I wonder if the gate is always 100% of the time locked. Not sure where the ranger (?) or other county (?) personnel who have to lock/unlock it are located but it seems like an out of the way drive to get there so maybe now and then if some one is sick or busy it is not done?
GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025
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Do we know if the gate includes the parking lot though? Could they have parked and then encountered the gate?
not to be picky but it is Bell Mountain, not Ball Mountain- both exist but they are differentMapping from the Shell where they were seen on camera Friday night around 10:30pm to Ball Mountain.
1 hour 48 minutes using the fastest route right now (which is currently the middle of the night so probably similar light/no traffic conditions, imo).
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1 hr 48 min (88.2 mi) via I-985 N
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I am so glad you pointed this out. I think I had seen it both ways in some very early reporting & I think I've gotten confused. Thank you.
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Earlier in the thread, a couple of people posted videos of people who visited Bell Mountain & doing the drive up the mountain. I watched the one where there was a female passenger talking/recording as they went up & she was scared (of the steepness/maybe of heights?). Lower down is where I saw gates so I am assuming that's where the gates are that have been referenced. Jmo.
This is the part I am unsure of. Where the car was found. I keep seeing "Their car was found parked at the mountain, according to the family’s interview." but that doesn't specify WHERE. Having been to many a place with similar gates and a parking area outside of the gate and one inside the gate, it really matters to me which one it is. WHY?
If the car is in the upper lot, the most likely thing is that the car arrived well after 8 am. If they were waiting for the gate to be opened, someone would have noticed.
OR someone didn't do their job and lock the gate. Who is going to admit to that?
If it's not in the upper lot, then getting in the car at 10:30 and taking it to a scary windy road mountain in the middle of the night is more possible. I doubt it, but who knows?
If car is in upper lot, they entered after 8 am, not seen by anyone opening gate (that we are aware of). Whoever opened the gate didn't see them on that narrow road? No one else arrived around that time? Or within the time it would take for them to park the car, climb the hill, situate themselves, one to shoot the other, then shoot himself? I'm saying if they were in a hurry 15 minutes, but more likely a half hour to 45 minutes. So arrive around 8:30, deceased at 9 am is the tightest schedule I can really make work in my mind. That's a tight schedule if you don't want anyone to find or stop you and how could you be sure someone would not arrive since it was Saturday?
Which sends me to they could have walked in. But would you try to scale that bit of rubble trail in the dark? Maybe in the dawn light, well before 8am you might. Maybe if someone walked them in and shot them. But I'd be more inclined to think M/S if the car were outside of the gate.
If the car was not in the upper lot, then the timing completely changes to anytime during the night or morning. This is also true if the gate was never locked that night.
Which then leads me to if the boys went somewhere that night and something happened to them since it appears no one knows if they ever came home that night. Or who they were visiting in Boston, or even if one or both were going.
Yeah, this one just doesn't have enough pieces. IMO.
they are not that far away from each other....
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Mapping from the Shell where they were seen on camera Friday night around 10:30pm to Ball Mountain.
1 hour 48 minutes using the fastest route right now (which is currently the middle of the night so probably similar light/no traffic conditions, imo).
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Shell to Ball Mountain
Quoting my earlier post because I need to CORRECT it. (I mistakenly entered Ball Mountain but it should be Bell Mountain.) Corrected map below:
Almost the same drive time.
Shell to Bell Mountain
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Video to see the drive to the top of Bell Mountain. Not only is it steep & winding, most of it is wide enough for one car only so when meeting someone coming up/down, one driver has to scoot as much to the side as possible & wait.
Gates seen at minute 6:27 (note this is one car width, there is a slight pull-off area to the left of this screen shot but only a couple of cars could park there to wait for the gate to open, imo) --
First parking area at minute 8:53 --
Road leading to the second parking area is at minute 9:35. It does look like there is a second set of gates there (between parking lot one & parking lot two).
Entering parking lot two at minute 10:22 --
You can see the observation area here. I believe that it was said someone who was hiking/from the observation area found Q & N.
Gates seen at minute 6:27 (note this is one car width, there is a slight pull-off area to the left of this screen shot but only a couple of cars could park there to wait for the gate to open, imo) --
First parking area at minute 8:53 --
Road leading to the second parking area is at minute 9:35. It does look like there is a second set of gates there (between parking lot one & parking lot two).
Entering parking lot two at minute 10:22 --
You can see the observation area here. I believe that it was said someone who was hiking/from the observation area found Q & N.
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Ive inserted pieces from the final call interview with the family that @Knox posted earlier.
