General Discussion and Theories #2

[MsSherlock]

Agreed , seems to have been snippets, which when taken or interpreted out of context can lead to all sorts of convolution of truth.imo <modsnip>.... and I am grateful to her for finding those links as it gave us a chance to peruse them more fully. <modsnip>

Thanks Blomquist. I obviously got the clips mixed. Have just clarified in a reply to Snoofo. IMO it is not taken out of context. I made the error of thinking the clips would be listened to in their entirety and the actual quotes would be heard. IMHO, DP gave us a lot of info in those first few days and the clips are well worth listening to. MOO

 

[Juballee]

Hmm, I don't interpret it that way at all. Not that either of us knows the intent, but I would think that DP would come right out and say that his client has used him (DP) to assist the police. Sounds much better for DM than "sources". Any lawyer will put the best spin on things they possibly can and to me DP saying "information has been provided thru other sources to assist the police in their investigation" means LE is hot on DM and MS' murderous trail, DP knows it, DP knows the public is disgusted by DM's silence in finding TB and is looking to paint his client in a more positive light without coming out and lying by saying DM helped LE. Hope that made sense, and all MOO of course.

If those were the words being quoted, (which I also did not hear when listening to that link), I would not interpret them to mean that 'LE is hot on their murderous trail', I'm not sure where the connection would be between the two ideas, it seems a bit of a stretch, in my opinion. I think that if someone didn't want it known that they were cooperating with LE, they certainly wouldn't have their lawyer say, 'He's remaining silent but speaking to LE through his attorney.' That would defeat the purpose, in my opinion.

 

[MsSherlock]

Agreed , seems to have been snippets, which when taken or interpreted out of context can lead to all sorts of convolution of truth.imo <modsnip>.... and I am grateful to her for finding those links as it gave us a chance to peruse them more fully. <modsnip>

Blomquist, for further clarification on another snippet:

4:26 Reporter: "Since your client has been arrested have you had any contact with him in his brief period he's been in jail...has he ever had any sort of prior history with police at all?"

DP's response: "the contact I've had is I appeared personally for him on Saturday, I visited him at the institution on Saturday evening, I've had discussions with him on the phone...he is...to my knowledge..he has no criminal record, no brushes with the law in terms of having any kind of..ever being in jail and so forth and ah" breaks into family charity and DM's accomplishments.

http://www.cp24.com/news/lawyer-for...-will-plead-100-per-cent-not-guilty-1.1279416

IMO, DP tried very hard to switch the conversation onto DM and his family and away from any part of his past. DP's statement that I snipped out earlier about "ever being in jail" leads me to believe that he may have had previous brushes with the law that never resulted in charges being laid or jail time. Why would DP add that little disclaimer?? DP could have easily said "No, DM has NEVER had any brushes with the law". IMO, a high profile Criminal Lawyer should be able to say that without any problem. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Agreed , seems to have been snippets, which when taken or interpreted out of context can lead to all sorts of convolution of truth.imo <modsnip>.... and I am grateful to her for finding those links as it gave us a chance to peruse them more fully. <modsnip>

Blomquist, seems I'm bombarding your post, but thought I should clarity the other clip with you as well! This one is in concern to the "innocent person"

On May 15th, DP spoke with the press:

3:23 DP states "At the end of the day under the constitution Canadian Citizens have the right to remain silent...it could jeopardize..ah..often....even an innocent person will remain silent for obvious reasons-something they may say or do may inadvertently...ah they may find themselves in trouble."

IMO, as I previously mentioned, DP is dancing for words here and I find his selection of words and phraseology extremely interesting. Almost like he's back tracking.

This is also the clip where DP makes reference to DM being remorseful.

At 3:52 DP states "I'm sure my client feels extremely remorseful for whats happened..um..ah..but we maintain his innocence and we're going to defend this."

IMO, as mentioned here already, that's a very interesting adjective for DP to use to describe DM's feelings.

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/15/dellen-millards-lawyer-speaks-after-client-appears-in-court/

Hope that cleans up the mess and confusion caused by my sloppy posting!! :seeya:

 

[swedie]

IMO, some interesting and perhaps telling statements from DP.

