GUILTY GA - Rusty Sneiderman shot to death at Dunwoody preschool, 18 Nov 2010 #5

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And I will give you the picture download to HN is weird. I am not sure even what to say about that.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Two months from now eligible for parole !?

http://m.ajc.com/news/news/local/andrea-sneiderman-sentenced-to-five-yeas-in-jail/nZTHr/

Yeah, not happening. The article says "conceivably" --- not based on any legal certainty. I call bull-reporting

 

[jking]

Funny you should mention those pictures. I'm listening to HLN (I know, I know, I'm a masochist of sorts.) Two little things keep hitting me as strange in AS's testimony today.

#1 Was that, when talking about the "unwanted" advances from Hemy, she said that she thought she could "handle him."

Was she balancing the flattery and possible job advancement by manipulating his feelings? We learned in the other trial that she would be all warm and fuzzy with him on trips and get his hopes up. Once home, she would give him the, "I'll never divorce my husband." and "I have others that need me." lines.

#2 When she spoke about the photographs, she referred it to it as a move that "boomeranged" on her. Did she really think that sending the man over 100 pictures of her "happy family" would make him see they needed her more? Instead, she possibly fed into Hemy's belief that she wanted him to love her children as well?

Just some musings...

I thought I saw somewhere that the none of the photos she sent included Rusty with the children. I'll have to try and find that information. If that is the case, I would have thought the best way to make HN believe that AS had a happy family would be to send him photos of Rusty with her and the children.

There is so much to this case, I started out in early 2012 more on AS's side, in that I thought she had an affair, regretted it, and had nothing to do with the murder. That was before much of the testimony of the HN trial had come out. By the end of that trial my opinion had changed completely. So much has come out that now it is nearly impossible for me to believe that she did not know what HN was planning.

JMO

 

[lisasalinger]

HA! I thought it was just me. The whole system seems to be wonky today!

I did watch most of the HN trial. And I did watch opening and days of this trial along with closings..

It was just not possible to watch the whole thing.. I will get to it if it is online.

I am not saying this lady is a saint, I just have issues a lot of time with little details that seem to get thrown into the " She did this she must have done that" category.

I don't mean to annoy. I just need to see it through my way..

You are not annoying my dear... you're working it all out in your head and you are certainly entitled to whatever opinion you come up with.

I was a bit of a flip flopper on this case as you will see when you read some of my messages on this board. I did not come in to this thinking she was guilty... I thought there was some weird stuff going on and wanted to see how the trial played out.

I ultimately ended up believing that she is a liar based on what was presented. And there are reasons why I also now believe that she may have had some knowledge/involvement in Hemy wanting to hurt Rusty. Some on here feel rock solid about her involvement in the murder, others like me have our moments where we're not entirely sure but are pretty sure and just need to see a little more.

It's a funky case. But I do believe the lying part of it has been proven. There was good evidence about the lying presented at trial, and the jury believed there was enough to say guilty. One thing the defense had going for them, I think, is that the investigators in this case were pretty lousy. I was not impressed by any of them.

I agree with the sentence that the judge gave today. I would have given the same. I know that many don't agree and that's ok. Like I said, we all see things a little differently and ultimately learn a lot from the thoughtful exchanges on here.

IMO

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I did not hear that. I heard her say she wish she had read them.. I did not hear her say she deleted them.

I just listened to the closing arguments.
Some things there I had not heard before. I did not see the actual emails and messages though. Just the prosecutor talking about them.

I see big leaps people are making. People taking things and fitting in a way that works for them.

I think the thing the bothers me is that she called hemy that morning of Rusty's death. I still don't think that makes her complicit but it does not bode well.

I just have never seen such a to do about someone possibly lying about the nature of their relationship.
I can see this in a few ways and have no clear conclusion yet.[/QUOT

The big "to do" is that everything she lied about had to do with the investigation of the murder of her HUSBAND! You are not looking at the end game. Why did she lie when she should be doing everything possible to help them catch a murderer of someone she says she dearly loved?
Is her image or reputation more important than getting justice for Rusty? :banghead:

I think she could have been lying about some things just because she did not want this all to come out. Who wants to admit that they made mistakes and how ugly it will all look true or not.

I believe that HN was obsessed with her.

