GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #6

[Tricia]

I don't know about anyone else but if they have the gerber life plan that is not going to make me believe they did it for money. I have it, Many people have it. My SIL had it for her child. When I asked if it felt morbid, She said I did not want to do it, but then her mother said to her, The only thing worse than having to bury your child is having to bury your child and not being able to pay for it.

It makes sense.


I need something more than that for motive. I just don't see it. Not yet.

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

I agree but if it is not a 10 grand Gerber Life Plan and it is something substantial then that would be motive. IMO

 

[EGirl]

It doesn't appear that she's had a chance to speak freely with her husband since this horror happened.

Under what circumstances would Leanne know to take the fall, to claim she too searched the internet for this if, in fact, she hadn't?

How do you work backwards for that to call her a liar about having searched?

We have no idea if LE asked her about the searches when they questioned her and we have no idea if she spoke with him.

None of these are known facts yet. So again, this is MY OPINION.

 

[tlcya]

agree with you on the Gerber Life or any other small life insurance policy that is intended to cover funeral costs and such. Those are common and I remember in teh Ayla Reynolds case when news broke of the life insurance purchase by her father (who I think is guilty as sin BTW) everyone was very wound up about it and I remember thinking "I know this guy did this but a small life insurance policy on a child is not motive nor proof of murder, it is responsible adulthood."

 

[Tricia]

Mom graduated from University of Alabama. Licensed Dietitian. If that is still her career by now she is probably making as much or more than her husband was.
(well not part time, but you know what I mean.)

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/30/cooper-harris-hot-car-death-mother/11807695/

Thank you gngr~snap. This is helpful.

 

[JeannaT]

sorry but now I am afraid to post lest I be termed a gang banger or a power poster

It feels weird having a view that opposes yours, not sure how to act, lol

Me either. I don't want to be a power poster either. I did look it up in the urban dictionary and it said it's posters who purposely "up" their posting count when they're on a website that gives extra points or benefits or status to posters with high levels of posting. So power posters apparently post things with no content whatsoever just to get big post numbers.

Salem was using the term to mean people who keep on and on and on posting trying to prove their point. That's me, and I do that for awhile and then fade for awhile. I don't want to be banned either. Wish we had clearer boundaries. ;D

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's true motive is not needed but I would imagine this case would be hard to prove without motive. IMO of couse.

I'm waiting to see if they had life insurance on the little guy and if they did how much? What is their financial situation?

The answers to those questions could prove interesting.

That's pretty much where I'm at. Information may come out later that shows a clear motive or other evidence that points towards obvious guilt. I'm willing to wait and see.

JMO.

 

[Salem]

I don't think an odor would have jarred my memory. I don't think I would go from GOOD GOD it smells in here, to therefore my child must be dead.

I might think a cat had crawled up in there, a diaper was left, something.

It seems in retrospect that an odor is obviously the deceased child, but that's because we know how this ends.

But wouldn't you look for that cat or diaper? Wouldn't you look for the source of the smell before you got in that hot car that had been sitting in the parking lot all day? I can't imagine getting into a car that reeks without finding the source and taking care of it, kwim? I certainly am not going to drive around anywhere in a car that reeks. I just can't imagine this - just get in and drive away...... small, hot car and no way to get past the smell.

Yeah - that's not happening for me. One smell and one look at that car seat, it would have been 911. Unless of course the guy is brain dead. I don't know, maybe that is a possibility, but otherwise, there is just no way to explain this to my satisfaction.

Salem
Said as a member, not a moderator, so please feel free to disagree.

 

[JLSChook]

Who is on Twitter? I don't tweet, lol, but someone here follows reporter Randy Travis.

I was wondering if he's tweeted anything lately

Nothing about this case since yesterday. He's tweeting about other stories.



https://twitter.com/RandyTravisFox5/with_replies

 

[JeannaT]

We have no idea if LE asked her about the searches when they questioned her and we have no idea if she spoke with him.

None of these are known facts yet. So again, this is MY OPINION.

It's a known fact that she was questioned after Harris was in custody, because he was in custody while that sweet baby's remains were still on the pavement.

So we know they didn't have a private discussion where he told her to take the fall for him by claiming to have made internet searches. We know that. We know that CNN said he wasn't receiving visitors or media.

[modsnip]

 

[EGirl]

Are there any videos of either or both parents after the death of Cooper?

A look at their body language could help here too.

I haven't seen video but hope some comes out. I'm bothered that his booking photo does not show a man that has been crying and devastated by the tragic loss of his son.

That picture bothers me. It looks defiant, not sad. But, that is JMO

 

[Tulessa]

Good Morning Everyone. Seems you all had a busy night, early morning.

Please read the following:

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Please read your post before hitting reply. If your post is personal to someone else, don't post it.

Salem

:seeya:

 

[tlcya]

It doesn't appear that she's had a chance to speak freely with her husband since this horror happened.

Under what circumstances would Leanne know to take the fall, to claim she too searched the internet for this if, in fact, she hadn't?

How do you work backwards for that to call her a liar about having searched?

reports state he was making calls (plural)

much was made about how he was encouraged by LE at the scene to call his wife and tell her what happened.