May 13/13 When asked about DM's past, DP responds at 4:46, "no brushes with the law in terms of ever being in jail"

When asked if he had met DM before, DP responds at 6:14- "brief meeting with him thru another client on an unrelated matter"

http://www.cp24.com/news/lawyer-for...-will-plead-100-per-cent-not-guilty-1.1279416

May 15/13 When questioned about DM's exercising his constitutional right to remain silent, DP states at 3:30 "Even an innocent person"

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Hamilton/ID/2385605761/

May 17/13 When asked if DM is co-operating with LE to locate TB, DP responds at 1:21 "information has been provided thru other sources to assist the police in their investigation"

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/15/dellen-millards-lawyer-speaks-after-client-appears-in-court/

Hi MsSherlock! :seeya: Awesome findings. :giggle: Well seems it's a good thing DP takes the Napoleon approach. Look at the mountain of telling information he has provide to us. If he didn't take the Napoleon approach, we wouldn't have had this very telling information. No wonder DM was visited by someone from DD's office, SD. Once they heard DP speak they knew DM was done for. According to DD, DM had made the request to speak to someone from his office. Could it be it had gotten back to DM DP was "shooting off" his mouth to the reporters and DM did not like that? Worst yet DM found his lawyer implicated him to the MSM. Maybe this is part of the reason the judge has put a PB on this case; to stop DP from blabbing to the media. I have a gut feeling someone close to DM sent SD to speak with DM. Maybe that 'someone' had also paid close attention to what DP revealed in his napoleon moments in front of the cameras and didn't like DP was talking out of both sides of his mouth IMHO.

Derstine did, however, speak to the Mississauga News on the issue recently. He said Millard requested a meeting with his firm. "All of our communication with Mr. Millard was proper, above board and above reproach," Derstine told the paper. Paradkar, who met his client through a mutual acquaintance months ago, was named as Millard's lawyer at his very first court appearance on May 11 and has been very public, speaking regularly to the media about his client and the case.

http://news.ca.msn.com/ontario/hami...ll-locked-in-battle-over-professional-conduct

Deepak Paradkar, who is defending Millard, said a Derstine Penman associate visited his client at the Hamilton-Wentworth Detention Centre without his consent, contravening the Law Society of Upper Canada’s rules of professional conduct.
“He did not solicit their services nor did he solicit a second opinion,” Paradkar said. “The family has full confidence in my ability to represent him.”
Dirk Derstine, a partner at the firm, said they did visit Millard in jail and tried to contact Paradkar afterward.
“Our contact with Mr. Millard was above board,” Derstine said. “It was not unsolicited.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...wed_police_interest_in_her_disappearance.html

 

[Juballee]

Sorry Snoofo if the link, time and quote didn't match up. I will clarify now.

At approx 1:10 in the following clip (May 13/13) the reporter asks DP "Is he working with Hamilton Police in the search for Tim Bosma"
DP responds, word for word "he is exercising his constitutional rights to remain silent....he is protected under the constitution..ah..information has been provided thru other sources to assist the police in their investigation is all I can say".

http://www.cp24.com/news/lawyer-for...-will-plead-100-per-cent-not-guilty-1.1279416

Sorry for any confusion, you may have been listening to the wrong clip!

:facepalm:

Thanks for clarifying the link, as I was listening to it something jumped out at me that I had not noticed before; when asked about DM's mom, one of the first things DP says is that she is concerned for herself. If we are going to dissect these statements word for word, isn't this a telling phrase? To me it makes it sound like whoever is framing her son knows where she lives and left the trailer there as a threat towards her, and to me that could certainly account for DM's silence.

 

[Juballee]

Blomquist, for further clarification on another snippet:

4:26 Reporter: "Since your client has been arrested have you had any contact with him in his brief period he's been in jail...has he ever had any sort of prior history with police at all?"

