Gas Cans discovered by George Key date - June 24, 2008 ***REVISITED ***

[LambChop]

*snip*

FWIW...

• Dunno how often Casey would have ever gotten into the shed, hence, whether or not she knew, or cared, where the key was kept...coulda been a long forgotten detail, or perhaps...
• IIRC, Casey's story to the 'rents was that she was outta town...so, IF she took the cans and they appeared stolen it would be one less thing she'd hafta explain (e.g. that she came back into town for something 6/23). Recall that Casey showing up on 6/24 to be discovered by George, was what created the need for ZFG's insurance papers to be retrieved .

Any choice that required almost zero advance thought/effort on Casey's part would be a good candidate for explaining her action(s), IMHO.

This is what I was thinking. KC's telling CA she's in Tampa helping an injured friend. GA should have confronted her right there and then and said if you were working in Tampa wouldn't the company be paying for your gas? They just never questioned her about anything that did not make sense.

 

[BondJamesBond]

This is what I was thinking. KC's telling CA she's in Tampa helping an injured friend. GA should have confronted her right there and then and said if you were working in Tampa wouldn't the company be paying for your gas? They just never questioned her about anything that did not make sense.

*bbm*

Driving off-topic & splitting hairs, however, re: bold. IMHO, they prolly did question her about things, which lead to (a) a chase down the rabbit hole that eventually got exhausting and they gave up, or (b) it exploded in a shouting match and that got exhausting and they gave up. Both avenues achieve the same end. Exhaust anyone that attempts to hold you accountable.

ETA: Recall Tony and others commented on how much Casey could talk & talk. Thats just another avenue for the same behavior, IMHO.

Topic ramp up ahead.

 

[beach]

I think it may have been the breaking of the lock and getting into the shed that upset GA. It's an invasion of your property and not as if the can were sitting out on the front lawn over night and someone took it. Clearly it appeared to him it was a crime. And I'm not that sure GA suspected KC because in one of GA's depos he clearly states the key to the shed was kept in the garage. Why would KC have TL break the lock when she knew where the key was???? Could it be she did not want GA to know that she was the one with the cans? jmo

BBM

I must be losing my mind because I know LambChop knows these case details, but I swear I thought I recalled that somewhere one of them (GA or CA) stated they hid the keys and no one knew except the two of them where the keys were kept.:waitasec: Did I dream that?

 

[Snaz]

BBM

I must be losing my mind because I know LambChop knows these case details, but I swear I thought I recalled that somewhere one of them (GA or CA) stated they hid the keys and no one knew except the two of them where the keys were kept.:waitasec: Did I dream that?

I believe George and Cindy said they were the only ones who knew where they hid the key to the new replacement lock. IIRC.........

 

[treeseeker]

IMO the truth was probably that George was tired of supplying KC's gas 2-5 gallons at a time, so he locked up the cans. It isn't safe to store gas in an enclosed area, George would know that, and IMO it wouldn't be his first choice.

 

[beach]

I believe George and Cindy said they were the only ones who knew where they hid the key to the new replacement lock. IIRC.........

Ahhh, yes! Thanks for the dose of common sense, Snaz! lol

 

[countzero]

IMO the truth was probably that George was tired of supplying KC's gas 2-5 gallons at a time, so he locked up the cans. It isn't safe to store gas in an enclosed area, George would know that, and IMO it wouldn't be his first choice.

Let us not forget, GA doesn't use logic or common sense in his actions or deeds. He and CA went out of their way to keep ICA happy, so why would GA all of sudden in June start to lock the gas cans away from ICA? He knew it would push ICAs buttons and certainly keep her away even more. And he called LE without CAs knowledge I believe.

Unless that was his objective ... and like others have said, who calls LE to report a shed broken into and gas cans removed, yet the fence gate was locked? A poorly conceived CYA story if you ask me.

 

[LambChop]

Let us not forget, GA doesn't use logic or common sense in his actions or deeds. He and CA went out of their way to keep ICA happy, so why would GA all of sudden in June start to lock the gas cans away from ICA? He knew it would push ICAs buttons and certainly keep her away even more. And he called LE without CAs knowledge I believe.

Unless that was his objective ... and like others have said, who calls LE to report a shed broken into and gas cans removed, yet the fence gate was locked? A poorly conceived CYA story if you ask me.

