GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam Co, 2 May 2014 - #13

  • #201
Another thing I forgot about from my last trip. So we took a pontoon boat out to the area the body was supposedly discovered to see if we could anchor the boat. Three guys and three girls on the boat.
All three guys tried to anchor the boat in a total of 6 places around the area where the body was discovered.

We couldn’t get it to anchor at all in that location. The boat kept drifting. I even swam as far down as I could which felt like 20 feet but probably less and no dice to dark plus didn’t reach the bottom.

We were able to anchor the boat in other spots on the lake but it wasn’t easy.
My point was probably not the best spot to drop an under weighted body in the first place.
 
  • #202
Was the house sitter an ex realtor by any chance?
 
  • #203
Was the house sitter an ex realtor by any chance?

i haven’t been told who the house sitter was but I can try but I doubt that information is getting out since I’m sure that’s who saw the man on the lawn but I 100% know who you’re talking about and if that’s the case then that’s crazy.

The killers had to have cased the house to know the routines and looking at houses to purchase would be a good way to go about that with only a realtor to know who your name. Maybe a husband and wife combo?

I still think it’s a 3 person crime. Boat driver, one to decapitate RD and one to deal with SD and one driving the boat between the dam and Dermonds.
 
  • #204
i haven’t been told who the house sitter was but I can try but I doubt that information is getting out since I’m sure that’s who saw the man on the lawn but I 100% know who you’re talking about and if that’s the case then that’s crazy.

The killers had to have cased the house to know the routines and looking at houses to purchase would be a good way to go about that with only a realtor to know who your name. Maybe a husband and wife combo?

I still think it’s a 3 person crime. Boat driver, one to decapitate RD and one to deal with SD and one driving the boat between the dam and Dermonds.
I thought you suspected that the 'witness' was from a house across the narrow waterway between the D's house and the other neighborhood on the other side?
 
  • #205
No ma’am I’ve said since filming on the lake that the best vantage point was from this house. It’s the only vantage point in my opinion. When I saw that house it hit me that’s the house that viewed the man on the lawn. If you look back through my posts you can see where I stated this after this past July 4th.

I didn’t realize that that house had the housekeeper but that’s the only option. If you ever take a boat to the this destination you’ll see what I mean.

You can’t see it but someone inside the house could see you.

Let’s speculate that the house sitter was the realtor. Killers use looking for lake house as means for surveillance on Dermond’s house.

Find out the neighbor is out of country and realtor is house sitter. Only one witness to get rid of.

The lot next door was undeveloped plus these are acre plus lots so there is a decent amount of green space between homes. The killer wouldn't care about housekeeper because house is on the point looking out so there isn't a super clear line of sight to the Dermonds house. The houses are elevated from the water front which impedes line of site. A boat going into and out of the mooring is going to arouse less suspicion than one parked at the dock.


These perps that committed this act would have to case the place or have very good intel on homeowners habits. Being that they were in their 80's that wouldn't take to long to figure out what they are doing on a daily basis.

The water would be the only way to get in and out and go undetected unless the killer is in the community. I would be checking in near by towns for people registered at hotels (there arent many) because. It would take time to know the layout of the lake and how to get there by water. In my opinion, the killers came by interstate I-20 and came down Hwy 16 to one of the two public ramps on that side of the lake. Very isolated highway with easy transportation to an from the interstate probably went east to Sparta and got on I-20 from there since there is less chance of being pulled over or spotted on traffic cameras going through Eatonton. Given the fact that nothing seems to have been stolen from the house, local criminals aren't going to go through the trouble. Someone had a vendetta.



I thought you suspected that the 'witness' was from a house across the narrow waterway between the D's house and the other neighborhood on the other side?
 

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  • #206
Technically this house is across the waterway. The house in Dancin’s posts and mine is across the waterway. It’s the house on the point coming into the cove.

Maybe someone can label the houses around with a number like 147 for Dermonds so everyone is on the same page.


I thought you suspected that the 'witness' was from a house across the narrow waterway between the D's house and the other neighborhood on the other side?
 
  • #207
Awhile back, I posted little maps showing that other subdivision in relation to the D's house I think.
 
  • #208
I think I posted this bfore, but it shows the proximity of 2-3 neighbors on the othr side of the cove, as well as the neighbor who was in 'Asia' who lived 2 lots down from the Ds.. they seem to each be pretty much the same distance away from the Ds' house, by just looking/without measuring.

westview lots vs dermond lot2.jpg

ETA: This also shows house #s both on Carolyn Drive, and in th subdivision on the other side, 'Westview Way'.
 
  • #209
qPublic.net - Putnam County, GA

about 240' from middle of D's yard to edge of dock with direct view

qPublic.net - Putnam County, GA

160 feet, yard to yard, across the cove

DOesnt look like Maples Dock can see the yard at this angle in the above images

On the pics I posted, it appeared possible

As SS stated, it was hard to see through the trees

Not sure where the windows are on the Maples house for someone to see out and thru the trees to see a man on the lawn

In the beginning of the investigation though, it was stated that someone at the neighbor heard voices coming from inside the D's house/garage. You should be able to search that out in the early threads but no longer can find a link
 
  • #210
Another thing I forgot about from my last trip. So we took a pontoon boat out to the area the body was supposedly discovered to see if we could anchor the boat. Three guys and three girls on the boat.
All three guys tried to anchor the boat in a total of 6 places around the area where the body was discovered.

