GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #3

[JeannaT]

There is no such thing as a premonition. You mean a coincidence ?




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No, I mean premonition.

Not everyone believes in premonition, I get that. But some people are very sensitive to "what could happen" by knowing their lifestyle and knowing themselves.

And also by something else spiritual.

I've seen it, I've felt it, I believe it. But no, thanks, I didn't choose the wrong word and it seems rather bold to tell someone that a word that actually exists (so people do believe it) isn't real.

 

[JeannaT]

In pondering this, I wonder how many hundreds - thousands - of parents out there are right now saying oh God, I could do that. That could happen to me.

I hope they are researching ways to prevent this - the best I've seen so far is to put your phone or one shoe back with the child. That would work.

 

[popsicle]

What friends was he meeting up with after work? how long was that planned? How often did he meet up with friends after work?


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Like I said, when you have your first baby it is life altering. I think he had figured this out. imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yep, if he had this eerie sense of foreboding and was so worried he'd



CHECK THE BACK OF THE CAR FANATICALLY EVERY TIME HE LEFT IT!

Yep, how about that?

Like every other person that has a fear that something may happen.




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[JeannaT]

Yep, how about that?

Like every other person that has a fear that something may happen.




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I thought there was no such thing as premonition.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Here's something I am puzzled about....did they own TWO car seats?

Those car seats are not inexpensive and many young families have two cars but one car seat. So the parent transporting the child, if they do indeed "take turns"....has to move the car seat to his specific car. The presence of the car seat...taking up a sizable part of the back seat...is then a big clue...that YOU have the child with YOU!

How did he lock the car, facing it...or come back at noon and not have the sight of that car seat remind him...that HE had the child that day? In a small SUV, these car seats are not inconspicuous anywhere.

In any event, if they took turns, then he has the physical act of actually inserting the car seat from her car to his...then strapping in his son...then driving, then removing him at the breakfast stop, then strapping him in again, then driving a just few more minutes...and, oops, forgetting.

Then he approaches the car again later in the day. Even if he does not see the child, you cannot miss the car seat in a small SUV. Then he actually enters the car and begins to drive home. I wonder if he had to back out of the parking place? Turn your head or look in the rear view...there is the car seat! Again, how does the presence of the car seat just blow past him?

I am having trouble with a father being this distracted under these circumstances for this long.

Good question...

Were these parents in the habit of switching the one car seat to each other's car?

did they leave the car seat at day care each time they dropped Cooper off so that the other would have the car seat to drive Cooper home?

the fact that there was the car seat (IMO... Hard to miss) in his car at all would be a strong indication of something very awry...

All...JMO

 

[NancyA]

I would say it constitutes premonition, not premeditation. The fact that he volunteered this information up, freely -

I'm amazed at how many people do seem to "sense" ahead of time a disaster. He knows his brain and he knows he's forgetful.

I think this is no more than an eery sense of foreboding. People sense danger. He knew he was able to forget like this.

You know, I've tried to come up with ways not to have this man turn out to be a totally sickeningly, sadistic, horrible excuse for a human being who deliberately left his child to bake to death for several long, painful hours in a car but really - premonitions? [modsnip].

 

[Chewy]

No, I mean premonition.

Not everyone believes in premonition, I get that. But some people are very sensitive to "what could happen" by knowing their lifestyle and knowing themselves.

And also by something else spiritual.

I've seen it, I've felt it, I believe it. But no, thanks, I didn't choose the wrong word and it seems rather bold to tell someone that a word that actually exists (so people do believe it) isn't real.

I posted it before as an edit, but think about what you are saying. Think about the times you've had a "bad feeling about this" It makes you a little paranoid at times.

This man was at the car THREE TIMES and in the middle of all this premonitiony stuff, he didn't even look at the back seat. Not once. Not once according to him THREE TIMES.

If he came out at lunch time and it was hot in the car, which everyone notices when they open a car door left in the hot sun, he'd THEN have been all "heebie jeebie" shudder, imagine leaving Cooper in here and forgetting! OMG Creepy! And he'd have LOOKED at the car seat.

Sorry, even if he was a psychic with the abilities of premonition he'd have at least ONE of those three times looked at the car seat as he was by the car.

:twocents:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Cobb County Police said the purpose of the search warrants was to find blood, DNA, writings, photographs relating to child abuse, child neglect, homicide to children, and cruelty to children.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html

 

[stmarysmead]

If he had a premonition, then it follows he has fear. If I had a premonition of my child dying in a school bus crash, I'd drive her to school even if it were terribly inconvenient. I'd rack my mind for ways to keep her off that bus.

So if he feared this enough to google it, why did he not write a note to himself and put it on the dashboard? Why didn't he tie a string around his finger? I'm assuming he did none of these things because he forgot the child in that very short time between the Chick-Fil-a and his workplace. He forgot that child after handling him, putting him in his car seat, just moments before.

So I'm not buying any great fear here or premonition.

I see premeditation.

 

[JeannaT]

I posted it before as an edit, but think about what you are saying. Think about the times you've had a "bad feeling about this" It makes you a little paranoid at times.

This man was at the car THREE TIMES and in the middle of all this premonitiony stuff, he didn't even look at the back seat. Not once. Not once according to him THREE TIMES.

If he came out at lunch time and it was hot in the car, which everyone notices when they open a car door left in the hot sun, he'd THEN have been all "heebie jeebie" shudder, imagine leaving Cooper in here and forgetting! OMG Creepy! And he'd have LOOKED at the car seat.

Sorry, even if he was a psychic with the abilities of premonition he'd have at least ONE of those three times looked at the car seat as he was by the car.

