GA - Twin brothers miss flight to Boston, found dead 24 hours later in Georgia mountains, 14 Mar 2025

  • #581
I'm sorry there is no way they went up that mountain in the dark to end their lives. and if they arrived there in the morning then where were they all night? were beds slept in? when did they take Ubers and when did they take a car? I'm so confused. Unless they can find me a motive there is no way this is murder /suicide.

I can see a betrayal situation where one doesn't know the other is going to kill him...and if so , if this happened then I want to know why...seems highly unlikely with two smart and studious kids, who get along like Mutt and Jeff..and are planning lives together in business ventures and have zero history of violence or mental health issues. mOO
 
  • #582
Ive inserted pieces from the final call interview with the family that @Knox posted earlier.

I have read that the car was inside the gates, I believe its on the Facebook page of that reporter, I'll have to go get it and repost it, waa posted upthread

makes you wonder if anyone locked the gate, and how much ( if any) trouble would they be in b/c it wasnt locked and this happened? Is that partly why its so secretive? if the sherrifs dept is responsible for locking it, it would be whoever was on duty that night, The exception would be if another incident took priority over locking the gate.


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The problem is the Final Call interview does not line up with other reports. Which always brings me back to why? Why Uber on Friday ( and get there too late)if you have a brother to drive you?
 
  • #583
I think we may be putting too much stock in this gate being regularly locked and on time.
I totally agree. But how would the twins know this? It is supposed to be locked dusk to 8 am. A local might know its not, someone who went frequently might.
 
  • #584
The problem is the Final Call interview does not line up with other reports. Which always brings me back to why? Why Uber on Friday ( and get there too late)if you have a brother to drive you?
The quote about the Uber says the driver didn’t get him to the airport in time to make his flight. It didn’t necessarily sound like the driver was late picking him up. There could have been traffic, an accident, could have been a slow driver, etc. He could have also underestimated the time it takes to go through ATL airport.

The twin brother (if we’re going with the report that only one of them was flying) could have been working that morning or had class. It’s over an hour drive as well. For a 7am flight, that’s pretty firmly in Uber territory for me personally :) MOO
 
  • #585
The quote about the Uber says the driver didn’t get him to the airport in time to make his flight. It didn’t necessarily sound like the driver was late picking him up. There could have been traffic, an accident, could have been a slow driver, etc. He could have also underestimated the time it takes to go through ATL airport.

The twin brother (if we’re going with the report that only one of them was flying) could have been working that morning or had class. It’s over an hour drive as well. For a 7am flight, that’s pretty firmly in Uber territory for me personally :) MOO
Ah. See not in my family. We personally drive each other to the airport. Ubering if you have someone else to drive you is not done.

But the Final Call report said the March 7 flight was for 8:50, which is considerably later. Allowing for drop-off at say 7 am, it might interfere with work or class on return. But again, one brother flying or both. The aunts said both, Tiger Harris (uncle?) Said one. Who is correct?
 
  • #586
The quote about the Uber says the driver didn’t get him to the airport in time to make his flight. It didn’t necessarily sound like the driver was late picking him up. There could have been traffic, an accident, could have been a slow driver, etc. He could have also underestimated the time it takes to go through ATL airport.

The twin brother (if we’re going with the report that only one of them was flying) could have been working that morning or had class. It’s over an hour drive as well. For a 7am flight, that’s pretty firmly in Uber territory for me personally :) MOO
The uber driver says he did not get them to the airport on time . Both of them uber.
supporting this is the ticket lady saying she helped them rebook the ticket. So did the uber wait around while they booked the ticket in person at the airport or is there another uber driver?
 
  • #587
I've been to Helen Georgia. I've also stayed at Top of Georgia Airstream Park just north of there on 75, the Unicoi Turnpike. From Top of Georgia Airstream park north is a windy, lonely, mountain road. I towed our trailer up through there. There's nothing up through there for a couple miles, literally, mountains, trees, and a windy road. I don't know if this is the route taken by whoever, but you go on up there and pass Towns County High School, then a bit further, and on the right is Shake Rag Road.