I did not know the gate was locked. Not good detective work on GA's part if he could not have figured out who took the cans. I think I would be more worried about someone coming through the house to get the cans. Plus, you're right, who would just steal gas cans from a shed when there must have been other valuable tools or equipment in there???? jmo

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I did not know the gate was locked. Not good detective work on GA's part if he could not have figured out who took the cans. I think I would be more worried about someone coming through the house to get the cans. Plus, you're right, who would just steal gas cans from a shed when there must have been other valuable tools or equipment in there???? jmo

LambChop, to my way of thinking George must have known it was Casey. Didn't she have a past history of running out of gas? Why would they hide the key if there was no history of things being taken from the shed? He must have thought it was Casey ~ but I'm just not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish by filing a police report. And I wonder, too, if it was reported with or without Cindy's knowledge/approval.

 

[LambChop]

LambChop, to my way of thinking George must have known it was Casey. Didn't she have a past history of running out of gas? Why would they hide the key if there was no history of things being taken from the shed? He must have thought it was Casey ~ but I'm just not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish by filing a police report. And I wonder, too, if it was reported with or without Cindy's knowledge/approval.

I don't know because he never told police it could have been my daughter as she has a history to taking them without permission. But he did not state that, so not sure what he was thinking???? jmo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh they so knew it was Casey......the police report was to up the drama so they could use the fact they'd got the police involved against her later when they confronted her about it. IMO.

 

[Snaz]

LambChop, to my way of thinking George must have known it was Casey. Didn't she have a past history of running out of gas? Why would they hide the key if there was no history of things being taken from the shed? He must have thought it was Casey ~ but I'm just not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish by filing a police report. And I wonder, too, if it was reported with or without Cindy's knowledge/approval.

BBM

The key was not hidden at that point. George said in his state depo (I think that's where he said it) that he, his wife, his daughter and his son all knew where the key was. It was only after he replaced the broken lock that only he and Cindy knew where the key was.

 

[momtective]

I think the reason he filed the police report was because he and CA were tired of ICA's BS. She had Caylee, wouldn't bring her home or let them see or talk to her. They knew she had stolen that check from her Grandmother and they were just sick of it. Just like when CA called the police after she found ICA @ TL's, the first call she made was to have KC arrested for stealing the check and the car.
I think they wanted her arrested so they could finally get custody of Caylee. jmo

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

BBM

The key was not hidden at that point. George said in his state depo (I think that's where he said it) that he, his wife, his daughter and his son all knew where the key was. It was only after he replaced the broken lock that only he and Cindy knew where the key was.

Ah ha; I misunderstood. But then if Casey knew where the key was why in the world did she ask Tony to break the lock instead of just unlocking it with the key?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I think the reason he filed the police report was because he and CA were tired of ICA's BS. She had Caylee, wouldn't bring her home or let them see or talk to her. They knew she had stolen that check from her Grandmother and they were just sick of it. Just like when CA called the police after she found ICA @ TL's, the first call she made was to have KC arrested for stealing the check and the car.
I think they wanted her arrested so they could finally get custody of Caylee. jmo

If this were the motivation then they could have filed a report that Casey had stolen their car ~ not just two gas cans. She was already gone with the baby and the car at this point, right?

I am not questioning your logic, momtective, but George's. It just makes no sense. Such a big deal at the onset about the missing cans then an even bigger deal that he wasn't the one to put that tape on the gas can. Is it possible that he already knew something early on was waaaaay bad connected to the gas cans when he decided to report them as being stolen? Was he already trying to deflect blame and involvement at this early point?

 

[momtective]

If this were the motivation then they could have filed a report that Casey had stolen their car ~ not just two gas cans. She was already gone with the baby and the car at this point, right?

I am not questioning your logic, momtective, but George's. It just makes no sense. Such a big deal at the onset about the missing cans then an even bigger deal that he wasn't the one to put that tape on the gas can. Is it possible that he already knew something early on was waaaaay bad connected to the gas cans when he decided to report them as being stolen? Was he already trying to deflect blame and involvement at this early point?

Yes, I do think he knew something was going on, I think he and CA both knew. I don't know if they knew Caylee was dead but I feel like they knew something was waaayyy wrong and they were finally taking action against ICA to try and get custody of Caylee.
The tape issue and how GA makes such a big deal about it does raise the question why? Imo at that time, It really should not have been that big of a deal. I mean really...your granddaughter is dead and your concerned with a piece of tape on a gas can and making sure everyone is convinced, you didn't put it there...shouldn't have been such a big deal unless you know something about some duct tape...kwim. I do see GA distancing himself from the tape and it does make one go :waitasec:
Also I honestly don't know how he could have been within 30 feet of the trunk of that car and not smelled decomp; whether Caylee's body was still in the trunk or had already been removed, fact is, that trunk would have reeked and he would have smelled it. Again jmo

 

[aafromaa]

Ok - I don't have a link at my fingertips - nor can I even say whether it was a statement to LE or a TV interview or anything specific - but... I seem to recall that GA said the reason that he reported the stolen gas cans was because someone else in the neighborhood had mentioned stolen gas and they thought LE should have the info about his gas cans just incase they were related. Does anyone else recall that?

