General Discussion and Theories #2

[skatergirl]

Do we know that its his trailer?

If it is his trailer

I would guess that he kept it either at the airport or at a location provided by a friend

Maybe a friend had been using the trailer..(possibly in Brantford JMO ).. DM is apparently quite generous and how often would one use a trailer that size ??JMO

Yes it is his trailer

It is now confirmed Bosma’s black pickup truck was found inside a trailer that police say is registered to Millard’s company parked at his mother’s home in Kleinburg.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/14/tim_bosma_dellen_millard_to_be_charged_with_murder.html

 

[Sillybilly]

Do we know that its his trailer?

If it is his trailer

I would guess that he kept it either at the airport or at a location provided by a friend

Maybe a friend had been using the trailer..(possibly in Brantford JMO ).. DM is apparently quite generous and how often would one use a trailer that size ??JMO

If it wasn't his trailer, then why is he the one charged with theft over?

Good grief .. if I lent someone my trailer and a stolen truck and a murder were associated with my trailer, i'd sure be spilling the beans on my so-called friend.

 

[skatergirl]

If it wasn't his trailer, then why is he the one charged with theft over?

Good grief .. if I lent someone my trailer and a stolen truck and a murder were associated with my trailer, i'd sure be spilling the beans on my so-called friend.

Exactly!!!

 

[Blomquist]

If it wasn't his trailer, then why is he the one charged with theft over?

Good grief .. if I lent someone my trailer and a stolen truck and a murder were associated with my trailer, i'd sure be spilling the beans on my so-called friend.

Someone has kindly provided a link showing the trailer belonged to MillardAir.

I would be wanting to know a few things first and would be sending out feelers to find out what was going on....maybe DP is doing just that .......

Do you believe that the truck was placed in the trailer and dropped off at MB by one individual?

 

[dizzy1]

I have to agree about the importance of the cell phone. Those calls are what connects the first test drive to TB's test drive. Otherwise, the two could have been completed by different people, as the first description of the suspects was pretty vague IMO. Depending on how clearly SB saw the two accused, who owns the phone and who made the calls can also be important. Whoever made the calls/had the phone could potentially be the one and only person who was at both test drives. That person may have taken a different accomplice on each of the test drives.

JMO

Somehow TB's cellphone led LE to DM:

Bosma’s cellphone was found three days later in an industrial area of Brantford.

The cellphone led investigators to Millard, police said.

http://www.680news.com/2013/05/15/millard-to-face-1st-degree-murder-charge-in-bosmas-death/

 

[robynhood]

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:banghead:OMG I have been gone for a bit.. ..could not log in on ...new computer.....and I see >>>>"same old same old"

....I need to remind ppl...that this went on in ONT 2011>>>Complete Publication Ban with *****sweet "Tori Strafford "case in 2009...anyone can look it up here...and THANK GOD it was on from when she disappeared in APRIL 2009- trial May 2011..we knew nothing....and she Pleaded GUILTY>>> ...Terri Lynn >>>spoke in court too.

...that PUBLICATION BAN was crucial to the case when Michael Rafferty final came to COURT...found guilty of rape, murder and stealing her away from her school APR. 2009>>>> as she walked home...WHY am I mentioning it....you may ask?....

1. WHEN...this goes to court and they want a GUILTY VERDICT ...nothing must be leaked out....anyone knows this that >>>> following this case that broke many hearts in Ont..including mine.......

2, To this day PRESENT...perv Rafferty is still trying to Appeal....with Our possible Tax$$$....NOW...

3. A PUBLICATION BAN is crucial to a murder case....

4.****especially considering IMO ...want kinds of things have been shown here : stolen bikes, engines , a hanger full.....

5.***IMO strongly* what appears to be a link to drugs ....from the little that has been shown thru out this thread....

6.IMO..many pieces are missing as the CROWN does not want their evidence leaked out before TRIAL date which seems far away....A PUBLICATION BAN IS CRUCIAL....and we can not guess to what the crown has ....speculating is exhausting....I believe there is so much that we could NOT possible know....

7. I agree that the accused MUST know some of the crucial evidence...otherwise I think we would see a proceedings for BAIL>>>

***8. I think everything is quiet for a reason...Tori's dad knew some of the evidence ...but the PUBLIC was shocked when it went to trial!

9. IMO I believe there must have been enough evidence to IDENTIFY ...Tim Bosma ....what that was we shall not know till trial begins...

