Gems from DOI:Paperback, Non-Charity Version

[Fleur Delacour]

I've seen this for years and years now...wil someone please tell me that the heck the color Purple has to do with death?

...I've always heard the color has been associated with royality and that is why it was put on Jesus, mocking the 'king" of the Jews.

 

[BrotherMoon]

Patsy's premonitions of death that fateful Christmas season: pages 253-254

"In a strange and unexpected way, I had unconsiciously woven death into the fabric of our Christmas celebration, and, of course, couldn't have imagined in my wildest nightmare how that 1996 Christmas season would end for us. I couldn't help but feel that there had been a premonition in my selecting purple ribbon for our Christmas tree...."

(Patsy then gets the My Twinn doll ready for the tree...another death premonition.)
"..I lifted the lid slowly. The doll lay silently in the long white box with her eyes closed. For a split second, I had a horrible feeling. The beautiful doll with golden hair looked like JonBenet lying in a coffin! I was so shocked that I caught my breath. I had to blink several times. It was a momentary, but horrible, feeling...."

----

Why didn't Patsy see the doll as 'sleeping' instead of 'dead' in a coffin? I suppose it's common for young girls to be buried in a white coffin as I think JonBenet was.

I find Patsy's statements odd and creepy.

These few paragraphs in DOI are Patsy's confession.

 

[BrotherMoon]

I've seen this for years and years now...wil someone please tell me that the heck the color Purple has to do with death?

"I had placed the meaning of Lent in the midst of our celebration of the nativity." PR, DOI

Patsy mixed Lent with Advent, Easter with Christmas, death with life, red with blue, JonBenet with Christ, Patsy with JonBenet.

Does it need to get any more clear?

IDENTITY CRISIS.

 

[Cherokee]

Patsy's premonitions of death that fateful Christmas season: pages 253-254

"In a strange and unexpected way, I had unconsciously woven death into the fabric of our Christmas celebration, and, of course, couldn't have imagined in my wildest nightmare how that 1996 Christmas season would end for us. I couldn't help but feel that there had been a premonition in my selecting purple ribbon for our Christmas tree...."

(Patsy then gets the My Twinn doll ready for the tree...another death premonition.)
"..I lifted the lid slowly. The doll lay silently in the long white box with her eyes closed. For a split second, I had a horrible feeling. The beautiful doll with golden hair looked like JonBenet lying in a coffin! I was so shocked that I caught my breath. I had to blink several times. It was a momentary, but horrible, feeling...."

Not only is this basically a confession from Patsy, it is her way of trying to rationalize to the world (and to herself) that JonBenet's death at Christmas 1996 was inevitable.

The passage about having "unconsciously woven death into the fabric of our Christmas celebration" is confessional on one level, and ludicrous on another.

Patsy is looking for absolution. "See? It was going to happen anyway. There were premonitions, there was purple fabric, there was a JonBenet doll in a coffin, there were omens of death."

Patsy wants us to think JonBenet's death was predicted, and therefore, inescapable. It HAD to happen. It was predestination.

So who does Patsy think was affecting her unconscious mind to weave purple fabric? Who sent her the "premonition" of JonBenet in a coffin? Was it Patsy's version of God? Did Patsy's God tell her through signs and wonders that JonBenet would die, that she MUST die?

If Patsy had woven purple into Christmas, and momentarily seen a doll as JonBenet in a coffin, and JonBenet HAD NOT died that Christmas ... would Patsy still see those same things as premonitions of JonBenet's death?

Of course not. That's why her omens of JonBenet's death are ludicrous. They are nothing more than Patsy's mind trying to grasp, and rationalize, her involvement in JonBenet's death. The fact she was willing in DOI to tell the world these "premonitions" shows how desperate Patsy is for everyone else to believe in her rationalization fantasy.

Patsy said, "In a strange and unexpected way, I had unconsciously woven death into the fabric of our Christmas celebration ..."

And that, my friends, says it all.


IMO

 

[why_nutt]

Patsy is looking for absolution. "See? It was going to happen anyway. There were premonitions, there was purple fabric, there was a JonBenet doll in a coffin, there were omens of death."

Patsy wants us to think JonBenet's death was predicted, and therefore, inescapable. It HAD to happen. It was predestination.

So who does Patsy think was affecting her unconscious mind to weave purple fabric? Who sent her the "premonition" of JonBenet in a coffin? Was it Patsy's version of God? Did Patsy's God tell her through signs and wonders that JonBenet would die, that she MUST die?

If Patsy had woven purple into Christmas, and momentarily seen a doll as JonBenet in a coffin, and JonBenet HAD NOT died that Christmas ... would Patsy still see those same things as premonitions of JonBenet's death?