DP's response: "the contact I've had is I appeared personally for him on Saturday, I visited him at the institution on Saturday evening, I've had discussions with him on the phone...he is...to my knowledge..he has no criminal record, no brushes with the law in terms of having any kind of..ever being in jail and so forth and ah" breaks into family charity and DM's accomplishments.

http://www.cp24.com/news/lawyer-for...-will-plead-100-per-cent-not-guilty-1.1279416

IMO, DP tried very hard to switch the conversation onto DM and his family and away from any part of his past. DP's statement that I snipped out earlier about "ever being in jail" leads me to believe that he may have had previous brushes with the law that never resulted in charges being laid or jail time. Why would DP add that little disclaimer?? DP could have easily said "No, DM has NEVER had any brushes with the law". IMO, a high profile Criminal Lawyer should be able to say that without any problem. MOO

To me it sounds like he was trying to be more precise, as 'brushes with the law' is such a broad statement, it could include traffic stops, speeding tickets, being questioned about things in relation to matters you are not charged with, it is too open to interpretation. I think he was clarifying that DM has never been charged with a crime or that this is his first time in jail. He could have been convicted of having overdue parking tickets, would that be considered a brush with the law comparable to being charged with murder? Because I have a feeling that if DP had made a sweeping statement like "No, DM has NEVER had any brushes with the law"' and it came out that he had a ticket for an expired sticker, the finger pointers would be all over that, pointing to what a liar DP is.

 

[Juballee]

Blomquist, seems I'm bombarding your post, but thought I should clarity the other clip with you as well! This one is in concern to the "innocent person"

On May 15th, DP spoke with the press:

3:23 DP states "At the end of the day under the constitution Canadian Citizens have the right to remain silent...it could jeopardize..ah..often....even an innocent person will remain silent for obvious reasons-something they may say or do may inadvertently...ah they may find themselves in trouble."

IMO, as I previously mentioned, DP is dancing for words here and I find his selection of words and phraseology extremely interesting. Almost like he's back tracking.

This is also the clip where DP makes reference to DM being remorseful.

At 3:52 DP states "I'm sure my client feels extremely remorseful for whats happened..um..ah..but we maintain his innocence and we're going to defend this."

IMO, as mentioned here already, that's a very interesting adjective for DP to use to describe DM's feelings.

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/15/dellen-millards-lawyer-speaks-after-client-appears-in-court/

Hope that cleans up the mess and confusion caused by my sloppy posting!! :seeya:

Sorry, I wish I could put all theses in one post but I have no idea how to quote multiple posts.

I believe that saying 'even an innocent person' does not in any way imply that the person that he is talking about is not innocent, because he could have said, 'even my client...' And that would not have made him sound more guilty. The qualifier of 'even' does not preclude those things being mentioned as not now belonging, rather it includes them, which is the opposite. Here he is saying the equivalent of 'even someone you might not think would do that has a right to do that'.

And the word remorse may have been a poor choice of word because many people obviously associate it with an admittance of guilt, when really a feeling of guilt is not the same thing as an admission of guilt, they are two different things. But we must realize that there are things such as survivors guilt, in where the survivors of a tragedy feel remorse for the victims who did not survive, despite having no culpability in the event. Or say, for example, you introduce two people to each other who would otherwise have never met, and then one kills the other, would you not feel remorseful for introducing them?

 

[redheart]

Thanks for clarifying the link, as I was listening to it something jumped out at me that I had not noticed before; when asked about DM's mom, one of the first things DP says is that she is concerned for herself. If we are going to dissect these statements word for word, isn't this a telling phrase? To me it makes it sound like whoever is framing her son knows where she lives and left the trailer there as a threat towards her, and to me that could certainly account for DM's silence.

BBM. Ooh, great point. Maybe DP means she is worried DM or MS might harm her.