10.IMO we shall all be gasping for breath....and very shocked what is in those closed finals...JIMO...robynhood....glad to be back by the way....:seeya:

 

[Blomquist]

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:banghead:OMG I have been gone for a bit.. ..could not log in on ...new computer.....and I see >>>>"same old same old"

....I need to remind ppl...that this went on in ONT 2011>>>Complete Publication Ban with *****sweet "Tori Strafford "case in 2009...anyone can look it up here...and THANK GOD it was on from when she disappeared in APRIL 2009- trial May 2011..we knew nothing....and she Pleaded GUILTY>>> ...Terri Lynn >>>spoke in court too.

...that PUBLICATION BAN was crucial to the case when Michael Rafferty final came to COURT...found guilty of rape, murder and stealing her away from her school APR. 2009>>>> as she walked home...WHY am I mentioning it....you may ask?....

1. WHEN...this goes to court and they want a GUILTY VERDICT ...nothing must be leaked out....anyone knows this that >>>> following this case that broke many hearts in Ont..including mine.......

2, To this day PRESENT...perv Rafferty is still trying to Appeal....with Our possible Tax$$$....NOW...

3. A PUBLICATION BAN is crucial to a murder case....

4.****especially considering IMO ...want kinds of things have been shown here : stolen bikes, engines , a hanger full.....

5.***IMO strongly* what appears to be a link to drugs ....from the little that has been shown thru out this thread....

6.IMO..many pieces are missing as the CROWN does not want their evidence leaked out before TRIAL date which seems far away....A PUBLICATION BAN IS CRUCIAL....and we can not guess to what the crown has ....speculating is exhausting....I believe there is so much that we could NOT possible know....

7. I agree that the accused MUST know some of the crucial evidence...otherwise I think we would see a proceedings for BAIL>>>

***8. I think everything is quiet for a reason...Tori's dad knew some of the evidence ...but the PUBLIC was shocked when it went to trial!

9. IMO I believe there must have been enough evidence to IDENTIFY ...Tim Bosma ....what that was we shall not know till trial begins...

10.IMO we shall all be gasping for breath....and very shocked what is in those closed finals...JIMO...robynhood....glad to be back by the way....:seeya:

Hi
My family and I followed Tori's case from beginning to end. We were/still are very sad about it and we went to the vigil in Woodstock when you were there. So I have every empathy for your situation... Tori was a beautiful child and I for one will remember how the purple balloons formed a butterfly when they were released that day in Woodstock....she won't be forgotten.

This case is a totally different case IMO and there is much more to it than two perpetrators picking up a victim , driving to a remote spot and killing them. IMO....

I have actually been doing a lot of sleuthing on my own time and away from this website...and I have to say that there is much that has been unsaid.... Lets hope justice is done, but in order to get it we have to have all the pieces.....

People like Guy Paul Morin and Stephen Truscott were imprisoned for many years...Stephen Truscott for decades only to be found innocent after all that time. As much as we want someone to pay for a crime...we have to make sure that its the right someone that does.

I hope justice prevails in the matter with MR too..... my best to you

Remembering Tori <3

 

[robynhood]

Hi
My family and I followed Tori's case from beginning to end. We were/still are very sad about it and we went to the vigil in Woodstock when you were there. So I have every empathy for your situation... Tori was a beautiful child and I for one will remember how the purple balloons formed a butterfly when they were released that day in Woodstock....she won't be forgotten.

This case is a totally different case IMO and there is much more to it than two perpetrators picking up a victim , driving to a remote spot and killing them. IMO....

I have actually been doing a lot of sleuthing on my own time and away from this website...and I have to say that there is much that has been unsaid.... Lets hope justice is done, but in order to get it we have to have all the pieces.....

People like Guy Paul Morin and Stephen Truscott were imprisoned for many years...Stephen Truscott for decades only to be found innocent after all that time. As much as we want someone to pay for a crime...we have to make sure that its the right someone that does.

I hope justice prevails in the matter with MR too..... my best to you

Remembering Tori <3

>>>I was NOT IMPYING that the 2 cases were the same in any way...I was saying that a PUBLICATION ban is crucial as someone above was saying "why do we have them in Ont. in the year 2013...."

My post was trying to say HOW important they are to ALL MURDER cases...I want to see JUstice happen...I think Sharlene and Tim's family deserve that...at the very least.

