GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam Co, 2 May 2014 - #13

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

Thank you, that makes sense

So maybe there is how SS knows who it is and they wont take a polygraph, seems somewhat telling

Seems it COULD BE the man on the lawn.......... the reason SS said he suspects a few but no proof and since one article said the Man on the lawn was questioned and released.......

So IF he was in fact questioned and refused a polygraph, then how did SS come to know WHO this man was to be able to question him since no one could positively identify him

If found out and he didnt come forward of his own accord, it looks really bad. So DID HE COME FORWARD?? It was never told in the news

ALso, IF the man on the lawn came forward .......is that all SS gets to do is question him and listen to his lies and release him? Since he was AT the crime scene the day of the crime I would hope there would be more there to hold him

they may have known who he was by security cameras. I am sure people in that neighborhood have them.

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

For whatever reason, I got to thinking about this case and threw out all my preconceived notions ie:it was a hit, it was the family etc and landed on another scenario (which I'm sure has been previously considered) but what if it was someone slightly known to the Ds? Someone who periodically had access to their information: ages, address...and figured they'd be an easy mark.

Maybe this someone went to the door on the weekend with burglary in mind.
Things went South quickly and Mr. D. was shot in the head. I can see taking the head because of the bullet....burglary at this juncture was not an option as they/ he/whoever knew they were in way over their heads. And.... they didn't want to leave further evidence. They took Mrs. D and put her in the lake. I think that Mr D's head is somewhere in the vicinity of where Mrs D's body was found. This makes sense to me.

So who would be someone.......
stupid enough to try something like this and who would be vaguely familiar with the Ds?

Landscaper, repairman ect.. lots of people really.

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

For whatever reason, I got to thinking about this case and threw out all my preconceived notions ie:it was a hit, it was the family etc and landed on another scenario (which I'm sure has been previously considered) but what if it was someone slightly known to the Ds? Someone who periodically had access to their information: ages, address...and figured they'd be an easy mark.

Maybe this someone went to the door on the weekend with burglary in mind.
Things went South quickly and Mr. D. was shot in the head. I can see taking the head because of the bullet....burglary at this juncture was not an option as they/ he/whoever knew they were in way over their heads. And.... they didn't want to leave further evidence. They took Mrs. D and put her in the lake. I think that Mr D's head is somewhere in the vicinity of where Mrs D's body was found. This makes sense to me.

So who would be someone.......
stupid enough to try something like this and who would be vaguely familiar with the Ds?[/QUOTE. DBM double post

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

they may have known who he was by security cameras. I am sure people in that neighborhood have them.

allegedly the neighboring cameras didnt reveal anyone and were facing so as not to see the Dermonds yard.......IIRC...Would have had a to be a heck of a system since the one witness couldnt tell much about the person, no description, no colors, nothing but it was a man on the lawn

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Someone saw a MAN on the lawn but that's the only thing they saw. No description except a man on the lawn. Hmm so how did they know it was a man? did they just assume women don't typically roam lawns? was it the height of the person? possibly facial hair? Maybe the man on the lawn was wearing mens clothing? Well any of those would lead us to a description which this person didn't have except a man on the lawn. Wonder if SS asked why they assumed it was a man on the lawn and not a woman?

Personally I think SS got a description and he's just not saying and it probably matches 1 of the 2 people he suspects knows about this murder but refused to take a polygraph.

SS on the GBI and GSP- SS clearly has a problem with these 2 groups and he's made it a public beef with them which only hurts him not them. SS has use of the FBI and I would guess the FBI has much more resources than either of those groups combined.

Family - It's been stated before that this family wasn't in the witness protection program but we would never know for sure because the marshalls service wouldn't reveal that for the safety of the remaining family. They couldn't relocate them and change their name because they own too much to get up and leave without a trace. Why do I think they might have been in witness protection? Well the move from New Jersey combined with the rapid switch in careers in which he really didn't have any experience in as far as I know. Remember the feds typically help these people get into new careers which have nothing to do with their past.

Just my thoughts

Happy Holidays to all

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I like the new thoughts in the last paragraph! New to me anyway

Good post my friend, as usual!

Sad we have to keep repeating ourselves on some of this stuff.....I cant get past the description less...….(?) man....? either!
LOL

Someone saw a MAN on the lawn but that's the only thing they saw. No description except a man on the lawn. Hmm so how did they know it was a man? did they just assume women don't typically roam lawns? was it the height of the person? possibly facial hair? Maybe the man on the lawn was wearing mens clothing? Well any of those would lead us to a description which this person didn't have except a man on the lawn. Wonder if SS asked why they assumed it was a man on the lawn and not a woman?

Personally I think SS got a description and he's just not saying and it probably matches 1 of the 2 people he suspects knows about this murder but refused to take a polygraph.

SS on the GBI and GSP- SS clearly has a problem with these 2 groups and he's made it a public beef with them which only hurts him not them. SS has use of the FBI and I would guess the FBI has much more resources than either of those groups combined.

Family - It's been stated before that this family wasn't in the witness protection program but we would never know for sure because the marshalls service wouldn't reveal that for the safety of the remaining family. They couldn't relocate them and change their name because they own too much to get up and leave without a trace. Why do I think they might have been in witness protection? Well the move from New Jersey combined with the rapid switch in careers in which he really didn't have any experience in as far as I know. Remember the feds typically help these people get into new careers which have nothing to do with their past.