We have no clue what calls were made beforehand and if any were to Leanna

It is likely that LE told Leanna when interviewing Ross that he had admitted searches on work computer. She may have worried that he had done the same on home devices and therefore tried to mitigate his admission with one of her own.

I think it more likely that Leanna herself made those searches at home but am open to the possiblity that she is throwing herself under the bus like a good and subservience wife for her leader of the family in observance of very tightly help personal [modsnip] believes.


To me her searching and him searching is twice as damning as him doing all the searches. JMO

 

[EGirl]

It's a known fact that she was questioned after Harris was in custody, because he was in custody while that sweet baby's remains were still on the pavement.

So we know they didn't have a private discussion where he told her to take the fall for him. We know that. We know that CNN said he wasn't receiving visitors or media.

He didn't have to say 'take the fall'.. he could have said I told them I searched for x,y,z.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. This is MO. We'll see what info the next weeks bring.

 

[Sincerely]

Are you talking about at lunchtime?

I'm Thinking his child wasn't dead yet...he may have been in a coma...& making those CHOKING sounds he claims to have heard.




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I agree...I believe his plan was simply...leave poor Cooper (the real victim)...to die...LE see it as an accident...and that's it. He forgot..many people get away with it. Why plan more. And why make so many excuses for him? He's a big boy. If he's innocent that will come out...there won't be enough evidence to prove it...but if he's guilty Cooper needs justice. [modsnip]:/


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[tlcya]

nothing new tweet wise from Reporter - Randy Travis

 

[JeannaT]

But wouldn't you look for that cat or diaper? Wouldn't you look for the source of the smell before you got in that hot car that had been sitting in the parking lot all day? I can't imagine getting into a car that reeks without finding the source and taking care of it, kwim? I certainly am not going to drive around anywhere in a car that reeks. I just can't imagine this - just get in and drive away...... small, hot car and no way to get past the smell.

Yeah - that's not happening for me. One smell and one look at that car seat, it would have been 911. Unless of course the guy is brain dead. I don't know, maybe that is a possibility, but otherwise, there is just no way to explain this to my satisfaction.

Salem
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I don't know. If the smell was HORRIBLE - that's one thing. I'm very curious to hear what others said about the odor at the scene - I'm sure the car was taken to forensics and gone over. If I open the car up and a FOUL odor whooshes out at me, I would search it before getting in.

If I got in and the car smelled funky, and as I drove more it smelled funkier, I think I'd first imagine some awful thing was in the atmosphere. I'd turn the AC to "recirc" and maybe roll down a window to see if the smell was coming from outside.

I guess the basis of this is that I don't believe a baby would smell all THAT foul after such a short period. A cop saying it "stunk to high heaven" might indicate he could detect an odor he knew - human decomposition - in that car. It may not turn out that the smell was so awful as the media says.

Coroners wouldn't be able to do their jobs if little babies like that stunk to high heaven after 4 hours, IMHO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

reports state he was making calls (plural)

much was made about how he was encouraged by LE at the scene to call his wife and tell her what happened.

We have no clue what calls were made beforehand and if any were to Leanna

It is likely that LE told Leanna when interviewing Ross that he had admitted searches on work computer. She may have worried that he had done the same on home devices and therefore tried to mitigate his admission with one of her own.

I think it more likely that Leanna herself made those searches at home but am open to the possiblity that she is throwing herself under the bus like a good and subservience wife for her leader of the family in observance of very tightly help personal [modsnip] believes.


To me her searching and him searching is twice as damning as him doing all the searches. JMO

I don't think that they would tell her that. I think they kept it close to the vest in the beginning.

I think that she admitted to searching because she did.
It is not subservient to admit to murder for someone else. It is stupid.

[modsnip]

 

[JeannaT]

He didn't have to say 'take the fall'.. he could have said I told them I searched for x,y,z.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. This is MO. We'll see what info the next weeks bring.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, either. Your thoughts are yours.

He hasn't had a private conversation with her since he discovered Cooper in the back seat of the car.

That much I know.

 

[Sincerely]

linda7NJ I quoted yours as it was attached to another...so I was agreeing with yours while replying to the other...oops.


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[Karmady]

I don't know. If the smell was HORRIBLE - that's one thing. I'm very curious to hear what others said about the odor at the scene - I'm sure the car was taken to forensics and gone over. If I open the car up and a FOUL odor whooshes out at me, I would search it before getting in.

If I got in and the car smelled funky, and as I drove more it smelled funkier, I think I'd first imagine some awful thing was in the atmosphere. I'd turn the AC to "recirc" and maybe roll down a window to see if the smell was coming from outside.

I guess the basis of this is that I don't believe a baby would smell all THAT foul after such a short period. A cop saying it "stunk to high heaven" might indicate he could detect an odor he knew - human decomposition - in that car. It may not turn out that the smell was so awful as the media says.

Coroners wouldn't be able to do their jobs if little babies like that stunk to high heaven after 4 hours, IMHO.

Jeanna, did you see swampmama's first post about the "choking" and the smell? The smell has been something I've been wondering really hard about and she has a possible explanation. Basically, she said the movement of the vehicle could have caused the release of gas that not only could have made a noise but also fouled the air extremely. That hadn't even occurred to me, but could explain a lot. jmo