I am agreeing amny missing pieces....and as hard as it is ...the PUBLIC will not know ....like in Tori Strafford's case...that is what I was posting...robynhood

...PLus

IMO I am sure when the court shows that evidence in court ....we will GASP as I did in the case I mentioned....HUGE pieces mssing here...I agree Blomquist....robynhood.:banghead:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Somehow TB's cellphone led LE to DM:

http://www.680news.com/2013/05/15/millard-to-face-1st-degree-murder-charge-in-bosmas-death/

Yes, TB's cellphone gave LE the number of the burner phone that had called him to arrange the test drive. The records from the burner phone led them to the other test drive from the day before. LE was trying to contact everyone who had been called from the burner phone.

Meanwhile, police have also been able to trace the phone number the suspects used back to a cellphone that stopped working soon after Bosma disappeared.

The cellphone was purchased about three months ago and was bought under a fake name, Kavanagh said.

Detectives said that cellphone was used in Etobicoke the day before Bosma disappeared and that they are making efforts to contact everyone who received a phone call from that number.

http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-cellphone-found-police-release-new-details-on-suspects-1.1275631

 

[Blomquist]

>>>I was NOT IMPYING that the 2 cases were the same in any way...I was saying that a PUBLICATION ban is crucial as someone above was saying "why do we have them in Ont. in the year 2013...."

My post was trying to say HOW important they are to ALL MURDER cases...I want to see JUstice happen...I think Sharlene and Tim's family deserve that...at the very least.

I am agreeing amny missing pieces....and as hard as it is ...the PUBLIC will not know ....like in Tori Strafford's case...that is what I was posting...robynhood

...PLus

IMO I am sure when the court shows that evidence in court ....we will GASP as I did in the case I mentioned....HUGE pieces mssing here...I agree Blomquist....robynhood.

Yes I agree with you about publication bans... I actually wrote that in a post a few posts back ... I also agree that all families involved at this time deserve such bans...

I also agree that the evidence when revealed in this case will cause many to gasp...as we did at the court for Tori.

Thank you for your posts.

 

[skatergirl]

Meanwhile, police have also been able to trace the phone number the suspects used back to a cellphone that stopped working soon after Bosma disappeared.

The cellphone was purchased about three months ago and was bought under a fake name, Kavanagh said.

Detectives said that cellphone was used in Etobicoke the day before Bosma disappeared and that they are making efforts to contact everyone who received a phone call from that number.

http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-cellphone-found-police-release-new-details-on-suspects-1.1275631

IMO this statement(bold above), means that LE either has recovered the burner phone and it is in evidence, or they have confirmation of the purchase records for it and they are in evidence, to know that the person who made the purchase, DM IMO, used a fake name in that transaction.

Either way LE is not going to release further details about it, as it is evidence in the case. MOO

 

[Blomquist]

So to bring the pieces of the puzzle together here is a synopsis of what I see as being the case so far. JMO

Initially DM was described by LE as a tall, unshaven white male who was wearing jeans and a long sleeve orange shirt , and was wearing sneakers. He was apparently identified by a tattoo which some say is common and others say is not that common. The word 'ambition' is either framed or not framed and originally was supposed to be on the wrist where one may wear a watch. However the tattoo in the pics of DM shows his tattoo as being somewhat higher than where one usually wears a watch JMO

It is hard to say whether or not IMO that the tattoo may or may not identify the suspect and/or the anonymous cell phone purchaser who may have or may not have bought the phone as part of a premeditated plan to cover a crime (murder) or for a chop shop which at this point has not been properly identified as a chop shop IMO

Apparently the burner phone number was the number used to reach the suspect regarding the test drive and said number was apparently found on TB's phone. hence the connection to a burner phone. We do not at this time know how the victim obtained the number for burner phone or if the burner phone number was stored in the incoming calls list. This information as yet has not been released. So safe to say we do not know for sure how initial contact was made at this point. JMO

This tall suspect apparently was accompanied by a shorter male of small to medium build who was apparently wearing a red hoody with the hood up. The two suspects arrived on foot or may have been dropped off depending on the version of events we read, around 9-30pm at the home of the victim TB.

The three people: suspects/accused DM , MS and the victim TB leave in TB's truck or maybe only TB and DM left in TB's truck as LE are not sure if maybe MS was driving a Yukon that was following TB's truck. So IMO either they were dropped off or were not dropped off OR they arrived in a Yukon that they parked up close by. OR the Yukon was driven by a third person who may or may not have been a female....but who now is looking more likely to have been MS according to LE's most recent press release. IMO

IMO it is extremely doubtful that DM and MS walked from Etobicoke so IMO they had to have been dropped off but I cannot be sure as LE says they arrived on foot at two test drives in two days.

