GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[Kip]

It may or may not be. It is too early to tell until all the evidence is in.

I wonder how many people whose children drown have looked up water safety or child drowning.

It is just too soon to say. IMO

It would be one thing to look up water safety or preventing childhood drowning, and quite another to look up how long it takes a child to drown.

 

[Lovejac]

Sounds like a dramatic reading, to me. How do we know that's her voice? jmo

Yep. It was a dramatic reading. I just listened to it and wanted to let others know that it's not Leann.

I cant believe that none of the media recorded

 

[JLSChook]

As long as posters gave you flack within the boundries of our "Terms of Service".

Hey I welcome discussion on my post. I'm just waiting until there is a motive revealed. If there is no motive then I don't know how strong of a case they really have.

This case really is just getting started, and I'm sure LE and the prosecutors have much more that we are not privy to, however, IMO, there is enough evidence out there to plainly see that this was not an accident.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

As long as posters gave you flack within the boundries of our "Terms of Service".

Hey I welcome discussion on my post. I'm just waiting until there is a motive revealed. If there is no motive then I don't know how strong of a case they really have.

Even though I repeatedly stated that a clear motive would make me see this case differently I was confronted with multiple posts about how motive was not necessary to prove guilt.

I never said it did. I was only stating how it would effect my personnel view of this case. A lack of motive is a weakness in the States case at this time IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It would be one thing to look up water safety or preventing childhood drowning, and quite another to look up how long it takes a child to drown.

No, Not to me. It is all the same. And some times as simple search will lead to all different sites on the topic.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am not disagreeing. I am in agreement.

ETA sorry if my post you quoted did not make that clear.

I understand. I was just expanding the discussion a bit. LOL.

 

[SwampMama]

~bbm

Do you have some actual experience with this? I've been waiting to hear LE verify the smell since it seemed to clinch at least a cover-up. But this is something that never crossed my mind -- that the smell was released during the car ride and wouldn't have been evident without the body having be jostled in transport. :seeya:

Hubby and I are first responders. Although it is not specifically part of our job, we do stay at the scene of a death to help the coroner. (We live in a small rural town where everyone knows each other). So the coroner is someone that hubby knows well and we have had many discussions about different circumstances with dead bodies and the things we have experienced. Bodies have been known to "burp, expel gas or feces, urinate, twitch and other such things.


http://io9.com/5862418/10-bodily-functions-that-continue-after-death

2. Vocalization....(after death) bacteria go to work and the proportion of the gas increases. Since we carry most bacteria inside our body, the gas builds up inside. .... One of those ways is through the windpipe. Since rigor mortis stiffens all the muscles, including the ones that work the vocal cords, the combination leads to some very eerie sounds coming from dead bodies. People hear moans, groans, and squeaks coming from the dead

 

[tlcya]

I understand. I was just expanding the discussion a bit. LOL.

sorry but now I am afraid to post lest I be termed a gang banger or a power poster

It feels weird having a view that opposes yours, not sure how to act, lol

 

[Lovejac]

Did anyone video or record the actual funeral?

I have been searching , but haven't been able to find any recording.

Frustrating

 

[newone]

:Welcome1:

Wow, I just found this forum this weekend and I am embarrassed to admit how long I've spent catching up on threads! You all are quite insightful! I don't normally follow cases like these because they are so sad, but RH is a friend of friends. I was so sad for him and his family when I heard the news. I've kept up with news articles and defended him here and there.

Then I wondered why didn't he pick up CH if he just forgot to drop him off? I didn't know LH usually did it at the time. I found this board and have been reading pretty much nonstop ever since. Like I said, I don't know him at all, but what you all have uncovered in his personality reminds me very much of my ex husband who is a narcissist in these same circles where appearance is everything.

When my ex and I had our baby, he did not adjust well to no longer being the center of attention or being able to do what he wanted when he wanted. He was the image of the doting father, but behind closed doors, it wasn't like that. Eventually, he decided he wanted out, but he couldn't stand the thought of being the bad guy, so he came up with an elaborate scheme to make the end of the marriage my fault. He put us through absolute misery before finally terminating his parental rights to avoid paying child support while adopting his stepkids. He has quite the following of people who think he's the best dad in the world and would be shocked if they knew. The reason they don't is because I know they wouldn't believe me. Funny enough, both my ex and JH were on the same message board for awhile where they were both liked and accepted.

Why couldn't they walk away like most dads? IMO, 2 reasons. 1) As narcissists, they can't stand the idea of sharing THEIR money in paying child support. 2) In their ultra conservative communities, they can't take the ego crushing idea that they might be seen as the bad guy. It's too much for their egos to handle. Because they are the most important person in the world to themselves, they don't think about how their actions hurt others. It's all about getting what they want and saving face, never having to admit they did anything wrong.