We couldn’t get it to anchor at all in that location. The boat kept drifting. I even swam as far down as I could which felt like 20 feet but probably less and no dice to dark plus didn’t reach the bottom.

We were able to anchor the boat in other spots on the lake but it wasn’t easy.
My point was probably not the best spot to drop an under weighted body in the first place.

Was this near that island at the split in the river? Where trees were coming out of the lake?

Why was it not the best spot in your opinion?

I would think they could tie onto the tree she was found on possibly instead of anchoring if they needed boat to stay put

Of course they could have readied her before they got to that location of drop off, in a hidden cove where no houses are located maybe
 
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So frustrating. I watched the Publix video, and thought RD was in good shape for his age. He didn’t appear frail or walk unsteadily. He appears to be younger than 88. I would think he put up some sort of a fight.

IMHO
He did.......bloodied and bruised hands, her (allegedly) hair in his hands

Yeah they both were thought to be younger than they were

long time to say hey, lets see if anyone knows anything now......psh.......sad

I still wonder about things like, if he bit the perps, did anyone see anyone with a wound or bite on them at that time

You konw ANYthing.......no one knew what to look for

Like the paracords used to tie her down, someone could have witnessed someone with those same type before or right after this happened but it was so long after the crime that no one was looking

Also the bricks, did anyone see bricks go missed or something, or see soeone with bricks in their boat

Just things that people wouldnt normally take notice of that may have noticed if we'd all known earlier than year or two to get that info out to the public
 
  • #213
with those defense wounds, seems to me they had their arm/forearm around his throat

RD hands were free...reaching and stretching.....to get ahold of her, grasping what he could, got her hair

But the arm around the neck would be easy to bite someone

They may have had a gun in hand and didnt use it but smacked him in the back of the upper shoulder/neck area with the butt of gun, seen that in moves LOL

Could explain the GSR and it could explain the reason the head was taken

IMHO

He did.......bloodied and bruised hands, her (allegedly) hair in his hands

Yeah they both were thought to be younger than they were

long time to say hey, lets see if anyone knows anything now......psh.......sad

I still wonder about things like, if he bit the perps, did anyone see anyone with a wound or bite on them at that time

You konw ANYthing.......no one knew what to look for

Like the paracords used to tie her down, someone could have witnessed someone with those same type before or right after this happened but it was so long after the crime that no one was looking

Also the bricks, did anyone see bricks go missed or something, or see soeone with bricks in their boat

Just things that people wouldnt normally take notice of that may have noticed if we'd all known earlier than year or two to get that info out to the public
 
  • #214
Old article with plenty of SS deeds but the details of the crime are sprinkled in throughout. I brought over some of the info to review and highlighted a few words. but did not include the section on SD's recovery.

In the driveway was that day’s edition of USA Today. The previous day’s as well.

Then he headed for an open door that led to a cramped two-car garage. The garage was dimly lit, but the white walls helped Sills see. On the floor between a Lincoln Town Car and a Lexus SUV was a man’s body on its back. The man’s age was hard to guess—because the body had no head. It had been cut off.

Sills and two deputies swept the rest of the 3,200-square-foot home. The north-facing windows afforded a spectacular view of the lake. The wooded backyard sloped down toward a covered dock.

Sills was struck by the pristine condition of the house. A horror scene it was not. Aside from the headless body in the garage, and save for an unmade bed and an off-kilter lampshade in the living room, it was showroom-perfect. The lampshade caught Sills’s eye only because everything else was so neat. What blood there was—a considerable amount—had pooled and dried near the body.

Someone reported seeing him strolling the golf course near his house on Friday, May 2, four days before his body was discovered. It may have been the last time anyone but his wife and his killer saw him alive.

He and Shirley had RSVP’d that they’d be at a neighbor’s Kentucky Derby party on Saturday. They never showed. Shirley, who played bridge and was a crossword whiz, had worked a puzzle in that Friday’s USA Today. It was still on the kitchen table. The couple’s Saturday mail was in the mailbox out front.

What he did not divulge was that the cut was remarkably clean. “It was not the skill of a surgeon,” he would say months later, but “whoever did it took time doing it.” It was as if the collar of Russ Dermond’s T-shirt had been used as a guide for a very sharp knife, the likes of which had not turned up. After an autopsy revealed no fatal wounds on his body, the cause of death was, by the process of elimination, declared an as-yet-unknown head wound. Dermond’s decapitation appeared to be postmortem.

Her house sitter hadn’t seen anything unusual. Nor had residents in another cul-de-sac across the cove.

