GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[newone]

I wonder who actually wrote the obit? Some may assume it was the wife, but I wonder if it was actually the husband's parents.

I also wonder whether the wife has a separate attorney from the husband.

Sometimes the funeral director will sit with the bereaved and carefully compose......

 

[LisaB]

Well I asked one question about normal day care protocol and commented twice to other poster's answers. I am very sorry that you feel this constitutes "beating a dead horse"....

Obviously this does not FIT your scenario of what happened and therefore you dismiss it ....and yes I do feel your comment to me was rude.

How many other unknown facts have been discussed at length?

Someone could call and ask them about their policy regarding notification of parents when a child is not dropped off.

678-556-8000

 

[Judicious1]

I wonder who actually wrote the obit? Some may assume it was the wife, but I wonder if it was actually the husband's parents.

I also wonder whether the wife has a separate attorney from the husband.

With him in jail I would doubt his parents would feel comfortable submitting a obit. I would guess the mom or her family members with moms input.

I'm interested to know if they have the same lawyer or not. I would assume the same lawyer since she isn't charged. She tech doesn't need a lawyer

 

[newone]

A Georgia man searched the Internet for information on how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car in the days before his 22-month-old son died from overheating in a hot SUV, according to a report Wednesday.

At some point prior to the boy’s tragic death, which a coroner said Wednesday was from hyperthermia and declared a homicide, Harris searched on his work computer for details on animals dying in overheated cars, a source told the Fox affiliate.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35rj5I0G0

Just like Gitana said----"It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

I have found this to be true so often and also especially when this has been so emotional. Also very interesting to me is that at first everyone was so supportive of the dad-but- it appears that support is weakening quickly. Why would this below be dropped so quickly if people REALLY felt dad was not capable of such an event?


This week, the anonymous author of the petition to drop the murder charges faced by Justin Ross Harris has withdrawn his request, citing recent developments in the investigation by law enforcement agencies in Georgia that suggest death of Ross's infant son might have been more than an accident.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25864933/sources-toddler-death

well if they are also responsible for that goofy video on youtube I wish they would remove that as well

 

[blue22]

With him in jail I would doubt his parents would feel comfortable submitting a obit. I would guess the mom or her family members with moms input.

I'm interested to know if they have the same lawyer or not. I would assume the same lawyer since she isn't charged. She tech doesn't need a lawyer

She definitely needs one. They will need contact with her, and the smart thing is to have a lawyer present. Not only that, the police will be picking apart their lives, she is probably in no state to deal with what her rights are and such. I think anytime a spouse is charged with a serious and high profile crime, it's wise for the wife to have a lawyer guiding her through the process. She might now have one, but it's not smart.

 

[Judicious1]

Someone could call and ask them about their policy regarding notification of parents when a child is not dropped off.

678-556-8000

Great suggestion! I wonder if they would answer given this case though. If they say yes its their policy to do so and it turns out they didn't they might feel someone could hold them responsible ( which I think they wouldn't be) or receive bad publicity.

 

[blue22]

Someone could call and ask them about their policy regarding notification of parents when a child is not dropped off.

678-556-8000

I thought about that, but I'm sure they are getting SO many calls and I feel really uncomfortable bugging them. Maybe someone else has less of an issue.

 

[LinasK]

She definitely needs one. They will need contact with her, and the smart thing is to have a lawyer present. Not only that, the police will be picking apart their lives, she is probably in no state to deal with what her rights are and such. I think anytime a spouse is charged with a serious and high profile crime, it's wise for the wife to have a lawyer guiding her through the process. She might now have one, but it's not smart.

Why? She hasn't done anything wrong, no need of a criminal defense attorney.

 

[tiredblondy]

well if they are also responsible for that goofy video on youtube I wish they would remove that as well

Can someone put a link up to the video or direct me to a link? I missed it. Thanks

 

[chlban]

Also, that car likely STUNK at noon when he "placed an object in it" and "didn't see" Cooper. A medical expert stated that Cooper would have been dead with an hour at those temperatures. A dead body in a sweltering car for even one hour would reek.