Now that I've been through it, I can spot this personality type a mile away and imoo, JH pings my radar.

This points directly to the elusive motive. I think his motive was exactly the same as my ex's: get out of a situation that requires genuine self-sacrifice and responsibility, get out of paying child support, and do all in such a way that people not only don't blame them for doing something bad but also feel sorry for them. While not everyone feels sorry for JH, of course, the people in his circle DO. And that was the entire point.

Everything else, I have nothing to add. I completely agree this was an accident on purpose for all the reasons you all have already stated. Excellent points.

All of the above MOO. Sorry for the super long first post!

:Welcome1:


Welcome to WS and thank you for your very thoughtful insight -- you raise some interesting views. The wolf in sheep's clothing is all too familiar and you have expressed motive so beautifully.

Thank you

 

[Tricia]

Even though I repeatedly stated that a clear motive would make me see this case differently I was confronted with multiple posts about how motive was not necessary to prove guilt.

I never said it did. I was only stating how it would effect my personnel view of this case. A lack of motive is a weakness in the States case at this time IMO.

It's true motive is not needed but I would imagine this case would be hard to prove without motive. IMO of couse.

I'm waiting to see if they had life insurance on the little guy and if they did how much? What is their financial situation?

The answers to those questions could prove interesting.

 

[nightwatch]

BBM

Hi Judicious,

The funeral was not paid for by HD. They have a charity fund that others contribute to that is called The Homer Fund.

In lieu of flowers or donations, the Harris family asked people to contribute to the Homer Fund.

I believe this was a very generous gesture, and gave the family the opportunity to make sure Cooper received a proper funeral/burial.

The Homer Fund is a charity exclusively for associates of the Home Depot and its family of companies and benefits many people. You can find their web-site on-line.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/27/justice/georgia-toddler-death-duplicate-2/

A charity fund at Harris's employer, The Home Depot, will pay for the funeral, company spokeswoman Catherine Woodling told CNN. Harris, who worked as a web designer, has been placed on unpaid administrative leave, she said.
The funding of the funeral from the Home Depot charity, the Homer Fund, is a "standard approach," she said.

Best,

Melanie

If the funeral was not paid for by corporate, I stand corrected. Jmo

ciao

 

[tlcya]

Tricia - it was reported by their landlord in the MSM that they were doing well financially and were intending to soon buy a home.

 

[Tricia]

Are there any videos of either or both parents after the death of Cooper?

A look at their body language could help here too.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It's true motive is not needed but I would imagine this case would be hard to prove without motive. IMO of couse.

I'm waiting to see if they had life insurance on the little guy and if they did how much? What is their financial situation?

The answers to those questions could prove interesting.

I don't know about anyone else but if they have the gerber life plan that is not going to make me believe they did it for money. I have it, Many people have it. My SIL had it for her child. When I asked if it felt morbid, She said I did not want to do it, but then her mother said to her, The only thing worse than having to bury your child is having to bury your child and not being able to pay for it.

It makes sense.


I need something more than that for motive. I just don't see it. Not yet.

 

[JeannaT]

That she searched or that she said she searched?

It doesn't appear that she's had a chance to speak freely with her husband since this horror happened.

Under what circumstances would Leanne know to take the fall, to claim she too searched the internet for this if, in fact, she hadn't?

How do you work backwards for that to call her a liar about having searched?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

sorry but now I am afraid to post lest I be termed a gang banger or a power poster

It feels weird having a view that opposes yours, not sure how to act, lol

Go for it! I don't see how posting an opposing view from mine will get you in trouble. It happens all of the time without anything happening to anyone. LOL.

 

[Kip]

If the dad did do this purposefully, even though he's in IT, I don't think he thought he would end up a suspect, and thus didn't bother to delete his searches.

Maybe it's happened and I just don't remember, but in the cases I can recall of children dying in hot cars, I can't recall any where LE looked at the parents' computers. It seems like there must have been one or more things that seemed off to LE about the circumstances in this case that led to the quick arrest and searches.

 

[gngr~snap]

It's true motive is not needed but I would imagine this case would be hard to prove without motive. IMO of couse.

I'm waiting to see if they had life insurance on the little guy and if they did how much? What is their financial situation?

The answers to those questions could prove interesting.

Mom graduated from University of Alabama. Licensed Dietitian. If that is still her career by now she is probably making as much or more than her husband was.
(well not part time, but you know what I mean.)

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/30/cooper-harris-hot-car-death-mother/11807695/

 

[Lovejac]

Who is on Twitter? I don't tweet, lol, but someone here follows reporter Randy Travis.

I was wondering if he's tweeted anything lately