GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #4

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  • #761
This case is starting to remind me of another one where the husband lied about getting accepted into medical school and kills his wife when she found out. She was found in the land fill later on.


Thank you and for the life of me I can't remember the *&^%%$ 's name
Same kind of persona too!!


Super hero to everyone in the community always had time for people's troubles.....

He should be getting out of prison soon I believe ---
 
  • #762
Yes but we don't know if he explained why he was fearful. I don't think those affidavits have to go into the explanation. Just the statement alone was enough for probable cause. I just want to look from all angles. Its not likely a coincidence but I will be waiting on the date of the searches. If it was close to May 14th a defense lawyer will jump on this in my opinion

I am hearing you and picking up what you are laying down. You and I seem to be looking at this from a long view and what the attorneys for both sides are going to do with this evidence. And I completely believe that recent prior cases in the news about child heat vehicle deaths will be featured prominently in the defense of these searches in an attempt to make those searches appear more inncocent, the actions of worried first time parents.

But the rest of their web histories should be able to bear that out. For instance, reading several news reports about a specific story and/or commenting on such reports/articles. Researching specific temps in the area where the case occurred and whether those temps and other case info matches up with other facts in that case.

Their searches should be able to tie back to specific questions or concerns in any recent case of heat child death and their history should also show a more than passing interest in that case.

My guess is that the defense will not be able to do that. But ever since the case involving the woman with the name I refuse to speak which involved web searches and the smell of dead bodies I worry about jurors in general.

It's why I am glad none of these things matter based on the charges at hand IMO. They will probably prevent any charges against mom unless some new search shattering evidence comes to light, but for the charges against dad, neither malice nor premeditation factor into his charges so the searches will end up being moot.

I am curious whether those searches will even get big play in the trial. They were needed in order to get the search warrants so LE could look for evidence of premeditation if it exists. But they are not needed to prove the charges at hand and could IMO confuse the issue or muddy the waters for a jury.
 
  • #763
No offense, have you read the media thread? Are you all caught up?


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LOL, I have not read every story. Probably 4 local stories and 2 or 3 on CNN. What did I miss?
 
  • #764
Who else lives in the south, in a hot area. How often can you watch the local news or look at the internet news and NOT see hot car warnings in the summer? It's all over the news here.
It's not just in the South either. I live in Canada, and we have those warnings on a daily basis here.

Yesterday around noon, I went out to do some shopping. When I left home, it was 85 degrees outside and extremely humid. I used my remote starter before I went to the car and it ran, with A/C on full, for about 10 minutes.

When I got into my car, the temp inside was 122 degrees! I almost broke down thinking of Cooper suffering so bad in that car. :(
 
  • #765
Harris is an IT guy and he has to know they are going to search his computer. He has to know how to hide stuff, but he didn't

I am just not seeing this as intentional yet.

We don't have that info yet. They may have found the info on the computer as an attempted hidden file.
 
  • #766
Harris is an IT guy and he has to know they are going to search his computer. He has to know how to hide stuff, but he didn't

I am just not seeing this as intentional yet.

If he was so sure it'd be taken as an accident, that people would believe him, then he might not have thought to hide anything. Also, as an IT guy, he'd have to know that short of destroying the HDD, the cops may have been able to dig around and find things. Nothing is totally deleted on your computer. I'm not 100% sure if those encrypting/erasing programs can destroy everything to the point that forensics can find no trace, either. And even if he used one of those programs, that would raise some suspicions in of itself.

IMO, he was too sure of himself that he thought it'd be written off as a tragic accident and never thought to deal with his searches.

But when he was arrested and realized things weren't looking in his favor, he knew they'd find them so what does he do? Confesses to them. I think he was trying to minimize them and make it seem like he was doing it for a good reason. Sort of like a kid who tattles on a sibling for breaking the vase right when the parents come in, to minimize their role in it -- it wasn't me, it was someone else. In this case, it wasn't research for killing my kid, it was to prevent it.
 
  • #767
Harris is an IT guy and he has to know they are going to search his computer. He has to know how to hide stuff, but he didn't

I am just not seeing this as intentional yet.

You don't need to hide, if you expect it to be viewed as an accident with no investigation. In the middle of supposed hysterical grief, he just happens to divulge this web search, so he can explain why and how it's innocent.

Do.Not.Buy.It.
 
  • #768
LOL, I have not read every story. Probably 4 local stories and 2 or 3 on CNN. What did I miss?


Lol I don't know what 2 or 3 you've read;)


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  • #769
Well....He had a dream don't ya know. His father claims, the accused child murderer shared a dream he had where his child was sitting on Jesus's lap and his wife was working at a nursery.




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OR-As we are learning more about Harris, maybe he thought he had planned this so well that it would never be looked at as anything but an accident. No need to hide that which won't be searched.



you left out the part with the geetar

nearly sprayed the computer screen with my coffee when I saw that remark


guess he's planning on bringing that turquoise fender with him in his casket
 
  • #770
What the heck is a groom's cake?