Of course not. That's why her omens of JonBenet's death are ludicrous. They are nothing more than Patsy's mind trying to grasp, and rationalize, her involvement in JonBenet's death. The fact she was willing in DOI to tell the world these "premonitions" shows how desperate Patsy is for everyone else to believe in her rationalization fantasy.

Patsy said, "In a strange and unexpected way, I had unconsciously woven death into the fabric of our Christmas celebration ..."

And that, my friends, says it all.


IMO

I agree. It cannot be emphasized enough: Patsy has made it clear that she deeply believes in fate and destiny. She pretends to exhibit a little skepticism, but it is always just enough to then show that the resulting act of destiny truly was meant to be.

For another example, look to her rationalization in DOI in the story she tells of being at a party with John before they were wed. Patsy tells of how she was told that when she met the man of her dreams, the man she would marry, she would hear bells. She then rationalizes the moment that she was at a party with John, and the doorbell continually rang as guests arrived. She goes out of her way to say, the doorbell ringing frequently was the sign showing her she was supposed to marry John. Of course, this is patently ridiculous. She had been at parties before, and doorbells had rung, and men other than John were present, and she did not marry them. But she wants to write a pretty story, that John and she were soul mates destined to be together. Lacking any other way to demonstrate this, she makes up a story about the ringing of doorbells being so unusual, it could have been nothing other than A Sign.

 

[Britt]

Patsy wants us to think JonBenet's death was predicted, and therefore, inescapable. It HAD to happen. It was predestination.

And premeditated?

Patsy mixed Lent with Advent, Easter with Christmas, death with life, red with blue, JonBenet with Christ, Patsy with JonBenet.

Does it need to get any more clear?

IDENTITY CRISIS.

Excellent, BrotherMoon.

Also Why_nutt and Cherokee... excellent observations.

 

[jubie]

Patsy says "I lifted the lid slowly..." Oh geeze! Think about this one! The 'death' thoughts apparently didn't happen until she SAW the doll lying in the box... soooo why the need for the (insert creepy music here) "I Lifted the lid 'slowly'..." Story telling!!!



Jubie

 

[BrotherMoon]

"I had placed the meaning of Lent in the midst of our celebration of the nativity." PR - DOI

Psalms 74:12 And yet God is my King from long ago, The One performing grand salvation in the midst of the earth.

There are 450 other references to midst in The Comprehensive Concordance.

This is another example of Patsy getting her phrasiology from The Bible.

 

[Britt]

Patsy says "I lifted the lid slowly..." Oh geeze! Think about this one! The 'death' thoughts apparently didn't happen until she SAW the doll lying in the box... soooo why the need for the (insert creepy music here) "I Lifted the lid 'slowly'..." Story telling!!!

Exactly, Jubie. Good call.

It's just like when she describes the "kidnappping" in the June 1998 interview (see page 150 of the NE JonBenet The Police Files):

I screamed for John... I mean my knees were like, you know, buckling. And oh, God, and he came down and I said, "She's gone, she's gone, there is a note, she's been kidnapped"...

I remember my voice was just cracking. I mean it was like "JOHN," like that. I mean like, I can't even, you know, I hear my scream and I hear his scream when he came up from the basement, I mean it was just a horrible thing... he comes down those stairs there and... I am pacing. I said, "Oh, my God, you know there is a note, she's been kidnapped..."

lol... buckling knees, cracking voice, pacing, screaming... she even attempts to do a dramatic re-enactment of screaming "JOHN." She's writing FICTION... oh the DRAMA

 

[why_nutt]

lol... buckling knees, cracking voice, pacing, screaming... she even attempts to do a dramatic re-enactment of screaming "JOHN." She's writing FICTION... oh the DRAMA

Then there is the story of JonBenet's birth. If you take the story as it is presented in DOI at face value, Patsy had no idea whether she was beginning labor when she had JonBenet. A convenient fact she leaves out is that she had already experienced labor when she had Burke (obviously), and so her frantic performance involving seeing a spot of blood, and the resulting call to her mother asking her if she might be going into labor, is simply ridiculous.

DOI does effectively present Patsy as a woman who will lie for no reason except to serve dramatic purposes. Since the ransom note exists for only that reason, the focus appropriately can stay on her as its author.

 

[Show Me]

Wow! Excellent posts guys. I too laughed when I read Patsy didn't know she was in labor and this was her second child????

Cherokee....it seems to obvious to me, Patsy is trying to justify, in her own way, JonBenet's death. I love the way your post explained it.