This is one of the sickest crimes I have ever read about. And common sense demands that a Father MAY forget his child in a car but It sounds a lot like murder when you have:

1. Dad forgetting his baby immediately after sitting down and eating breakfast with him.
2. Dad GOING BACK to the car at noon and inexplicably NOT noticing him or a smell.
3. Dad searching for " how long it takes for animal to die in a hot car"

4. Dad not parking in his usual parking spot that day. ( a co-worker's observation)

5. Dad screaming and claiming that child was choking after driving to a parking lot in a STINKING CAR, ON PURPOSE, to have witnesses that he could act bereaved in front of, and apparently it did not seem genuine.



It could be a coverup after realizing he forgot him in the car, but I honestly do not think so.

I believe that any parent that loved their child and made a tragic mistake would have called 911 after "checking the car at noon" I am leaning toward the premeditated murderer of his own child. He checked the car to make sure that child was dead.

NOTHING can convince me that there was zero smell in that car at noon. That is just ludicrous. He may have even made the internet search AFTER doing that to get information and facts straight in his head when talking to police. To control the situation upon his staged "discovery".

He reminds me SO much of Casey Anthony in his insincere "off behavior" at the scene and his obvious planning and cruel, torturous, murder of his child. And yeah, his poor planning and excuses that are FULL of holes. His horrible acting. And his outright lying.

Just truly disgusting. And most likely a Psychopath.

moo.

BBM. This is the most telling to me. Even, if by some stretch, he didn't smell anything at lunch (Huge IF, IMO) then he certainly would have immediately upon entering the car after work. No way he would drive any distance without noticing.

 

[LinasK]

Great suggestion! I wonder if they would answer given this case though. If they say yes its their policy to do so and it turns out they didn't they might feel someone could hold them responsible ( which I think they wouldn't be) or receive bad publicity.

And it's still possible it's a drop-in facility. We just don't know.

 

[blue22]

Why? She hasn't done anything wrong, no need of a criminal defense attorney.

I didn't say it would have to be a criminal defense attorney. I'm saying it would be wise for her to have some sort of attorney. Things will be asked of her and legal proceedings will be before her, that she has never experienced before. A lawyer would be beneficial to simply give her advice and instruct her through proceedings. She did nothing wrong, but she will be intertwined in this investigation the whole duration.

 

[gitana1]

I think it's probably true - but if it were a red flag (timing wise, or not associated with a similar news article, etc.) I think it would have been included in the arrest warrant, as the statement that he went to the car mid-day was.

I really think this will turn out to just be unrelated, but a headline grabber.

No. Much information is simply not included in warrants.

I know that at first glance, I would have an entry in my browser history sometime in the past 30 days of something like, "A dog can die in less than five minutes in a car" -- usually accompanied with a picture of a panting dog or a broken car window. Anyone on Facebook is aware of these provocative click-getters in the news feed. I am certain I've clicked on one. I'm betting the "search" part is where the facts end and rumors begin. It doesn't make sense that he would try and cover his tracks by changing only the species of victim. An IT person (any average computer user for that matter) especially with access to multiple computers would be savy enough to cover their tracks better than that. <--- it's all speculation, of course.

In many of these cases, people will contort to find excuses, such as coincidence for apparently incriminating information. IMO it is too grand a "coincidence" that someone would have a computer search about how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car, right before their child died the same way.

Also, people keep saying a mere hit or click is the same as a "search". It's not. A search implies search terms were put in Google or some browser, and searched.

I have a question. For those of you who have used "professional" day care (as opposed to a family or friend keeping children in their home) - would it be the usual procedure that if you did not show up with your child at the expected time - they would call either parent to check on why they are not there?

I never used day care but I still feel this is an important part of this case and I'm sure LE has interviewed the Day Care workers.

Assuming they called the father he must have given some excuse - even if it was at that moment that he realized, "OMG - the baby is still in the car".

TIA for any input on this......

Excellent question. Day cares usually do call if a child is not there, in my experience. Hmmm.