I have read that the car was inside the gates, I believe its on the Facebook page of that reporter, I'll have to go get it and repost it, waa posted upthread
makes you wonder if anyone locked the gate, and how much ( if any) trouble would they be in b/c it wasnt locked and this happened? Is that partly why its so secretive? if the sherrifs dept is responsible for locking it, it would be whoever was on duty that night, The exception would be if another incident took priority over locking the gate.
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Imagine doing that drive at night, when it pitch black outside and what looks like a cliff (to me) on one side, No thank you,
I just cant imagine those boys would go up there alone, 2 young men , inexperienced drivers and an unreliable car, Thats a tough sell.
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I agree. All along, my gut has said that Q&N did not choose to go there on their own. MOO.
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I think we may be putting too much stock in this gate being regularly locked and on time.
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Everytime I read family details I get more confused. I think the confusion is the extended family seem to be doing most of the interviews and they are repeating 2nd hand information that they heard. I wish LE would provide a more substantial update.
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Lawrenceville to Hartsfield is about an hour drive, I have no idea how expensive an Uber ride would be but my guess is not cheap.
What time did they schedule the uber? For a 7am flight, I’d want to arrive by 0530 so would schedule an 0430 uber.
Why were they late?
Did they schedule the ride too late?
Did they hit traffic (unlikely unless there was construction or an accident)?
And why double the cost of both going to the airport and one needing a ride back to the house?
Makes me wonder was this an official uber, or was it just someone giving them a ride?
And we haven’t heard about jobs, where was all this money for flights/ubers coming from?
What time did they schedule the uber? For a 7am flight, I’d want to arrive by 0530 so would schedule an 0430 uber.
Why were they late?
Did they schedule the ride too late?
Did they hit traffic (unlikely unless there was construction or an accident)?
And why double the cost of both going to the airport and one needing a ride back to the house?
Makes me wonder was this an official uber, or was it just someone giving them a ride?
And we haven’t heard about jobs, where was all this money for flights/ubers coming from?
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It is a tough sell. But we don't know their personalities. Watching that video, my first thought was that NO WAY would Atlanta boys drive that road. Especially not in the dark. Nearly 40 years ago when I lived in the area, the difference in lighting between Atlanta and the mountainous areas was incredible. It's been years since I've been in Atlanta-Lawrenceville at night, but I'll bet it's not dark. The road to Bell Mountain is going to be DARK, very dark. In addition to narrow and twisty.
If these were young men whose only driving experience was in the Atlanta-Lawrenceville area -- well, we saw the possibility for drivers to take the wrong road. I doubt they could have navigated it in the dark. Maybe not even in daylight.
On the other hand -- we live in the mountains. Young men of my generation delighted in driving curvy roads in the snow -- and at night. Even a child with both backgrounds delighted in coming through the mountains, at night, in the snow. His wife was terrified. He loved the drive.
So, without knowing their personalities and without more information, I don't see how we can guess. However, if they really were inexperienced drivers and drove only in the area around their homes? Then NO WAY they drove there.
Let's say, just perhaps, they may have been sort of daredevils? Many young people are. They were up and out, got snacks, decided to do a lark. Perhaps, that was one of their "things" that no once else knew about? Had plenty of time before they had to leave for the airport. They took a gun because you never knew who/what you might run into? I wonder if the gun may have been another "lark"? Then, perhaps not experienced with firearms (we don't know, do we?), walking along, gun in hand, just in case . . . What if the one following tripped and the first shooting was accidental? Then utterly distraught, the other twin did shoot himself? Instead of murder-suicide, wonder if it was accident-suicide? (For this scenario to fit, then the gate would have almost certainly have been left unlocked. In my home area, I believe such gates often are, being closed only during the worst weather as so many kids do love going up on the mountains for the fun of it and then have to be rescued.)
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Closer than seen eating the snacks at 10:30 PM, bodies discovered at 11:00 AM? I wonder what the span of a twelve hour period looks like, forensically speaking?
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100% agree, but even the details revealed by the parents are scant. Many have pointed out that none of the family may know certain things about their lives. They were still teens, that’s very normal.
The parents (step mom) are the only ones saying only Naazir was traveling to Boston. The other family group is still indicating both were catching flights.
Neither had ever mentioned the Uber ride ro the airport until this week. Being interviewed in front of the gas station where we learned the twins were last seen at 10:30 PM, was also new information. Was Quaadir in the Uber too, riding along?
Early on Cody Alcorn talked about the last seen time given by the step mom. There was an issue/confusion with time conversion. I did screenshot that information back in the beginning and posted it. Can someone find that and bring it forward?
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is it this post?
According to TOS I think I can post this, Cody is a reporter for 11Alive in Atlanta. He is covering this story, the post is from his Facebook page linked above.
News story from 11Alive.
or this one?
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