whatever you call it, etc., that comes from experience. I think anyone in a job that requires some smarts and for which people have pride, do the same thing -- we all know how valuable experience and been-there-done-that is when thinking though a problem and looking for a plan to fix it or solve it or simply approach it. And the LEO's and the prosecutor had that sense on this woman...

If your theory is correct -- a high probability, IMO -- I don't think there was anything wrong with what they did. It wasn't unethical, IMO, and I don't think there was anything illegal about it. Charges get dropped in cases frequently. That may have been the only way that the prosecutor could get her into court on charges of perjury and misrepresentation, etc. Certainly perjury, etc., is breaking the law & subject to arrest and prosecution, but how often do we see it unless it is a really big offense. Which this really isn't, IMO. I was very glad to see it, and it should have been done, certainly, and it was a pretty good victory, so it was worth it. And it might just be the last time we see her as a defendant...

Anyway, thanks for stating what you did, gitana. Right on!

 

[borndem]

I wonder if the sneidermans can file for custody if AS the living parent has already decided where the children will live and who will care for them while she is incarcerated?

Her parents are the custodial guardians while she is in prison yes?

I just wonder how much power those grandparents have. Are there grandparent rights in their state?

Again, I don't know how this works in GA, but in the Cooper case, as I mentioned above, the sister of the deceased mother, and her parents sued the father for custody. He was eventually arrested and later convicted of the murder of his wife, the mother of the children, but he was not arrested at the time of the custody suit. The sister and maternal grandparents, who were Canadian citizens, won full custody. And they still have custody and his parents (the paternal grandparents), also Canadians, have visitation rights.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think that would be the difference. No murder charges. I think that is a game changer.
I don't know. It will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Coldpizza]

Andrea Sneiderman's defense lawyers asking for new trial

Tuesday, Sneiderman's attorneys said they planned to appeal based on several issues in her trial, including the judge allowing testimony from convicted killer Hemy Neuman's realtor, Melanie White, who recounted details of the alleged affair relayed to her by Neuman.

Morgan also said attorneys had issues with Judge Gregory A. Adams not allowing jurors to hear a secret recording of Dunwoody Police Chief Billy Grogan telling Andrea Sneiderman police had arrested Neuman. In the recording, Sneiderman is heard screaming in disbelief after Grogan tells her they'd arrested her boss.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/andrea-sneidermans-defense-lawyers-asking-new-tria/nZYdk/

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Has anyone else heard the tape of AS being told about the arrest?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I already posted the "scream" a week ago - what a laugh! And the most important thing about the "scream" conversation - they are telling AS they made an arrest. she NEVER asks who!

 

[MeeBee]

I already posted the "scream" a week ago - what a laugh! And the most important thing about the "scream" conversation - they are telling AS they made an arrest. she NEVER asks who!

It's just Andrea drama, overacting again. Screaming at the news they'd arrested somone? GMAB.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Did you post it in this thread? I would like to hear it.. Thanks!