 

[Snoofo]

Hi MsSherlock! :seeya: Awesome findings. :giggle: Well seems it's a good thing DP takes the Napoleon approach. Look at the mountain of telling information he has provide to us. If he didn't take the Napoleon approach, we wouldn't have had this very telling information. No wonder DM was visited by someone from DD's office, SD. Once they heard DP speak they knew DM was done for. According to DD, DM had made the request to speak to someone from his office. Could it be it had gotten back to DM DP was "shooting off" his mouth to the reporters and DM did not like that? Worst yet DM found his lawyer implicated him to the MSM. Maybe this is part of the reason the judge has put a PB on this case; to stop DP from blabbing to the media. I have a gut feeling someone close to DM sent SD to speak with DM. Maybe that 'someone' had also paid close attention to what DP revealed in his napoleon moments in front of the cameras and didn't like DP was talking out of both sides of his mouth IMHO.

Derstine did, however, speak to the Mississauga News on the issue recently. He said Millard requested a meeting with his firm. "All of our communication with Mr. Millard was proper, above board and above reproach," Derstine told the paper. Paradkar, who met his client through a mutual acquaintance months ago, was named as Millard's lawyer at his very first court appearance on May 11 and has been very public, speaking regularly to the media about his client and the case.

http://news.ca.msn.com/ontario/hami...ll-locked-in-battle-over-professional-conduct

Deepak Paradkar, who is defending Millard, said a Derstine Penman associate visited his client at the Hamilton-Wentworth Detention Centre without his consent, contravening the Law Society of Upper Canada’s rules of professional conduct.
“He did not solicit their services nor did he solicit a second opinion,” Paradkar said. “The family has full confidence in my ability to represent him.”
Dirk Derstine, a partner at the firm, said they did visit Millard in jail and tried to contact Paradkar afterward.
“Our contact with Mr. Millard was above board,” Derstine said. “It was not unsolicited.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...wed_police_interest_in_her_disappearance.html

Say what you will about DP, but his track record is pretty darn good. DD lost the two cases I know that he represented. (Maybe thats why you are pulling for him :lol: )

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[Blomquist]

Agreed , seems to have been snippets, which when taken or interpreted out of context can lead to all sorts of convolution of truth.imo <modsnip>.... and I am grateful to her for finding those links as it gave us a chance to peruse them more fully. <modsnip>

What does name variation mean? I thought I posted McSherlock....as the poster who posted it ???? Can you advise ?

OK just checked.... its MS Sherlock...sorry I have always thought it said McSherlock...my mistake...

 

[swedie]

Thanks for clarifying the link, as I was listening to it something jumped out at me that I had not noticed before; when asked about DM's mom, one of the first things DP says is that she is concerned for herself. If we are going to dissect these statements word for word, isn't this a telling phrase? To me it makes it sound like whoever is framing her son knows where she lives and left the trailer there as a threat towards her, and to me that could certainly account for DM's silence.

Nope, I see it as she's afraid what people will think about her in relation to what her son is being accused of. Protecting her self image. The poor woman; just image being dragged into such a horrific position. Her name probably would have ever have entered the picture IF DM hadn't parked his trailer, with TB's truck inside in her driveway. Making it look like she may have been involved in TB's death. What a terrible thing to do; drag your innocent mother into the picture. I believe we will find this out through to be factual based on the neighbour of MB's. Sadly she wouldn't/couldn't even return home out of embarrassment and maybe for privacy reasons. I'm certain she would have been confronted by a neighbour or two, or more wanting to give her their condolences and possibly question her out of concern, but being as she's a very private woman, she didn't want to return to her home. Not only the neighbours, but reporters and public in general knocking on her door. No wonder she went into hiding. My heart goes out to MB. Must be awful considering your only child whom you believed was a prior good character, has all of a sudden turned out to be the possible devil himself. JMHO.

She was stuck between a rock and a hard place when she had to deal with the signing over of DM's property. DM needed money to pay DP upfront and MB, his mother was more than likely the only person who would/could do that for him. Of course DP would see nothing unusual about it, he wants his money and this is the only way he could get it. And of course DM is not concerned about future lawsuits; he is now facing the worst suit possible. :floorlaugh: DM's day to day affairs, in DP's words, mean paying his defense. Again JMHO.