 

[BrotherMoon]

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. King James version

Tree
Christian: As putting forth both good and evil fruits, the tree is an image of man; as renewal through Christ's death on the cross it is resurrection. The cross is sometimes identified with the Tree in the Midst, the vertical axis of communication between heaven and earth. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Traditional Symbols

 

[BrotherMoon]

Just an aside; Since fruit trees were taxed in Palestine at that time, an unproductive tree (as good as dead) was an undesirable burden to the owner and, hence, a tree to be chopped down and destroyed. Insight on The Scriptures Vol 2.

 

[ACandyRose]

Speaking of DOI.

Here is an interesting tidbit in DOI....... in my opinion, a very important tidbit of information that is missing during a particular story being told by Patsy.

In DOI hardback the name Beth Ramsey is referenced on 45 different pages where either John or Patsy bring up Beth's name either referencing the impact of her death, their loss, how it impacted the family, how the media or the BPD were dragging Beth's name into the investigation, how life has been so hard for John since loosing Beth and then loosing JonBenet, so on and so forth.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not dogging the Ramseys for bringing up Beth's name or including her in DOI. She was John's daughter and his memories of her are forever and rightly so. And I can understand completely how the death of JonBenet would flood them with stressful memories of another daughter lost.

But in DOI, every story they wrote about on how distressed they were, how they couldn't function, how the media was hounding them, how the BPD wanted to interview them and they were just too stressed to talk with them, most stories they told in DOI would include some comment about memories of when Beth died associated with further stress regarding JonBenet's death.

So reading the book, the assumtion would be that even if Beth's name or memories of her death was not fresh in their minds, the murder of JonBenet, the whole investigation brought back all those stressful memories ten fold and caused additional distress so much so that they wrote about it on 45 different pages in DOI.

But on page 105/106 DOI (hard back) Patsy talks about how she took Burke to the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot to be interviewed. Patsy wrote how she was so concerned about his well being. She wrote that Burke was still in shock, how the examination wasn't an easy experience for Burke and how she hated that he had to go through it.

Patsy wrote, "For two hours, the psychologist probed Burke's mind while the detectives sent in questions. Every so often Linda Arndt would come in to the break room to reassure me. I just couldn't believe that I was sitting in a child advocacy center, where my son was being interrogated about the death of his little sister. At times I could begin to cry and shake uncontrollably. (SNIP) Linda Arndt could see my pain, and she tried to comfort me. (SNIP) As we left the Child Advocacy Center, I was in more distress and turmoil than Burke was."

During this story in DOI, Patsy never mentions one time the name of Beth Ramsey or any reminder of how any stress was brought on herself or John or even young Burke Ramsey that this very stressful event was just another reminder that Burke had lost two sisters or that the family had lost two daughters.

Of all the days that the memories of Beth should come flooding back to remind them of their distress, this story, about this day, should have reminded them twenty fold and yet her name was never mentioned.

The date of Burke's interview in 1997 at the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot was January 8th, the 5 year anniversary of the day that Beth Ramsey died.

====================================================

 

[Show Me]

Hi yah ACR! Hope you are in good health.

Weird...Patsy didn't remember that day as the day of Beth's death. It happened only 5 years earlier.

Brothermoon...midst and hence are common words indeed in the Ramsey's correspondence!

 

[Barbara]

Weird...Patsy didn't remember that day as the day of Beth's death. It happened only 5 years earlier.

Because absolutely EVERYTHING was about how things affect THEM! ME, ME ME ME ME!

The stress for THEM, the anxiety for THEM, during Burke's "interview", note how by the end of the story she tells it was WORSE FOR HER than for Burke.

The funeral and "what to wear", spent time arranging for a store to BRING HER CLOTHING TO CHOOSE?????? Picked out a two piece knit, thought about Jackie O and a veil, had a friend actually make it for her so that she could be alone in her grief just like Jackie O ME ME ME ME ME

She had the wherewithall to go through all that to emulate Jackie O and managed to forget to dress Burke appropriately.

She is a bad piece of work!

I've said this so many times, I may just add it to my signature.

I HAVE MET JACKIE O AND PATSY RAMSEY IS NO JACKIE O! Jackie was all class, all the time!

 

[VespaElf]

What really bugged me at first about DOI was the cover.I honestly thought it was supposed to be about JBR and I couldn't figure out why in the hell the gruesome twosome were up close and personal on the front ,but then upon reading the book the cover made sense . The book isnt about JBR at all.Its all about the"real"victims,John & Patsy,and how they were wronged and what great people they are and how unfair everythings been on them(I always get the feeling they blame JBR for all the horrible things that have befallen them......boo hoo).
Im just glad I checked mine out of the library so they didnt make a dime "for the foundation" from me!