There ain't a thing back Shake Rag Road but some residential homes, then that leads up to Bell Mountain, another remote, windy road. Every road off of Shake Rag is a dead end, most of 'em are driveways. You'd have to A. know where you were going, and B. either been there before or have it mapped on gps to find your way to the top of Bell Mt.

There's a gas station at the corner of Shake Rag and 75, and that has a camera on the corner of the building, as per google street view, whether said camera was/is there and/or working is anybody's guess.

These two young men were either on a road trip for fun, and ran in to trouble, were led up there by somebody else who had evil intent, or indeed, one or both of 'em had a plan to do self harm and wanted it to be in a remote place.
 
  • #588
A lot of speculation with very little info. About all we know is Friday morning March 7th one or both boys took an Uber to the Atlanta IA to board a flight to Boston. A late arrival caused a missed flight. They or one was able to obtain a boarding pass for the next morning Saturday the 8th. What they did or who they interacted with on Friday, Friday night, and Saturday morning is a complete unknown. A 10:30 PM video of the brothers eating snacks at a convenience store is the only thing that appears to be confirmed. The store was about 9 miles from the home of their father and step mother. This is also considered their permanent residence. The step mother has stated that she at least saw and probably communicated with the boys Friday evening. I am not sure if their father, whom is recovering from a stroke, ever saw the boys on Friday. At 11:00 AM on Saturday the 8th their bodies and a gun were recovered on top of Bell Mountain Park. Their car has been reported parked in the upper lot that is supposed to be closed from dark till 8 AM.
The boys personal items were left in their car. It would have taken the boys approximately 2 hours to travel from their home area to Bell Mountain Park. I understand why the family is very upset about the lack of information surrounding their deaths. It does seem to be completely out of the reported character, known routines, and plans of these young twin brothers.
 
  • #589
I totally agree. But how would the twins know this? It is supposed to be locked dusk to 8 am. A local might know its not, someone who went frequently might.
Yes, exactly. I’m not sure anyone knew it. It just happened. They would have parked or been forced to park outside the gates if locked. But I don’t think we can make assumptions about the timeline based on the supposed closing and opening of the gate, because I’m just not convinced it’s the sort of thing that would be reliable, even though the internet says it has opening and closing times. I think a local would be more likely to know this, but suppose it could all just be chance.

Personally, having watched that video, I don’t think they went up there purely of their own volition. But I can see a situation where they were ordered there or lured and they did as they were told, not realising what they were walking into.

Here’s a scenario, a totally fictitious one that I’ve just made up for illustrative purposes. Let’s say the Boston trip was being made because someone else was making them do it. The first flight was missed, not because the uber was late, but because they got cold feet. This caused a lot of issues for whoever was making them make the trip to begin with. They re-booked hoping they could do it the next day. This angered someone and they were summoned to a remote location. They went because they felt they had to go, not expecting the outcome would be this. Once they come to the scary mountain road at night, it felt too late to back out or maybe someone was following them. All just completely MOO.

I live in a rural area and I hike lots and go up big hills like that in very remote areas. That video gave me the heebie-jeebies frankly. I can’t imagine how a city kid would feel out there.
 
  • #590
The problem is the Final Call interview does not line up with other reports. Which always brings me back to why? Why Uber on Friday ( and get there too late)if you have a brother to drive you?
Maybe Quaadir had school on Friday or had to work. That part doesn’t bother me. The twins attended different schools, it’s not as if they didn’t have separate interests or obligations.

The difference in what is being stated by the family groups does confuse me though. I would understand those differences if we were still in week 1 or 2 of the investigation. But we’re approaching the two month mark. The basic facts which weren’t clear initially, should be by now.

The one group (Aunts) is very vocal about the belief this is not a M/S. Trying to recall if step-mom has directly stated that or not in either of her media interviews?
 