Somewhere along the as yet unknown route one or the other suspects/accused or the possible 3trd or 4th suspect (which are now no longer suspects) murders TB somehow, as yet the way he was murdered has yet to be revealed. JMO

Along this unknown route which may or may not have gone through Brantford, it is believed that TB was murdered in his truck, or may not have been murdered in his truck as we do not know what the actual evidence is in regard to this situation.

However TB's cell phone was tossed into an area close to Paris Rd north west of Brantford..either deliberately in order to be found or simply tossed to get rid of it.... all names and numbers were left undeleted on said phone and this is apparently how LE were able to trace the burner phone, which as yet we do not know who purchased it, and the connection was somehow made to DM who may or may not have purchased the burner phone and who may or may not have made /received the calls to or from it.

We do not as yet know where TB was burned.... But we do know that he was burned and was not recognizable. But due to the 'totality of the evidence' which is as yet unknown he was eventually recognized and subsequently identified as TB.

So the truck was somehow and somewhere placed into a large black trailer and delivered to the driveway of MB on the night of Weds/Thurs 8th/9th May. It was discovered rather quickly due to the alert neighbours in that location who found it strange that someone would park a trailer on a driveway. JMO

This is pretty much what I see as being the case as per LE press releases....

However I find it hard to ignore the possibilty that this was a staged set up. Why would someone take the trouble to burn any evidence of themselves on a body yet call from a burner phone and not block the number when calling the victim. Then toss the victims phone somewhere where it was quickly found still containing the number(s) linking it to a burner or accused's actual phone ??? Then place the most significant evidence on your mothers doorstep and the burned body on your own property. To this end I must ask....why burn the body to eliminate evidence when you leave all other evidence conveniently pointing to you ??????? JMO MOO

I have based my opinion here on the information released to date.... I have formed it as my own opinion which it is...but can provide links if required...although all information contained above is from what has already been posted many many times and is what my views here are based on.

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-cellphone-found-police-release-new-details-on-suspects-1.1275631

IMO this statement(bold above), means that LE either has recovered the burner phone and it is in evidence, or they have confirmation of the purchase records for it and they are in evidence, to know that the person who made the purchase, DM IMO, used a fake name in that transaction.

Either way LE is not going to release further details about it, as it is evidence in the case. MOO

All that statement means to me is that LE has the phone number. From that, they can determine who the carrier is and get the records of all calls made from that phone from the carrier, as well as the name that the phone was purchased in. It would be nice if they had the actual phone and had a history of all calls both outgoing and incoming, as that might better help determine who actually had the phone. However, that article only says that they are trying to contact everyone who received a call from that phone. Nothing is said about contacting everyone who called that number.

JMO

 

[Blomquist]

All that statement means to me is that LE has the phone number. From that, they can determine who the carrier is and get the records of all calls made from that phone from the carrier, as well as the name that the phone was purchased in. It would be nice if they had the actual phone and had a history of all calls both outgoing and incoming, as that might better help determine who actually had the phone. However, that article only says that they are trying to contact everyone who received a call from that phone. Nothing is said about contacting everyone who called that number.

JMO

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Exactly !!!

 

[skatergirl]

All that statement means to me is that LE has the phone number. From that, they can determine who the carrier is and get the records of all calls made from that phone from the carrier, as well as the name that the phone was purchased in. It would be nice if they had the actual phone and had a history of all calls both outgoing and incoming, as that might better help determine who actually had the phone. However, that article only says that they are trying to contact everyone who received a call from that phone. Nothing is said about contacting everyone who called that number.

JMO

Ok, so they may or may not have the actual phone, as an aside-my cell phone records show both incoming and outgoing calls, but that was not really my point.
My point was that LE stated the phone was purchased using a fake name, so that leads me to believe they know who it was that purchased the phone, and that this person used a name other than their own, hence the statement that the phone was purchased using a fake name. MOO

 

[Blomquist]

Somehow TB's cellphone led LE to DM:

http://www.680news.com/2013/05/15/millard-to-face-1st-degree-murder-charge-in-bosmas-death/

I believe the burner phone led to the large guy in Etobicoke...who claims the guy he saw had a tattoo of the word ambition on his wrist....

From this point I am guessing that someone notified LE of DM having a similar tattoo !!! Jmo

 

[Sillybilly]

Someone has kindly provided a link showing the trailer belonged to MillardAir.

