GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #5

[Amster]

One of the reasons Andrea feels she is so "special" is because of the undying support she receives from some people. Mainly because she is female. Big, bad man forced her to lie, attempt a coverup, perjure herself.....while her husband, father of her children (of whom she uses to garner sympathy) is dead by the hands of her lover. What a tragedy! This is who some will use as a positive role model? A heroine? :facepalm:

Meaning her "friends" from the murder trial and the new "friends" from this trial....hope they don't have young daughters.

 

[Roy23]

I did not hear that. I heard her say she wish she had read them.. I did not hear her say she deleted them.

I just listened to the closing arguments.
Some things there I had not heard before. I did not see the actual emails and messages though. Just the prosecutor talking about them.

I see big leaps people are making. People taking things and fitting in a way that works for them.

I think the thing the bothers me is that she called hemy that morning of Rusty's death. I still don't think that makes her complicit but it does not bode well.

I just have never seen such a to do about someone possibly lying about the nature of their relationship.
I can see this in a few ways and have no clear conclusion yet.

The prosecutor can't lie or make up facts. He gave you a list of facts that can not be disputed by anyone. He then put it all together. Some facts that I remember:

Andrea goes to longmont colorado for training. Hemy send her an email that is DOCUMENTED and sourced that he is coming but he is not coming on business. He sends Andrea Chocolate and Flowers to which she replies he is so romantic. At the same time it is SOURCED that Andrea changed Hotel rooms with a different requirements. Does it prove she slept with him? You can say no. Is it inappropriate by Hemy, yes!

It is sourced immediately upon return of that trip that Andrea sent Hemy Rusty's email address. Don't ask me but that seems strange but I won't get carried away with that.

Lets go to the Greeneville trip. Facts--people say they saw them together in a bar dancing and whatever? no big deal? Upon return from that trip she sends an email to him saying she has disgraced her husband and kids and she will repent for the rest of her life. What else do you think that is about when you put it all together?

 

[fifteen89]

I don't think it's that hard to put facts together and draw your own conclusions. It's called circumstantial evidence. A lot of people here have presented facts and it just led them in a different direction than you. There's not gonna be video evidence of it, unless the pros. gets very lucky. You just have to draw your own conclusions. I don't think it's that hard to see. Why delete texts and emails if she had nothing to hide?

Also, the only side I can see having alterior motives is Andrea's friends, and several of them, at least Elizabeth and her mom, have given contradictory statements. I don't know what the motive the bartender, or whatever she was, would have to lie about what she saw. Or Shayna Citron.

bbm
Exactly.

And if you have nothing to hide, why not scream from the top of your lungs that your boss has been stalking you, pursuing a personal, intimate relationship with you that you have been unsuccessful at stopping.

After all, once you learn that your husband was shot dead in the parkinglot of your childrens daycare, wouldn't your top priority be finding the killer? Not hiding an affair to 'protect your image'?

The dots more than connect for me without a video of the bedroom.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Robert James is on HLN and is explaining why he dropped murder charges. It should be repeated in the next hour.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I am thinking that a video tape certified by the federal government and whichever power they believe in, wouldn't convince some people of the affair. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Oh eeeeewwww!!! I PRAY to the gods that doesn't exist. I mean, really... gross!!! :sick:

 

[JusticeJunkie]

James is being interviewed on HLN.

 

[Roy23]

bbm
Exactly.

And if you have nothing to hide, why not scream from the top of your lungs that your boss has been stalking you, pursuing a personal, intimate relationship with you that you have been unsuccessful at stopping.

After all, once you learn that your husband was shot dead in the parkinglot of your childrens daycare, wouldn't your top priority be finding the killer? Not hiding an affair to 'protect your image'?

The dots more than connect for me without a video of the bedroom.

I think she was protecting her image. Admitting the affair also meant that the affair she was involved in was directly responsible for the death of her husband and the father of her children. At the time that was too much guilt for her to confront. She made a poor choice and I imagine her kids will take real issue with it one day.

 

[jking]

People quit or change jobs every day because of their bosses or work environment.
She could have turned him in, or done what every other person who can't get along with their boss do.
Ask yourself why she really didn't tell Rusty any of this. "He would have made me quit" was what she said. Sounds like it would have been good advice, but she was going to do what she wanted to do, knowing there was a problem she wasn't handling. She RESPONDED to his advances because she was flattered. If she had kept this a business relationship, I'm betting Hemy would have backed off. He continued because she responded.
When a personal conversation starts, just change the subject. Or say outright, "'I'd rather not discuss my personal life."Nobody forced her to share the personal thing going on in her life, including her marital problems. This is if having a personal relationship makes you uncomfortable, which it obviously did not to Andrea.
I suspect the arguments she and Rusty had about her job included Rusty wanting her to quit, and I suspect Andrea refused. I hope she feels guilt for betraying Rusty.

Not to mention the hundreds of photos of her children she sent to HN. Did he harass her into doing that?