  • #591
Samira and Sabria Brawner, aunts of the twins, told FOX 5 that investigators with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation showed the boys’ mother surveillance footage from a Shell gas station on Hurricane Shoals Road in Lawrenceville. The video, recorded around 10 p.m. on March 7—the night before their bodies were discovered—showed the twins entering and exiting the store, eating snacks and drinking water. According to family members, the teens appeared calm and nothing seemed unusual.


I’m convinced the Aunts are from the maternal side of the family, JMO. The GBI is not speaking to them directly about the investigation, but are apparently speaking to the parents (Mother, Father, Step Mom), MOO. In all media interviews the step mom who lived in the home has always been described as such.

Interesting to note, in this interview Aunts are still saying both Naazir and Quaadir were flying to Boston. Wouldn’t it be nice if a reporter could clarify that for us? Someone should as Cody Alcorn that question.
 
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I did note something else. Qaadir wore his watch on his right wrist. This often indicates left handed. He also holds his diploma in his left hand where Naazir holds his in his right hand in the graduation pictures.
 
  • #595
This is very sad story indeed. My condolences to the family and friends of Nazir and Qaadir Lewis.

If this tragedy is the result of a murder-suicide I wonder if the Boston trip was also a ruse so that the brothers could further conceal their plans or intentions from their family members? In other words, did their travel include round-trip tickets or was there a plan to come back? Were they really meeting friends because if not, perhaps they intended to travel to Boston as one last trip or gift to give to themselves that also offered distance from family members, a plausible excuse for why no one could get in touch with them and a new place or city they could explore before they ultimately continue to carry on with their plans to commit suicide or take their own lives?

Along those lines though perhaps Bell Mountain had been a backup option? Often, there had been cases in the past where people take their own lives in areas that are considered beautiful or panoramic. Perhaps one or both boys did research online and chose the mountain and the summit’s with its picturesque vantage point for this very reason, whereas before maybe Boston was chosen for some special meaning it had to them?

Or maybe the trip to the New England city could have even been used as a ruse to throw their family off about where they really were and buy themselves time or avoidance of having their plans disturbed as they travel to Bell Mountains area?

Afterall, as the family had said, the twins didn’t hike, weren’t familiar with that mountainous region at all and there is a history of racial violence in that area. Not wanting to make their parents and siblings worried, draw attention to themselves or risk their true intentions being uncovered, Naazir and Qaadir packed their bags and booked tickets in advance. At that point the money spent and lost would have mattered little to them if they were sadly already committed to unaliving themselves.

Sadly, the information about the gun being found near the bodies, Nasir and Qaadir tragically being found close or recent to the time of their deaths, the fact they didn’t wake up and say bye to their parents before “departing again for the airport”, their car being found with their luggage and phones in them gives me the impression for now that this was something they possibly planned and organized in advance but this just my opinion.

It is tragic all around, R.I.P. to both of them and I do think it is possible that in the case only one twin was struggling with thoughts of suicide and began making a plan, there is a chance or risks of the other twin making a suicide pact with him as his twin did not think he could bare the grief or live a life without the other. I think of this in particular due to the fact they are young, had really strong bond and seemed to rely on each other more than anyone as pillars of support and comfort and in the case if they became more withdrawn, struggled with any increasing emotional distress, masked or numbed their emotions instead of expressing them or were in need of support or care but weren’t sure how to ask, who to ask and how and where to get access.

MOO though
 
  • #596
Closer than seen eating the snacks at 10:30 PM, bodies discovered at 11:00 AM? I wonder what the span of a twelve hour period looks like, forensically speaking?
I can shed a bit of light on this due to what I study.

Decomp sets in pretty quickly, there is a fantastic video on YouTube of a pig decomposing, which helps visualise things - not for the squeamish, but helpful for that visualisation of what actually happens.

Depending on the temperature of the area where they were found will depend on how fast Algor
Mortis
sets in (the body cooling down). Given that it wasn't long before they were found, I doubt putrifaction had set in as that takes approx 2-6 days to get going.