Her lawyer said in his case that AS told LE about Hemy. When was that? Does anyone have a date? She says she told LE also.[/QUOTE]

She first mentioned Hemy on November 19, 2010, the day after the murder. When the family was all around the dining room table with the kids and family friends making a huge noise in the background. We heard the audio in the trial. When asked who might be trying to break up her family, she mentioned Hemy, and poo-poo'd the idea it could be him. She said that she made a comment to him about not hitting on her and he stopped. BIG LIE!

The second time she mentioned Hemy was January 4, 2011. She was at the police station with her Rabbi/PR guy to discuss the vigil planned for Rusty. She also inquired about the status of the investigation. She mentioned Hemy briefly. I don't believe it was on tape at that point. There was no mention of the e-mail from Hemy.

In this trial, her mother testified that Andrea received an e-mail from Hemy in Florida. She found out he was there and wanted to call the police. She was afraid for her and her children's lives. Mom said that she told Andrea to wait until they got back to Georgia in case Hemy had the phones bugged and e-mail hacked. Oh, and Mom quoted bits and pieces from the e-mail, including the dot, dot, dots!

Funny, but in a deposition last November, Mom didn't remember much, just that Andrea received an e-mail and didn't tell her the contents. She didn't remember anything else about it.

 

[MeeBee]

You are not annoying my dear... you're working it all out in your head and you are certainly entitled to whatever opinion you come up with.

I was a bit of a flip flopper on this case as you will see when you read some of my messages on this board. I did not come in to this thinking she was guilty... I thought there was some weird stuff going on and wanted to see how the trial played out.

I ultimately ended up believing that she is a liar based on what was presented. And there are reasons why I also now believe that she may have had some knowledge/involvement in Hemy wanting to hurt Rusty. Some on here feel rock solid about her involvement in the murder, others like me have our moments where we're not entirely sure but are pretty sure and just need to see a little more.

It's a funky case. But I do believe the lying part of it has been proven. There was good evidence about the lying presented at trial, and the jury believed there was enough to say guilty. One thing the defense had going for them, I think, is that the investigators in this case were pretty lousy. I was not impressed by any of them.

I agree with the sentence that the judge gave today. I would have given the same. I know that many don't agree and that's ok. Like I said, we all see things a little differently and ultimately learn a lot from the thoughtful exchanges on here.

IMO

I am with you. I was not too firm on her guilt when the trial began. I didn't know if there was enough. I see it now.

I also agree that it's hard to say what level her complicity is. Did she help plan it? Don't know about that one although there are some things that point to it. Did she know Hemy wanted to hurt Rusty? I have a feeling she did. Did she manipulate him to get him to get Rusty out of the way? I have my suspicions.

 

[lisasalinger]

Well, how about emails from her to Hemy in which she described a night they had spent together as the most beautiful experience other than the birth of her children and that she would have to repent for the rest of her life for "this". Then, there's this witness statement:

Melanie White was the state's next witness testified about what Hemy Neuman told her. Specifically, during a trip to Greenville: "He told me that he got really close, and she gave in." And after the trip to London that he told her "they were soul mates... they were on the bed and they petted." When DA James told White she'd have to get more detailed, she hesitated and the jury laughed. White testified they kissed and touched, then she went into the bathroom. When asked why, he told White "to finish herself off." Heads swung immediately to look at Andrea.

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/301666/1/Andrea-Sneiderman-trial-Day-2-Lets-talk-about-sex-

After the Arias trial, I'm pretty sure there is no amount of bedroom talk in a trial that would ever shock me. This exchange above is like Sesame Street compared to what JA and Nurmi put us thru :scared:

 

[Madeleine74]

My guess is they have NONE. If they did they would never have dropped it. There is no evidence that she planned, or had any part in the murder of RS. If they had an inkling of it they would have brought it.

Not true. There must have been something to implicate her or she never would have been charged in the first place. At some point the state realized they wouldn't be able to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt based on whatever it is they did have, so they did the smart thing and dropped the charge. Since there's no statute of limitations for murder, she can be recharged any time for murder, even 10 yrs from now or more.

And, even though the jury acquitted her of the knowing in advance of getting to hospital charge, if she did know exactly how her husband was killed before she was officially told (and the evidence to me shows she did and she got caught), then she was knee deep in it. IMO she not only knew it was going to happen, she had no problem with it. She gets $2M and a new boyfriend. Except for the lying part...oops. Now why did she need to lie again?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Not true. There must have been something to implicate her or she never would have been charged in the first place. At some point the state realized they wouldn't be able to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt based on whatever it is they did have, so they did the smart thing and dropped the charge. Since there's no statute of limitations for murder, she can be recharged any time for murder, even 10 yrs from now or more.