:twocents:

I can't explain it rationally either. Premonitions aren't necessarily psychic - they're usually rational. People who know they have extremely adventuresome fearless little kids and they also know they often have lapses of careful attention have premonitions that their child will sneak out of the house and fall into the pond on the property. It's a forewarning your brain gives you based on reasonable danger. And in that case, some people act on it and do things like put extreme locks on their doors and teach their toddlers to swim, to head off the premonition. Others, like Harris, did nothing with his fear. Nothing, apparently.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I thought there was no such thing as premonition.

****has a fear**** is not a premonition.

I have a fear of my house catching on fire. I make sure I blow out candles when I leave the room.
I'm diligent.

I have a fear of someone breaking into my home, so I lock my doors at night and when I leave.

See the difference?


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[Chewy]

I can't explain it rationally either. Premonitions aren't necessarily psychic - they're usually rational. People who know they have extremely adventuresome fearless little kids and they also know they often have lapses of careful attention have premonitions that their child will sneak out of the house and fall into the pond on the property. It's a forewarning your brain gives you based on reasonable danger. And in that case, some people act on it and do things like put extreme locks on their doors and teach their toddlers to swim, to head off the premonition. Others, like Harris, did nothing with his fear. Nothing, apparently.

You didn't answer the question. I'm not talking prevention, I'm talking just LOOKING at the car seat. He was at the car three times, right on the back of having premonitions and worry about something. You can't convince me that someone who just the week before was having eerie feelings about leaving their kid in the back of the car wouldn't LOOK at the car seat in the back even ONE time, after being at the car three times.

One time maybe, twice, pushing it, THREE TIMES? No way.

 

[JeannaT]

You didn't answer the question. I'm not talking prevention, I'm talking just LOOKING at the car seat. He was at the car three times, right on the back of having premonitions and worry about something. You can't convince me that someone who just the week before was having eerie feelings about leaving their kid in the back of the car wouldn't LOOK at the car seat in the back even ONE time, after being at the car three times.

One time maybe, twice, pushing it, THREE TIMES? No way.

I have no way to explain it, Chewy. That's the answer to the question. It's in the first line of my post.

 

[popsicle]

If he had a premonition, then it follows he has fear. If I had a premonition of my child dying in a school bus crash, I'd drive her to school even if it were terribly inconvenient. I'd rack my mind for ways to keep her off that bus.

So if he feared this enough to google it, why did he not write a note to himself and put it on the dashboard? Why didn't he tie a string around his finger? I'm assuming he did none of these things because he forgot the child in that very short time between the Chick-Fil-a and his workplace. He forgot that child after handling him, putting him in his car seat, just moments before.

So I'm not buying any great fear here or premonition.

I see premeditation.

He didn't even check the car-seat when he went to the car at lunch time. It is a BS excuse for him imo.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I've already seen people trying to make this case. "he looked it up after the fact" etc. It's amazing how defense attorneys will spin details.

I was watching a report on the Darlie Routier case last night and every bit of evidence that was presented by the Prosecutor was spun out in a different way by the defense.

The Prosecutor made an interesting point, he said he is bound by the truth, but the defense attorneys are not.

They can say whatever they want and they don't have to really prove it.

Consider the Casey Anthony case where they accused her father of sexually molesting her and then never backed up the accusation at all. Their job is to plant a seed of doubt.

BBM...

Well said... This puts it into perspective for me why I get so very frustrated with this part of our legal system...

JMO

 

[laceandruffles]

I can't explain it rationally either. Premonitions aren't necessarily psychic - they're usually rational. People who know they have extremely adventuresome fearless little kids and they also know they often have lapses of careful attention have premonitions that their child will sneak out of the house and fall into the pond on the property. It's a forewarning your brain gives you based on reasonable danger. And in that case, some people act on it and do things like put extreme locks on their doors and teach their toddlers to swim, to head off the premonition. Others, like Harris, did nothing with his fear. Nothing, apparently.

bbm


And therefore, he should be charged w/ Cruelty to Child 2nd degree, and Felony Murder and should spend the rest of his life rotting in prison. There is no rational defense for his actions.

 

[JudyBolton]

You didn't answer the question. I'm not talking prevention, I'm talking just LOOKING at the car seat. He was at the car three times, right on the back of having premonitions and worry about something. You can't convince me that someone who just the week before was having eerie feelings about leaving their kid in the back of the car wouldn't LOOK at the car seat in the back even ONE time, after being at the car three times.

One time maybe, twice, pushing it, THREE TIMES? No way.

Especially when it is HOT inside the car. As I stated previously, yesterday as I was running errands, every single time I got into my car and felt the extreme heat - I immediately thought about Cooper. HOW could he open his car at noon - feel that blast of hot air - having had this (as a fear/premonition/ whatever) and NOT look into that car seat? Just does not make common sense. I am sad

 

[tlcya]

just woke up still have to back read to get caught up.

"During an interview with Justin, he stated that he recently researched, through the internet, child deaths inside vehicles and what temperature it needs to be for that to occur," according to a sworn statement in the warrant from a police officer. "Justin stated that he was fearful that this could happen."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/28/justice/georgia-toddler-death/index.html

MOO stick a fork in the dude, he's done.

 

[Sonya610]

No, I mean premonition.

Not everyone believes in premonition, I get that. But some people are very sensitive to "what could happen" by knowing their lifestyle and knowing themselves.

I believe in premonition (not that I can recall having experienced it). Regardless if I had a premonition something really BAD would happen I would research ways to prevent/avoid/deal that catastrophe.

He researched how long it would take to "cause death". Huge difference.