“The timing is beyond smelly. It doesn’t make sense to me,” said Andrew Fortis, real estate lawyer with Hummingbird Lawyers. “It raises a lot of red flags.”
Millard’s lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, dismissed the allegations.
“I don’t think there’s anything unusual about a family member taking over assets while you’re in jail,” he said in an interview. “I don’t believe there’s anything untoward.” Paradkar said arrangements were made to facilitate day-to-day affairs while Millard is in jail awaiting trial. He said Millard is “not concerned about lawsuits.”
On the day after his May 10 arrest, Millard, 27, hastily signed over power of attorney to his mother, Madeleine Burns, from the Hamilton-Wentworth Detention Centre, public records obtained by the Star show.

Police have cleared Burns of any involvement in Bosma’s disappearance and murder.

“The family has been destroyed over this.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/05/millard_land_deals_beyond_smelly_experts_say.html

 

[Blomquist]

Nope, I see it as she's afraid what people will think about her in relation to what her son is being accused of. Protecting her self image. The poor woman; just image being dragged into such a horrific position. Her name probably would have ever have entered the picture IF DM hadn't parked his trailer, with TB's truck inside in her driveway. Making it look like she may have been involved in TB's death. What a terrible thing to do; drag your innocent mother into the picture.

Nope, I see that this is a mother who is concerned for herself either from someone(s) else causing her to become in the past tense, or harmin g her in some way. I think she may believe that whoever put her son in this situation and scares him enough to keep silent may well be waiting to deal with her if her son should say too much JMO......OR....... She is concerned about the maniacal behaviour of people who fixate on cases and blame the family of an accused for the crime. Either or....or both. JMO
Also we have no proof whatsoever that DM has dragged his mother into anything..... as yet we have not be shown any proof to who delivered the truck/trailer to the driveway. IMO when something is stated as fact when it is not known to be fact it is at most slanderous and at least misleading JMO


I believe we will find this out through to be factual based on the neighbour of MB's. Sadly she wouldn't/couldn't even return home out of embarrassment and maybe for privacy reasons. I'm certain she would have been confronted by a neighbour or two, or more wanting to give her their condolences and possibly question her out of concern, but being as she's a very private woman, she didn't want to return to her home. Not only the neighbours, but reporters and public in general knocking on her door. No wonder she went into hiding. My heart goes out to MB. Must be awful considering your only child whom you believed was a prior good character, has all of a sudden turned out to be the possible devil himself. JMHO.

How do we know she hasn't returned home out of embarrassment? She may well have felt the need to be out of sight for fear that someone who has gone to great lengths to frame her son may well need to have her as a potential catalyst to blackmail....to ensure that DM stays silent. I am interested in the word 'confronted' this would imply that the neighbour could be 'confrontational'. which of course we have no idea about the character of the neighbours.I see the word 'possibly' is included in the post..... which of course indicates that it is simply guesswork....and I agree all we can do at this point is guess...


She was stuck between a rock and a hard place when she had to deal with the signing over of DM's property. DM needed money to pay DP upfront and MB, his mother was more than likely the only person who would/could do that for him. Of course DP would see nothing unusual about it, he wants his money and this is the only way he could get it. And of course DM is not concerned about future lawsuits; he is now facing the worst suit possible. :floorlaugh:

I presume the floorlaugh ( :floorlaugh: ) is in relation to an orange jump suit !!!! I personally find someone laughing or even jesting at a situation which may very well involve an innocent man to be at best, poor taste..... JMO

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[MsSherlock]

Thanks for clarifying the link, as I was listening to it something jumped out at me that I had not noticed before; when asked about DM's mom, one of the first things DP says is that she is concerned for herself. If we are going to dissect these statements word for word, isn't this a telling phrase? To me it makes it sound like whoever is framing her son knows where she lives and left the trailer there as a threat towards her, and to me that could certainly account for DM's silence.