I would be wanting to know a few things first and would be sending out feelers to find out what was going on....maybe DP is doing just that .......

Do you believe that the truck was placed in the trailer and dropped off at MB by one individual?

Different strokes, different folks

I've had two jeeps stolen and have been on the phone to LE within seconds of discovering them missing.

Whoever drove/dropped the trailer at MB's either knew she was not there (and I believe DM is the most likely person to have known if she wasn't), or if she was there, then I believe it would have been DM (and possibly an accomplice) who would chance her being there and enquiring why he was leaving the trailer in her driveway.

 

[swedie]

My thinking is the same as yours swedie. Yes, the tattoo is important (as a piece of the overall puzzle). But to clarify my view, eyewitness statements are not always accurate. The description of the tattoo may not have been perfect, and probably wasn't. It may or may not have had a box around it. The shirt may or may not have been orange. It could have been red. In any case, it's obsurd IMO to think that if the description isn't exact then they must have the wrong guys, or it means they were set up.
Heck, we don't even know for sure if it was the tattoo that led to the arrest. Maybe they arrested DM because he was between 6'-1" and 6'-2". Or is he? Hummm.

I do agree with you also Ian, people can make and do make mistakes when giving descriptions of anything, and let's not forget the reporters who gather the information to report. We all know they make mistakes. I find it a bit of a stretch LE arrested these two based on the colour of shirts/hoodies, length of sleeves of shirts, or even height being their basis for the arrests. Again, I repeat, it was the fact two key witnesses saw the perps faces. We know typically people change their clothing from day to day. There may have been more people who have come forward, who may have seen the perps with TB that night (if they stopped for some reason, say to fuel up,), LE may have some video surveillance to positively ID the perps from a gas station. IMO this is what got them caught, surveillance from a business of the first test drive or during a stop the night they murdered TB. Then it was up to SB and the guy to positively ID them. We need to give "this guy" a name as I think it would save some explaining lol. I'm going to start calling him BO, as in business owner.

I recall the video surveillance LE gathered during the Victoria S. case. LE had videos from Home Depot, a parking lot, a few from ATM machines, NO ONE knew that evidence existed until it came to light through the trial and BINGO, it was very strong evidence which helped to put two behind bars. It is only my opinion and guess, LE were able to obtain video from a business within the area of the business DM and MS visited the previous day to test drive the first witnesses truck. Afterall, that witness said the two guys showed up at his business. I don't believe we are going to get any further information about this case until it goes to trial. And especially with the PB in effect. We can speculate until the cows come home but until more information is given, speculation is all we have. MOO

Now Hamilton police say a very similar incident happened in Toronto just 24 hours earlier. Police say two men walked up to a man&#8217;s business in the city and test drove his truck.

The business owner described the two men as suspicious and added to the description already provided by police.

http://globalnews.ca/news/551499/hamilton-police-to-provide-update-on-tim-bosma-case/

 

[swedie]

So from your post you are willing to believe that DM could have added more to his tattoo(s) but cannot see that there may be more to this case ? To a point I agree with your theory in the post before this quoted one...except I think there is more to it...I think more people are involved.... and I think one or possibly two people are a lot less involved than is the current popular belief. That is JMO .... MOO

Let's just say yes I am willing to believe DM may have revamped his tattoo sometime after those pictures we've seen floating around on the www of it. Whether it was within a year or two to days prior to TB's death, yes I do believe he could have and IMO probably did. I'll also say that IMO there is more to this case. We haven't been privy to it yet though. Do I believe DM and MS are TB's murderers? Is that what you are asking me? I certainly do!! About other suspects? At this time I don't believe there are others unless of course they have gone to LE to say they dropped DM and MS off at TB's home, had no idea what transpired (until the news broke) or what may have been planned by DM and MS. They may have cleared themselves of any wrong doing and we are not hearing about it due to the PB in place. IMO criminals like to keep their crimes hidden from people for obvious reasons. To involve more people than needed would mean a bigger chance of getting caught, being turned in, leak of information to others and so on.

 

[Sillybilly]

Let's just say yes I am willing to believe DM may have revamped his tattoo sometime after those pictures we've seen floating around on the www of it.

<rsbm>

I have a young relative who has some tatts and who still occasionally draws with black marker on his skin to resemble tatts. Same person will write phone numbers on his hand or arm. I can see someone sitting there doodling with a marker and drawing a box around a tattooed word.