Relentless: Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills chases a killer
 
  • #215
Further to the above:

One of the couple’s nearest neighbors, next to a vacant lakefront lot that has belonged to R.E.M. bassist Mike Mills since the 1990s, was out of the country in Turkey. Her house sitter hadn’t seen anything unusual. Nor had residents in another cul-de-sac across the cove.

So this house sitter... would she have stayed at the neighbor's house the whole time the neighbor was in Turkey? If so, man, I wouldn't want to be *her/him*! So the home WAS occupied???? And yet nothing was seen or heard???? So the person who saw the man on the lawn - would this have been the same person who may have seen RD walking the golf course on the Friday? Someone perhaps in a boat on the lake saw a man on the lakeside lawn?
 
  • #216
Old article with plenty of SS deeds but the details of the crime are sprinkled in throughout. I brought over some of the info to review and highlighted a few words. but did not include the section on SD's recovery.

In the driveway was that day’s edition of USA Today. The previous day’s as well.
(MONDAY AND TUESDAY)

Then he headed for an open door that led to a cramped two-car garage. The garage was dimly lit, but the white walls helped Sills see. On the floor between a Lincoln Town Car and a Lexus SUV was a man’s body on its back. The man’s age was hard to guess—because the body had no head. It had been cut off.

Sills and two deputies swept the rest of the 3,200-square-foot home. The north-facing windows afforded a spectacular view of the lake. The wooded backyard sloped down toward a covered dock.( Much of he back yard was open with grass according to pics)

Sills was struck by the pristine condition of the house. A horror scene it was not. Aside from the headless body in the garage, and save for an unmade bed and an off-kilter lampshade in the living room, it was showroom-perfect. The lampshade caught Sills’s eye only because everything else was so neat. What blood there was—a considerable amount—had pooled and dried near the body.

Someone reported seeing him strolling the golf course near his house on Friday, May 2, four days before his body was discovered. It may have been the last time anyone but his wife and his killer saw him alive. (THAT COULD BE KEY)

He and Shirley had RSVP’d that they’d be at a neighbor’s Kentucky Derby party on Saturday. They never showed. Shirley, who played bridge and was a crossword whiz, had worked a puzzle in that Friday’s USA Today. It was still on the kitchen table. The couple’s Saturday mail was in the mailbox out front. (THEN MONDAY AND TUES USA hadn[t been retrieved)

What he did not divulge was that the cut was remarkably clean. “It was not the skill of a surgeon,” he would say months later, but “whoever did it took time doing it.” It was as if the collar of Russ Dermond’s T-shirt had been used as a guide for a very sharp knife, the likes of which had not turned up. After an autopsy revealed no fatal wounds on his body, the cause of death was, by the process of elimination, declared an as-yet-unknown head wound. Dermond’s decapitation appeared to be postmortem.

Her house sitter hadn’t seen anything unusual. Nor had residents in another cul-de-sac across the cove. (WHO"S? housesitter , MAPLES, and that OTHER culdesac is across the cove, have been saying this, TJ reitterated, also may have been lawn maintenance next door heard loud voices....could have been housesitter I guess but reported lawn maintenance, no longer online)

Relentless: Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills chases a killer
Thanks for sharing this info, good to rehash and refresh

I underlined throughout this post

Was it the autopsy or SS that reported RD had bruised and bloody hands?
 
  • #217
Further to the above:

One of the couple’s nearest neighbors, next to a vacant lakefront lot that has belonged to R.E.M. bassist Mike Mills since the 1990s, was out of the country in Turkey. Her house sitter hadn’t seen anything unusual. Nor had residents in another cul-de-sac across the cove.

So this house sitter... would she have stayed at the neighbor's house the whole time the neighbor was in Turkey? If so, man, I wouldn't want to be *her/him*! So the home WAS occupied???? And yet nothing was seen or heard???? So the person who saw the man on the lawn - would this have been the same person who may have seen RD walking the golf course on the Friday? Someone perhaps in a boat on the lake saw a man on the lakeside lawn?
apparently it was NOT the other culdesac neighbors, had to be a person in a boat, the housesitter or possible lawn maint that was reported being at the Maples residence and heard loud voices inside the D's)
 
  • #218
It's hard to believe there's never been enough evidence to publicly identify a person of interest. I wonder if anyone will ever divulge more info on these sad and frightening murders.
 
  • #219
It is hard to believe, especially when you consider these murders were likely carried out by multiple people. Nobody has "talked" yet; not even talk in prison chatter (alluded to by Stills in one interview, I believe). A vexing case to say the least.
 
  • #220
I'm remembering the man as being on the front yard when he was seen. Back when, we had speculated on which area was the front and since we now know that the back yard was facing the cove, the front yard would be the area to the right of the driveway.

It was speculated that maybe he was washing his hands or cleaning off his shoes or the knife with the hose at the time. I wondered if the hose and outside faucet were ever checked for fingerprints? Also, the garage door opener?

For some reason, I was thinking whoever that saw him was driving by at the time - maybe the news carrier or the mailman? That could have narrowed down the time frame.

Then again, SS has supposedly eliminated the man now so all of this is mute?
 

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