 

[jking]

I also want to add that IF, and only IF she didn't go to HR for fear of what would happen, I personally find that to be a bunch of BS. It is 2013, even back in 2010, harassment is taken very seriously. If it were 30 years ago, I may change my opinion.

I worked for a very prestigious company. In about my 10th yr, I was harassed sexually. He was not my manager, but a different manager. He thought he was being cute, and joking. I'm not going to go into to details, but suffice it to say, I reported it. It was handled in a professional manner. My reporting it was never held against me. I'm still there for 22 yrs.

So to me, the not reporting it excuse doesn't fly, ESPECIALLY with a company like GE. It also doesn't fly with me that she sent him hundreds of pictures of her kids, and all the other things she did. :twocents:

Softail-I completely agree with you. I worked for a company very similar to GE and harassment was taken very seriously. I remember one manager being fired for sexually harassing one of his employees. This was in the early 90's. Perhaps in a small private company managers can get away with harassment but not a large company like GE.

 

[MeeBee]

I found this on the Joey Jackson fan page:


Not certain if this article is correct but it states ...

"Remarkably (and unfortunately for Sneiderman), Georgia is one of the few Southern states that does not offer good time credit for inmates convicted of non-violent crimes."

Here's the article:

http://allthingscrimeblog.com/2013/...ced-to-five-years-in-prison-less-time-served/

 

[JusticeJunkie]

We are all entitled to our opinions. But, IMO - None of our opinions matter. The jury found her guilty on 9 out of 13 counts. They also believed she was having an affair.



http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2013/08/20/2675583/

Soft, that woman finally got what she wanted. She's been wanting her mug on the camera the whole trial, going so far as to lean forward the entire trial so that the camera would catch her. lol

 

[tezi]

Oh eeeeewwww!!! I PRAY to the gods that doesn't exist. I mean, really... gross!!! :sick:

LOL, I should have worded that better, but for now, please pass me the eye bleach....

 

[gitana1]

Tell me the proof she was having an physical affair, because I have not seen that.

Well, how about emails from her to Hemy in which she described a night they had spent together as the most beautiful experience other than the birth of her children and that she would have to repent for the rest of her life for "this". Then, there's this witness statement:

Melanie White was the state's next witness testified about what Hemy Neuman told her. Specifically, during a trip to Greenville: "He told me that he got really close, and she gave in." And after the trip to London that he told her "they were soul mates... they were on the bed and they petted." When DA James told White she'd have to get more detailed, she hesitated and the jury laughed. White testified they kissed and touched, then she went into the bathroom. When asked why, he told White "to finish herself off." Heads swung immediately to look at Andrea.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/301666/1/Andrea-Sneiderman-trial-Day-2-Lets-talk-about-sex-

 

[tezi]

I did not hear that. I heard her say she wish she had read them.. I did not hear her say she deleted them.

I just listened to the closing arguments.
Some things there I had not heard before. I did not see the actual emails and messages though. Just the prosecutor talking about them.

I see big leaps people are making. People taking things and fitting in a way that works for them.

I think the thing the bothers me is that she called hemy that morning of Rusty's death. I still don't think that makes her complicit but it does not bode well.

I just have never seen such a to do about someone possibly lying about the nature of their relationship.
I can see this in a few ways and have no clear conclusion yet.

BBM: So, now you think the prosecutor is lying about the eMails and messages? Good gawd. He can't lie about the evidence. GMAB.

FACT: AS has been convicted of perjury, not the prosecutor. The prosecutor has to uphold the rules of evidence. Therefore, he didn't lie.

FACT: AS deleted the eMails and messages, she was convicted of that also.

Maybe you should read the threads about HN's trial, things might become a whole lot clearer regarding the affair.

This is not emotion, these are facts, not emotionally charged statements.

JMO

 

[gitana1]

Hi All,

This is my first post, not sure if many will agree with it from what I read here, but I like all of you have been following this case closely and are amazed at the hatred that has been conjured by some for Andrea.

I'm not saying that everyone here who believes her guilty of any of the things she has been accused of hate her, but that seems to be gist of many of the messages of those who wished to see her convicted.

In the end despite the conviction, I consider this a victory for Andrea as she has been able to keep her honor of not having to admit to an affair of which there is clearly is no evidence to prove had occurred, let alone any evidence in the murder of Rusty.

My take is that was a classic stereotypical case of a supervisor trying to intimidate, harass and cajol an employee into entering into an intimate relationship. Hemy being someone who would not give up in his hope that Andrea would somehow end a meaningful and fulfilling marriage and enter into a relationship with a clearly mentally challenged individual.

What could Andrea Sneiderman do except to walk a tightrope of trying not to insult Hemy Neuman but at the same time not encouraging him. From walking that tightrope we end up with some strange sounding responses and actions from Andea to Hemy that the prosecution has unfortunately used to their advantage to get a conviction.

Not only though, trying to avoid insulting Hemy Neuman, but at the same time trying to respond to his advances in a way that he would continue to like her enough to not hold it against her in any job performance evaluation at GE, a job that she wanted for her own fulfillment and needed to help support her family.