Ok, around here, deep south, a grooms cake is usually a smaller cake, with its own table at the reception. Often a chocolate cake with decorated with fruit. But it can be any kind of cake decorated in a way that expresses the interests/hobbies or SEC team of the groom.

I made the groom cake for my SIL. It was chocolate with chocolate dipped strawberries on top.

One of my sons had one of those giant chocolate chip cookies with Auburn logo and War Eagle on it.
 
  • #771
Ok, around here, deep south, a grooms cake is usually a smaller cake, with its own table at the reception. Often a chocolate cake with decorated with fruit. But it can be any kind of cake decorated in a way that expresses the interests/hobbies or SEC team of the groom.

I made the groom cake for my SIL. It was chocolate with chocolate dipped strawberries on top.

One of my sons had one of those giant chocolate chip cookies with Auburn logo and War Eagle on it.

and who gets to eat it??

is it shared with all the guests??
 
  • #772
According to dad Cooper was heard choking.

But that has to be a lie because a dead child in rigor doesn't make choking sounds.

Remember, when bio-dad took him out of the car, he was still in the sitting position. I can't imagine seeing the horror of that.

MOO

Mel
 
  • #773
OR-As we are learning more about Harris, maybe he thought he had planned this so well that it would never be looked at as anything but an accident. No need to hide that which won't be searched.



you left out the part with the geetar



nearly sprayed the computer screen with my coffee when I saw that remark

guess he's planning on bringing that turquoise fender with him in his casket


Pffft!

That guitar !!!!!


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  • #774
I am hearing you and picking up what you are laying down. You and I seem to be looking at this from a long view and what the attorneys for both sides are going to do with this evidence. And I completely believe that recent prior cases in the news about child heat vehicle deaths will be featured prominently in the defense of these searches in an attempt to make those searches appear more inncocent, the actions of worried first time parents.

But the rest of their web histories should be able to bear that out. For instance, reading several news reports about a specific story and/or commenting on such reports/articles. Researching specific temps in the area where the case occurred and whether those temps and other case info matches up with other facts in that case.

Their searches should be able to tie back to specific questions or concerns in any recent case of heat child death and their history should also show a more than passing interest in that case.

My guess is that the defense will not be able to do that. But ever since the case involving the woman with the name I refuse to speak which involved web searches and the smell of dead bodies I worry about jurors in general.

It's why I am glad none of these things matter based on the charges at hand IMO. They will probably prevent any charges against mom unless some new search shattering evidence comes to light, but for the charges against dad, neither malice nor premeditation factor into his charges so the searches will end up being moot.

I am curious whether those searches will even get big play in the trial. They were needed in order to get the search warrants so LE could look for evidence of premeditation if it exists. But they are not needed to prove the charges at hand and could IMO confuse the issue or muddy the waters for a jury.

Good point as far as premeditation not being a factor. If a prosecutor opens the door though and for any reason submits the searches into evidence the defense can discuss it at length. Also in the opening and closing arguments they can basically say whatever they want about it. Scared parents who tragically had looked this up because they wanted to prevent it yada yada. God forbid they looked up any other child indangerment issues in the past it could be used to back the statement up. And vice versa... Prosecution could imply they were
Shopping around for a way to do it and settles on the car but if they are not charging anything involving intent it might never come up.
 
  • #775
You don't need to hide, if you expect it to be viewed as an accident with no investigation. In the middle of supposed hysterical grief, he just happens to divulge this web search, so he can explain why and how it's innocent.

Do.Not.Buy.It.

I'm reserving judgement:)
 
  • #776
  • #777
LOL, I have not read every story. Probably 4 local stories and 2 or 3 on CNN. What did I miss?

In a nutshell-

Both bio parents claim, in their statements to PD after baby's death, that they did web searches on children dying in hot cars.

Additionally, when bio dad called in to the funeral, he apparently said he had had a dream before baby died that he was going to die.

This is one unlucky child and one unlucky family because in spite of their "vigilance", their son died and in a hot car too.

:banghead:
 
  • #778
and who gets to eat it??

is it shared with all the guests??

From my experience, the groom, groomsmen, and male guests hang out and eat it.

MOO

Mel
 
  • #779
JMO So much for the internet search Mr. daddy did. Didn't do any good... Cooper
is dead!!!


Oh wait! maybe it did go according to dads plan.....
It went exactly as planned. It was no coincidence he was standing beside that car during the hottest few hours this entire month!
moo
 
  • #780
In a nutshell-

Both bio parents claim, in their statements to PD after baby's death, that they did web searches on children dying in hot cars.

Additionally, when bio dad called in to the funeral, he apparently said he had had a dream before baby died that he was going to die.

This is one unlucky child and one unlucky family because in spite of their "vigilance", their son died and in a hot car too.

:banghead:

Well, I read all of that.
 
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