Just my thoughts

Happy Holidays to all

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Just doesn't make sense. The person could see it was a man but couldn't describe anything about the person. Sounds like SS might be lying again

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Just doesn't make sense. The person could see it was a man but couldn't describe anything about the person. Sounds like SS might be lying again

Yeah I never could understand that.....that's why I wondered if it was just a ploy to hopefully use that information to get someone to narc on someone else or so maybe someone would make some move to do something that would trigger some suspicion...…IIRC, it seemed like it was sudden and quiet news that he was questioned and released and no word of who it was or even a HINT of who it was...……...because mayber there WASN'T any "man on the lawn"???? If not, it had to be released quietly without fanfare

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Thinking back to that last podcast when he said he suspects 2 people who 1 refused to answer questions and both refused to take a polygraph makes me think . What could have led him to those 2 suspects when he had no evidence as he has claimed so many times, and no description of the man on the lawn ( if one of them was that man on the lawn) which leads me to the GBI and GSP and SS not wanting their help. Maybe SS has everything he needs except the 1 piece of evidence that could get a conviction ( weapon) . My best guess is SS is just waiting for that call and once he has the weapon he will get his conviction.

 

[wildebeest]

Someone saw a MAN on the lawn but that's the only thing they saw. No description except a man on the lawn. Hmm so how did they know it was a man? did they just assume women don't typically roam lawns? was it the height of the person? possibly facial hair? Maybe the man on the lawn was wearing mens clothing? Well any of those would lead us to a description which this person didn't have except a man on the lawn. Wonder if SS asked why they assumed it was a man on the lawn and not a woman?

Personally I think SS got a description and he's just not saying and it probably matches 1 of the 2 people he suspects knows about this murder but refused to take a polygraph.

SS on the GBI and GSP- SS clearly has a problem with these 2 groups and he's made it a public beef with them which only hurts him not them. SS has use of the FBI and I would guess the FBI has much more resources than either of those groups combined.

Family - It's been stated before that this family wasn't in the witness protection program but we would never know for sure because the marshalls service wouldn't reveal that for the safety of the remaining family. They couldn't relocate them and change their name because they own too much to get up and leave without a trace. Why do I think they might have been in witness protection? Well the move from New Jersey combined with the rapid switch in careers in which he really didn't have any experience in as far as I know. Remember the feds typically help these people get into new careers which have nothing to do with their past.

Just my thoughts

Happy Holidays to all

Interesting thoughts, hockey. Glad you’re still here. Maybe next year we will get some answers. Happy Holidays to you, as well.

 

[kay74]

Wow this is way on page 6! Honestly I don't think it was very smart to be in your late 80's and living in a practically isolated area. They should have been in a 55 and over place with people all around. Sure you don't have a lot of privacy but at least your safe. For all purposes, I'll bet you could even go for a walk at night. I mean I would not even want a young family to be that isolated. Case in point, noone is seen around there when this happened.

 

[Valiant]

Wow this is way on page 6! Honestly I don't think it was very smart to be in your late 80's and living in a practically isolated area. They should have been in a 55 and over place with people all around. Sure you don't have a lot of privacy but at least your safe. For all purposes, I'll bet you could even go for a walk at night. I mean I would not even want a young family to be that isolated. Case in point, noone is seen around there when this happened.

This was a very safe, gated community.
I feel they were targeted for whatever reason and wherever they lived made little difference.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Safe until someone was beheaded. Point is nowhere is really safe nowadays.

 

[kay74]

This was a very safe, gated community.
I feel they were targeted for whatever reason and wherever they lived made little difference.

There's no gate on that lake! They are isolated to the point of noone seeing anything the day they were murdered and seeing Shirley being taken/carried away!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Thinking back to that last podcast when he said he suspects 2 people who 1 refused to answer questions and both refused to take a polygraph makes me think . What could have led him to those 2 suspects when he had no evidence as he has claimed so many times, and no description of the man on the lawn ( if one of them was that man on the lawn) which leads me to the GBI and GSP and SS not wanting their help. Maybe SS has everything he needs except the 1 piece of evidence that could get a conviction ( weapon) . My best guess is SS is just waiting for that call and once he has the weapon he will get his conviction.

Well he said he was waiting so maybe that's why....i too wonder about those 2.....there were many..hundreds? initially interviewed.....maybe the list of those living nearby that didn't show up for interview that night or someone mentioned something suspicious of them....would love to know and if one is the man on lawn

 

[Valiant]

There's no gate on that lake! They are isolated to the point of noone seeing anything the day they were murdered and seeing Shirley being taken/carried away!

Bu yet it almost certainly wan't a random crime. Their living location didn't matter - they were targeted.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Bu yet it almost certainly wan't a random crime. Their living location didn't matter - they were targeted.

quite unsolvable unless someone narks/narcs......how do you spell that? LOL...…...no fingerprints lifted except family probably

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

There's plenty of elderly at the lake to target, plenty of coves, plenty of full timers with neighboring homes but no residents in them all year.....I think beheading wasn't planned....I think the plan was initially to haul them both off....retrieving things from inside the home...creepy...someone had been there before or was with someone who knew the place and the couple...…...I feel that leaving them both in the garage would have had the investigators looking at family......somebody got lucky...…...there should have been dna or footprints somewhere...…..so whoever did this may have been connected to the family somehow and already had Fingerprints there....unless someone CLEANED THE HOME thoroughly...…….SS did say it was so clean you could eat off the floor...…...beheading took a little bit longer than a drive by shooting of course...…..so they were there for a time so maybe time to clean up the house too...…….the blood overwhelmed them, they wiped up footprints probably and stopped the flow into the driveway with the victims towels ...…..

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I have often wondered if they looked for foot prints. This screams family each time I think of this the 1st thing that comes to mind is the family

 

[Razz]

I have often wondered if they looked for foot prints. This screams family each time I think of this the 1st thing that comes to mind is the family

I respect your opinion but I just don't see the family being involved. (Maybe indirectly). There would have been much easier ways to accomplish the D's demise. This was cold hearted and cold blooded imo.