What surprises me the most though, is that this forum being visited by so many women that this controlling and dysfunctional relationship between Andrea and Hemy is not recognized as the reason for so much of the behavior of Andrea.

Thanks

Welcome to Websleuths. As an attorney, I can say there is overwhelming, compelling evidence of an affair. It appears you are equating her role in her relationship with Hemy with a domestic violence or sexual harassment victim. It's not a DV relationship unless she had an affair with the guy and while he used his position of power, there is no evidence of abuse. There would definitely be evidence of sexual harassment but for the fact that AS reciprocated, became voluntarily physical with him and was "flattered" by his attention.

Let's cut through the nonsense. This woman lied for her boss after he murdered her husband. She lied to police and lied under oath. The only reason she would be protecting him then is if she had knowledge Of the plan to get rid of her husband.

Regarding hatred toward her? Well, most human beings tend to loathe people who so horribly betray the trust of one's spouse, the person who shares their bed, such that they, at the least, stay silent as their affair plots to kill their unsuspecting spouse. That does indeed tend to upset most reasonable humans.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I did not hear that. I heard her say she wish she had read them.. I did not hear her say she deleted them.

I just listened to the closing arguments.
Some things there I had not heard before. I did not see the actual emails and messages though. Just the prosecutor talking about them.

I see big leaps people are making. People taking things and fitting in a way that works for them.

I think the thing the bothers me is that she called hemy that morning of Rusty's death. I still don't think that makes her complicit but it does not bode well.

I just have never seen such a to do about someone possibly lying about the nature of their relationship.
I can see this in a few ways and have no clear conclusion yet.[/QUOT

The big "to do" is that everything she lied about had to do with the investigation of the murder of her HUSBAND! You are not looking at the end game. Why did she lie when she should be doing everything possible to help them catch a murderer of someone she says she dearly loved?
Is her image or reputation more important than getting justice for Rusty? :banghead:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Well, how about emails from her to Hemy in which she described a night they had spent together as the most beautiful experience other than the birth of her children and that she would have to repent for the rest of her life for "this". Then, there's this witness statement:

Melanie White was the state's next witness testified about what Hemy Neuman told her. Specifically, during a trip to Greenville: "He told me that he got really close, and she gave in." And after the trip to London that he told her "they were soul mates... they were on the bed and they petted." When DA James told White she'd have to get more detailed, she hesitated and the jury laughed. White testified they kissed and touched, then she went into the bathroom. When asked why, he told White "to finish herself off." Heads swung immediately to look at Andrea.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/301666/1/Andrea-Sneiderman-trial-Day-2-Lets-talk-about-sex-

That is just hemy's words and don't carry much weight for me. I believe that he had a lot more going on in his head that what was going on in reality.

 

[tezi]

Welcome to Websleuths. As an attorney, I can say there is overwhelming, compelling evidence of an affair. It appears you are equating her role in her relationship with Hemy with a domestic violence or sexual harassment victim. It's not a DV relationship unless she had an affair with the guy and while he used his position of power, there is no evidence of abuse. There would definitely be evidence of sexual harassment but for the fact that AS reciprocated, became voluntarily physical with him and was "flattered" by his attention.

Let's cut through the nonsense. This woman lied for her boss after he murdered her husband. She lied to police and lied under oath. The only reason she would be protecting him then is if she had knowledge Of the plan to get rid of her husband.

Regarding hatred toward her? Well, most human beings tend to loathe people who so horribly betray the trust of one's spouse, the person who shares their bed, such that they, at the least, stay silent as their affair plots to kill their unsuspecting spouse. That does indeed tend to upset most reasonable humans.

BBM: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

 

[tezi]

That is just hemy's words and don't carry much weight for me. I believe that he had a lot more going on in his head that what was going on in reality.

OH, for the love of everything holy. By the same token, AS words don't carry any weight for me. She a convicted liar. FACT.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The prosecutor can't lie or make up facts. He gave you a list of facts that can not be disputed by anyone. He then put it all together. Some facts that I remember:

Andrea goes to longmont colorado for training. Hemy send her an email that is DOCUMENTED and sourced that he is coming but he is not coming on business. He sends Andrea Chocolate and Flowers to which she replies he is so romantic. At the same time it is SOURCED that Andrea changed Hotel rooms with a different requirements. Does it prove she slept with him? You can say no. Is it inappropriate by Hemy, yes!

It is sourced immediately upon return of that trip that Andrea sent Hemy Rusty's email address. Don't ask me but that seems strange but I won't get carried away with that.

Lets go to the Greeneville trip. Facts--people say they saw them together in a bar dancing and whatever? no big deal? Upon return from that trip she sends an email to him saying she has disgraced her husband and kids and she will repent for the rest of her life. What else do you think that is about when you put it all together?

I just typed a response and WS ate it..

I have seen many people feel severe guilt over things way under sex. The allowing of people to be close to them and that moment when they realize that they are making a huge mistake without actually making it.

DO I believe something was brewing? Maybe.. Do I believe she had sex with him? Not with the testimony from people saying what he said happened and not just connecting dots.