GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #3

[NancyA]

He claims it was days before.


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I guess I missed that he actually stated when I only saw 'recently' which could mean anything but if it was days before...case closed AFAIC.

 

[stmarysmead]

Like I said an earlier post, it would depend when the websearches were conducted - if days before yes, this was premeditated, if that same day there's a small chance he just needed to confirm the worst or maybe get some hope against hope when he remembered he'd left Cooper.

Just imagine for a moment that you thought you'd left your precious child alone in a car for several hours. How many of us would take the time to google ANYTHING? It is a rare individual who wouldn't fly out of the office to that car...at warp speed!

Suppose you left an expensive watch in an unlocked car....would you take the time to google the probabilities of it being stolen or run to that car to get the watch? And this was no watch or piece of jewelry...this was his only child!!!

"Let me google first to see if he is still alive...then I'll check." No, I find that improbable.

 

[JudyBolton]

Seems like the reporters sources were stellar!!!


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Yes! That is Atlanta's own Randy Travis....where is Scarlett this morning?

 

[popsicle]

Like I said an earlier post, it would depend when the websearches were conducted - if days before yes, this was premeditated, if that same day there's a small chance he just needed to confirm the worst or maybe get some hope against hope when he remembered he'd left Cooper.

LE isn't going to get the wording wrong in a SW request.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If he did google "how long" and I was on the jury I would convict in a heart beat.

No one that is concerned about forgetting their kid/dog in the car would google "how long until death"! They would google ways to prevent it!

BTW I have googled it a few times because my dog rides with me a lot, there are no dependable alarms to tell you when you left an animal or child in a hot vehicle, the only dependable systems are designed to monitor the car temp with the a/c on and respond IF the temp goes too high and presents a danger to the occupants.

Even the high end police K9 systems only have a beeper that says "REMOVE CANINE FROM CAR" as a reminder when the system is shut off. One would think even parents could set a reminder on their cell phone to do the same thing.

We had a k9 die in the patrol car because the police car stalled. happened in my county a few years ago.


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[CHERIE.T]

Originally Posted by Karmady View Post

The arrest warrant says he put him back in the car seat at Chik-fil-a. So he must have taken him out of the car, right? That's one of the first things I was looking for -- whether he drove through.

IN the arrest warrant.

 

[popsicle]

According to search warrants from a Cobb County magistrate court, investigators seized a number of items from the father's home: An iPhone 5, Hyundai car, home laptop computer, computer tower, a Google Chromecast Internet searcher and other electronic devices.

On the day Cooper died, Harris stopped for breakfast at a fast-food restaurant and afterward strapped his son into a rear-facing child restraint seat on his SUV's back seat, police said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Do you think LE had radio mics open and/or cams to video this interaction with JH?

Interesting possibility...

:waitasec:

 

[Chewy]

[modsnip]. It's why I'm being such a stickler for details. If you have a questionable ME the defense is going to run with that.

If I were speaking to a jury I'd point out the "putting back in the car seat" and the "internet searches" as beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd also like to have proof that the reason he came to the car at noon was to make the discovery. If we can get real verification of the smell in the car, I'd say we have a slam dunk.

 

[NancyA]

LE isn't going to get the wording wrong in a SW request.

:blushing:
Yes, I know right? I'm still re-reading the warrants - while beating myself up for 'skimming'.

 

[JudyBolton]

Really want to know what day care told LE.

Me, too. [modsnip].

OH and I have read in several other places that others are considering the Day Care answer an important piece of evidence.

 

[JeannaT]

Doesn't this constitute premeditation? Was he conducting an experiment or something? How horrible and disturbing. JMO

I would say it constitutes premonition, not premeditation. The fact that he volunteered this information up, freely -

I'm amazed at how many people do seem to "sense" ahead of time a disaster. He knows his brain and he knows he's forgetful.

I think this is no more than an eery sense of foreboding. People sense danger. He knew he was able to forget like this.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Maybe his wife went to daycare to pick her son up, found he wasn't there.
Called husband who didn't answer his phone.
Got really worried, if it's true she usually picked up @ 2:00....





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This is what I have been wondering...

I couldn't remember what time the mom usually picked up Cooper from day care...

soooo... IF she usually picks Cooper up at 2:00 p.m... Or any time before the approx. time of 4:00 p.m. that Justin left work with Cooper in the car.... Then there may already have been calls made between mom and LE, day care, and/or etc...

:waitasec:

 

[Sonya610]

We had a k9 die in the patrol car because the police car stalled. happened in my county a few years ago.

Yeah, that is why the best units on the market are "Hot n Pop" units, if the car stalls or the temperature rises the windows automatically drop and an alert is sent to the owner/handler. When I get rich I am getting one of those!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I would say it constitutes premonition, not premeditation. The fact that he volunteered this information up, freely -



I'm amazed at how many people do seem to "sense" ahead of time a disaster. He knows his brain and he knows he's forgetful.



I think this is no more than an eery sense of foreboding. People sense danger. He knew he was able to forget like this.

There is no such thing as a premonition. You mean a coincidence ?




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[popsicle]

I would say it constitutes premonition, not premeditation. The fact that he volunteered this information up, freely -

I'm amazed at how many people do seem to "sense" ahead of time a disaster. He knows his brain and he knows he's forgetful.

I think this is no more than an eery sense of foreboding. People sense danger. He knew he was able to forget like this.

Yes right...whatever. So instead of searching how to prevent this etc he searches the temps needed to make this happen. :scared:

 

[Sonya610]

I would say it constitutes premonition, not premeditation. The fact that he volunteered this information up, freely -

I'm amazed at how many people do seem to "sense" ahead of time a disaster. He knows his brain and he knows he's forgetful.

Sorry but I disagree. If he "sensed oncoming disaster" he would google possible ways to prevent it, not google "how long it takes to cause death".

Preventing would be key, NOT how many hours until death occurs!

 

[Sonya610]

On the day Cooper died, Harris stopped for breakfast at a fast-food restaurant and afterward strapped his son into a rear-facing child restraint seat on his SUV's back seat, police said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html

I rarely get all righteous and such about murder victims, but if this guy really strapped that baby into the backseat and knowingly left him there to bake to death he deserves the death penalty (and in GA he will get it).

Articles have said they rented and wanted to buy a house, the question about life insurance seems HUGE. I can't think of another reason to kill the toddler, it wasn't rage or abuse, we know that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What friends was he meeting up with after work? how long was that planned? How often did he meet up with friends after work?


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[Chewy]

Sorry but I disagree. If he "sensed oncoming disaster" he would google possible ways to prevent it, not google "how long it takes to cause death".

Preventing would be key, NOT how many hours until death occurs!

Yep, if he had this eerie sense of foreboding and was so worried he'd

CHECK THE BACK OF THE CAR FANATICALLY EVERY TIME HE LEFT IT! He went to that car THREE TIMES that day and didn't instinctively look in the back seat. If he was really overwhelmed with this sense of doom, you'd think he'd at least one of those times look in the back seat out of instinct. But his story is that he didn't even look in the back when he left it, when he returned at lunch AND when he came down to leave work. Someone who is worried about such a thing happening would at least LOOK at the back seat.

What friends was he meeting up with after work? how long was that planned? How often did he meet up with friends after work?


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This interests me as well. Information about this could potentially bear out the idea of premeditation. If he's setting up his "story" and he's going to meet friends, most people would not really want to bring a 2 year old a long to certain types of venues. Ex Hooters or something like that. I'm curious to see the details about this.