 

[tiredblondy]

BBM. This is the most telling to me. Even, if by some stretch, he didn't smell anything at lunch (Huge IF, IMO) then he certainly would have immediately upon entering the car after work. No way he would drive any distance without noticing.

I would have thrown up immediately.

I had a friend who got this car at an unbelievable price. Car ran great but she kept talking about a smell she could not get rid of. Long story short, I sat in it for a few seconds and said I think someone's died in here. ( you could not be in the car without the windows rolled down) She started investigating and yes a man had died in the car....there will be some odor forever.

 

[Spice]

A Georgia man searched the Internet for information on how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car in the days before his 22-month-old son died from overheating in a hot SUV, according to a report Wednesday.

At some point prior to the boy&#8217;s tragic death, which a coroner said Wednesday was from hyperthermia and declared a homicide, Harris searched on his work computer for details on animals dying in overheated cars, a source told the Fox affiliate.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35rj5I0G0

Just like Gitana said----"It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

I have found this to be true so often and also especially when this has been so emotional.

Also very interesting to me is that at first everyone was so supportive of the dad-but- it appears that support is weakening quickly.

Why would this petition below be dropped so quickly if people REALLY felt dad was not capable of such an event?


This week, the anonymous author of the petition to drop the murder charges faced by Justin Ross Harris has withdrawn his request, citing recent developments in the investigation by law enforcement agencies in Georgia that suggest death of Ross's infant son might have been more than an accident.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25864933/sources-toddler-death

I agree.

If that internet search really was "days before" the event, that points to absolute premeditated murder. IMO.

Also, as far as the family sticking by him. MANY murderers have had friends and family stick by them in the very beginning only to have the horrible truth dawn on them later.

Scott Peterson comes to mind. And others.

It reminds me so much of the stages of grief. DABDA Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Acceptance.

Denial is to be expected. It's a natural reaction. Who in the WORLD wants to believe a father would purposely murder his baby in such a cruel, slow, and tortuous way. And then callously and creepily pretend it was an accident. Strangers don't even want to believe it.

Family Members and In laws would have an even more difficult time. People are just not always who they seem to be. I think that is just as disturbing for some.

 

[popsicle]

She definitely needs one. They will need contact with her, and the smart thing is to have a lawyer present. Not only that, the police will be picking apart their lives, she is probably in no state to deal with what her rights are and such. I think anytime a spouse is charged with a serious and high profile crime, it's wise for the wife to have a lawyer guiding her through the process. She might now have one, but it's not smart.

With evidence stacking up against him, she would be smart to get her own (seperate) lawyer imo

 

[LisaB]

And it's still possible it's a drop-in facility. We just don't know.

They post their rates on a "per month" basis. Not "per day". So I assume (could be wrong) that it is not drop-off.

 

[CHERIE.T]

He went back to his car sometime that day and put something in the car.

Maybe a water bottle............an air freshener.......cell phone?
OR did he go to his car to see if Cooper was still alive?

bumping my post from yesterday....
could he have put bottled water in the car?

 

[JLSChook]

I thought about that, but I'm sure they are getting SO many calls and I feel really uncomfortable bugging them. Maybe someone else has less of an issue.

If you go to their website, they have a YT video which takes you to the Bright Horizons YT page. Look under the discussions tab. Someone asked the question about their protocol wrt calling parents if a child doesn't show.

No answer from them yet.

 

[x_files]

The obituary sounds like a defense attorney wrote it. :facepalm:

If the wife is still supporting the husband (I have not read anything in either direction the past few days) it would make sense for her to use the same attorney.

yes it does esp:
"He was loved and cherished and protected by both parents and all family members for his short 22 months of life...
Cooper loved trucks and cars and often told them bye as we left parking lots. He had just learned the color red and as we passed red vehicles, he would tell his mommy and his daddy "bye red car, bye red truck."

Why is cars and vehicles mentioned in an obituary about a child who died in one? This is a very sensitive word that is repeated many times in this short obit.
Asking for money in lieu of flowers for a special fund.