I'm not sure. I think that they were just going to try and add it in.

If I recall the prosecutor said he could not go forward with something he did not believe 100% himself. I will find the quote.

 

[Madeleine74]

HN and AS were witnessed by an objective observer (employee of the bar where they were dancing while on a trip) of being amorous, having their hands all over each other, etc. Now to me that implies something very clear--a relationship that was far beyond "friendship" or "business." There's no proof of sexual relations because without pictures or a video or a confession, how could there be? But the implication is certainly there and I believe she lied to cover that up (and her knowledge) about RS's murder.

 

[Madeleine74]

The prosecutor probably does believe she is involved in her husband's murder (we know RS's family surely believes it) but proving it is a whole 'nother ballgame. The state gets one bite of the apple and if they aren't confident they can prove such a charge it would be foolish to gamble if they didn't have to. And they didn't. She's not walking free. She'll be in custody and closely controlled. And if evidence emerges that does implicate her more than what the state has, and the state thinks it's enough, they'll charge her.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is funny because I keep hearing different versions of the event. Dancing hand holding and now hands all over each other..

I don't think you can connect the two at all. And neither does the DA. Found the quote but I have to find a better source.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

“I think it would be unjust and unethical for the District Attorney’s Office to move forward on a charge I’m not 100 percent sure of,” James said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/sneiderman-murder-charges-formally-dropped/nY5GP/

If that source is not okay.. I will find another..

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/final-pretrail-hearing-set-sneiderman-trial/nY463/

Another source same quote.

 

[Madeleine74]

Someone (anyone) who lies in a capital murder case proves they cannot be believed or trusted. Plus of course it's illegal so there's that too. Why anyone would or could believe AS when it's been proved and agreed by a jury of 12 that she did indeed lie, boggles the mind. She is a lying liar who lies. That's a fact. Anything she claims cannot be believed without independent corroboration.

 

[Madeleine74]

Dancing hand holding and now hands all over each other.. I don't think you can connect the two at all. And neither does the DA.

Can't connect it? Of course I can. Did AS have an affair with HN? Well let's put it this way: if your spouse was in a restaurant/bar with a woman and he had his hands all over her behind (per the witness) and hubby and woman were showing affection that others thought were romantic, would you have an issue with it? Would you think there might be something going on? You betcha. If your spouse and another woman had sent over 1,000 txt messages to each in a relatively short period of time, would you think something was up? You betcha.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Someone (anyone) who lies in a capital murder case proves they cannot be believed or trusted. Plus of course it's illegal so there's that too. Why anyone would or could believe AS when it's been proved and agreed by a jury of 12 that she did indeed lie, boggles the mind. She is a lying liar who lies. That's a fact. Anything she claims cannot be believed without independent corroboration.

Im not sure what this is in response to.

 

[MeeBee]

The waitress said she saw them kissing.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Can't connect it? Of course I can. Did AS have an affair with HN? Well let's put it this way: if your spouse was in a restaurant/bar with a woman and he had his hands all over her behind (per the witness) and hubby and woman were showing affection that others thought were romantic, would you have an issue with it? Would you think there might be something going on? You betcha. If your spouse and another woman had sent over 1,000 txt messages to each in a relatively short period of time, would you think something was up? You betcha.

I don't think it is that easy. HN killed RS. He claims full responsibility. I am talking about connecting the affair to murder not an affair. I am not sure what happened between them. We have some eye witnesses to some things but not sex. We don't know what happened behind closed doors.

Maybe there was and maybe there wasn't. I just don't think that leads me to her being involved in the murder. If HN was that obsessed with her and she did end up having an affair but told him she was not leaving rusty, I can see him taking RS out. RS gone he gets AS or so he thinks.

 

[Madeleine74]

AS lying on the stand multiple times is what leads me to believe she very well could be involved in RS's murder. There is nothing to gain by lying. She got caught lying and she lied about important things. Suspecting her of some kind of involvement seems logical. It may not ever be proven but her behavior makes her look like she has something to hide.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

To me it just looks like she was ashamed of what happened and how she let Hemy in. I don't think it shows more than that. I bet if it did there was no way the DA drops those charges.