Autolysis begins immediately after death, and this process involves the self-digestion of tissues (organs, etc), and the body becomes somewhat acidic.

Rigor Mortis (body stiffening) begins approximately 1-2 hours after death and usually fully develops within 6-12 hours.

Livor mortis begins shortly after death, usually becoming evident about half an hour after death - this is where blood settles due to gravity - helpful if it is ever queried about a body being moved because the blood will pool at the lowest point which is usually an area of the body that is in contact with something like the floor, a bed or seat and after 8-12 hours this becomes fixed.
They would go through Pallor Mortis due to the lack of blood circulation, and their skin would become paler.

For Time of Death temp dependent:
If the area was warm and they were flaccid, then TOD would be under 3 hours.
If the area was warm and both stiff, TOD would have been approximately 3-8 hours.
If it was cold and they were stiff, TOD could have been 8-36 hours.
If it was cold and they were flaccid, TOD would be over 36 hours.

They would be able to strengthen their estimation of TOD using entomology - bugs.
You're looking at there potentially being Calliphorid or Sarcophagidae around them within the first day, preparing to lay eggs - it would depend on the temperature, access and location.

It would take longer for anything like Lucila Sericata, Musca Domestica or various beetles to join in.

TOD can be affected by different variables - temperature, the habitat, precipitation, season, clothing worn, drugs in the system etc.
 
  • #597
I can shed a bit of light on this due to what I study.

Decomp sets in pretty quickly, there is a fantastic video on YouTube of a pig decomposing, which helps visualise things - not for the squeamish, but helpful for that visualisation of what actually happens.

Depending on the temperature of the area where they were found will depend on how fast Algor
Mortis
sets in (the body cooling down). Given that it wasn't long before they were found, I doubt putrifaction had set in as that takes approx 2-6 days to get going.

Autolysis begins immediately after death, and this process involves the self-digestion of tissues (organs, etc), and the body becomes somewhat acidic.

Rigor Mortis (body stiffening) begins approximately 1-2 hours after death and usually fully develops within 6-12 hours.

Livor mortis begins shortly after death, usually becoming evident about half an hour after death - this is where blood settles due to gravity - helpful if it is ever queried about a body being moved because the blood will pool at the lowest point which is usually an area of the body that is in contact with something like the floor, a bed or seat and after 8-12 hours this becomes fixed.
They would go through Pallor Mortis due to the lack of blood circulation, and their skin would become paler.

For Time of Death temp dependent:
If the area was warm and they were flaccid, then TOD would be under 3 hours.
If the area was warm and both stiff, TOD would have been approximately 3-8 hours.
If it was cold and they were stiff, TOD could have been 8-36 hours.
If it was cold and they were flaccid, TOD would be over 36 hours.

They would be able to strengthen their estimation of TOD using entomology - bugs.
You're looking at there potentially being Calliphorid or Sarcophagidae around them within the first day, preparing to lay eggs - it would depend on the temperature, access and location.

It would take longer for anything like Lucila Sericata, Musca Domestica or various beetles to join in.

TOD can be affected by different variables - temperature, the habitat, precipitation, season, clothing worn, drugs in the system etc.
Thank you, great information. But what about stomach contents?
 
  • #598
Thank you, great information. But what about stomach contents?
As far as I know if their stomach is empty it can mean it has been approximately 4 to 6 hours since they ate.
If their small intestines are empty it'd be likely that TOD was 12 hours after they last ate.

I'd expect these two to of had some remnants of food left within their stomachs if they stopped on the way up there. It may be more mushy gunk rather than identifiable food though.
 
  • #599
As far as I know if their stomach is empty it can mean it has been approximately 4 to 6 hours since they ate.
If their small intestines are empty it'd be likely that TOD was 12 hours after they last ate.

I'd expect these two to of had some remnants of food left within their stomachs if they stopped on the way up there. It may be more mushy gunk rather than identifiable food though.
Thank you, this information is very helpful. Please stick around :)
 
  • #600
It seems the more I try and read about this tragedy, the more questions I have!
 

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