True Juballee, but it could also mean that due to the fact her only child is in jail-charged with a horrific murder, that she feared for her privacy, being a super private person to begin with. IMHO, she could have been fearful of people harassing or harming her because she was DM's mother. Interesting, seeing that it sounds like she has enough resources to hire around the clock surveillance/protection. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

True Juballee, but it could also mean that due to the fact her only child is in jail-charged with a horrific murder, that she feared for her privacy, being a super private person to begin with. IMHO, she could have been fearful of people harassing or harming her because she was DM's mother. Interesting, seeing that it sounds like she has enough resources to hire around the clock surveillance/protection. MOO

He says "it's concern for herself..er..ah...her son's well being" and kind of nods during the "er...ah". He could have been correcting himself mid-sentence - changing the "herself" to "her son's".

JMO

At 1:50.

 

[MsSherlock]

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Blomquist, I'd love to quote your post, but when you write within a quote, and then just put the color, it makes it really hard for anyone to quote further :dunno: IMO, the forum would be a mess if we all did that! You can break the quote into pieces and reply to each section-that way your comments will continue! Your comments end up getting buried and only the "colour response" post continues on. :twocents:
I agree with Swedie. IMO, DM's mother has been dealt a terrible blow and my heart goes out to her having to deal with everything. IMHO, returning back to her home in the burbs would be hard-along with having the feeling that everyone recognizes you or knows you're DM's mom...very hard. IMO, she has a tough hand to play in the public right now and could be fearful of peoples reactions to her as the mother TB's accused murderer. MOO

 

[Blomquist]

Blomquist, I'd love to quote your post, but when you write within a quote, and then just put the color, it makes it really hard for anyone to quote further :dunno: IMO, the forum would be a mess if we all did that! You can break the quote into pieces and reply to each section-that way your comments will continue! Your comments end up getting buried and only the "colour response" post continues on. :twocents:
I agree with Swedie. IMO, DM's mother has been dealt a terrible blow and my heart goes out to her having to deal with everything. IMHO, returning back to her home in the burbs would be hard-along with having the feeling that everyone recognizes you or knows you're DM's mom...very hard. IMO, she has a tough hand to play in the public right now and could be fearful of peoples reactions to her as the mother TB's accused murderer. MOO

I am not sure how my comments get buried .... and apparently I have been told by mods that it was only the colour red that was a problem.... There is an area of a quoted post (even if it says 'purple' that will take you to the actual post..... HTH Maybe someone would be kind enough to explain how multi quote posting works to help myself and others out.... TIA

I expect MB being British, and Brits being known for their stoic composure, is not so much bothered about the neighbours as the risk from the unknown insofar as being in harms way...JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

What does name variation mean? I thought I posted McSherlock....as the poster who posted it ???? Can you advise ?

OK just checked.... its MS Sherlock...sorry I have always thought it said McSherlock...my mistake...

:floorlaugh: Oh Blomquist...you humor me so!!! You've always used Ms Sherlock but no problem giving it a Big Mac spin! Call me anything, just don't call me "late for dinner" :floorlaugh:

 

[Blomquist]

:floorlaugh: Oh Blomquist...you humor me so!!! You've always used Ms Sherlock but no problem giving it a Big Mac spin! Call me anything, just don't call me "late for dinner" :floorlaugh:

I'm glad you find it amusing..:floorlaugh:.. regardless,...when I think of your 'name' I think McSherlock.... regardless of what I have used or not used..... no idea why the Ms converts to a Mc in my mind...... must be my gaelic ancestry.... :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[Alethea Dice]

I am not sure how my comments get buried .... and apparently I have been told by mods that it was only the colour red that was a problem.... There is an area of a quoted post (even if it says 'purple' that will take you to the actual post..... HTH Maybe someone would be kind enough to explain how multi quote posting works to help myself and others out.... TIA

I expect MB being British, and Brits being known for their stoic composure, is not so much bothered about the neighbours as the risk from the unknown insofar as being in harms way...JMO

If you want to just split up a quote so that you can reply to each part separately, I just open the "quote" in another tab and then only copy the part I want to respond to. You can do that for each piece of the original quote that you're replying to. That way, if someone wants to reply to your comments, when they hit reply, it will still show your comments (without the original "quoted" comments. Maybe someone knows an easier way, but that's worked for me.

When you reply inside the quote, if someone replies to you, your comments disappear with the original quote.

Does that help?