I think GA did suspect KC from the minute he discovered the gas cans missing but since she had never broken the lock off when she had used his gas before, he thought there was a slim chance that it might not have been her and he should report it since someone else in the neighborhood had some gas stolen too. I think that's why he said something about feeling like an idiot for reporting it when KC gave him back the cans - because he really knew all along that she did it and he didn't stick with his 1st instinct.

I think he's felt that way about a lot of things where KC is concerned since June 2008 and even long before Caylee's death too.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Yes, I do think he knew something was going on, I think he and CA both knew. I don't know if they knew Caylee was dead but I feel like they knew something was waaayyy wrong and they were finally taking action against ICA to try and get custody of Caylee.
The tape issue and how GA makes such a big deal about it does raise the question why? Imo at that time, It really should not have been that big of a deal. I mean really...your granddaughter is dead and your concerned with a piece of tape on a gas can and making sure everyone is convinced, you didn't put it there...shouldn't have been such a big deal unless you know something about some duct tape...kwim. I do see GA distancing himself from the tape and it does make one go :waitasec:
Also I honestly don't know how he could have been within 30 feet of the trunk of that car and not smelled decomp; whether Caylee's body was still in the trunk or had already been removed, fact is, that trunk would have reeked and he would have smelled it. Again jmo

But saying that Casey stole their car (like Cindy finally resorted to on the 911 call) would have had more impact on their getting closer to gaining custody of Caylee than saying that Casey had only taken their gas cans. If you're trying to build a case against someone for custody of their child then stealing a car would hold a lot more weight than stealing gas cans and gas.

Is there any way that George already knew that the tape on the gas cans was a connection to Caylee's murder as early as when he reported the gas cans stolen? No, otherwise I guess he would have just taken the tape off. I dunno, the whole thing just does not fit into any logical explanation that I can think of ~

The entire story about when he got the cans back from Casey does not sit right either. Because remember that entire diatribe about the tire wedge thingy that he said he used as an excuse to get access into the trunk? Well, he said it was bolted down and that's why he had to get it instead of Casey? Remember? Now after all of the photos of the trunk that we've examined infinitum and in magnification ~ did you ever see any hole that such a thingy would have been bolted down into? Shouldn't we have been able to see that?

Nothing in his stories fits together at all. Not with physical facts nor with logic. I just wish I could figure out if he is trying to protect just Casey or if he's protecting any involvement he might have had (even if only after the fact) as well. . . and how early on that he started his deceit.

 

[aafromaa]

Expecting Unicorns,

I thought the "bolted down" referred to the whole spare tire assembly thingy (highly technical term - I know) and that the wedge was supposed to be in with the spare tire???

 

[LolaMoon08]

If this were the motivation then they could have filed a report that Casey had stolen their car ~ not just two gas cans. She was already gone with the baby and the car at this point, right?

I am not questioning your logic, momtective, but George's. It just makes no sense. Such a big deal at the onset about the missing cans then an even bigger deal that he wasn't the one to put that tape on the gas can. Is it possible that he already knew something early on was waaaaay bad connected to the gas cans when he decided to report them as being stolen? Was he already trying to deflect blame and involvement at this early point?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I was just thinking about this same exact thing. I do believe that George knew that Casey took the gas cans... why he reported them stolen and not, like you said, the car... money... credit cards etc... makes no sense at all.

I don't know what George knew on the 24th... I think he knew that something was wrong and I mean really wrong.

I don't believe George's story of Casey and Caylee leaving the house on the 16th like it was a normal day. I do believe George saw them leave... just with Casey dragging Caylee out of the house making sure George knew just how serious she was that they, especially Cindy, would never see Caylee again. I can see George just sitting back and taking the role he had become accustomed to... he'd let Cindy handle Casey.

I'm wondering if George's first thought about the gas cans was that Casey was trying to cover up a crime, maybe not as severe as murdering Caylee, but something that could be traced back to the Anthony home, and to George. They were his gas cans after all?

I have no idea! It just seems, like you said, that George, even on the 24th of June, was making sure those gas cans could not be in his possession in that first week or so of Caylee being "missing."