General Discussion and Theories #3

[Archangel7]

Why? Any good press he had at the beginning of all this was either shrugged off or totally ignored. Why would now be any different?

JMO

What good press exactly? Good Press effect is a timely thing and besides it takes lots of atta boys to offset just one aww **** considering human nature.

Kind of a "what have you done for me today" concept.

However now that you brought it up, you're right, good press won't likely help him now.

What was I thinking? Evidence is evidence, good press or not.

 

[swedie]

What good press exactly? Good Press effect is a timely thing and besides it takes lots of atta boys to offset just one aww **** considering human nature.

Kind of a "what have you done for me today" concept.

However now that you brought it up, you're right, good press won't likely help him now.

What was I thinking? Evidence is evidence, good press or not.

B&UBM And all it takes is one piece of direct evidence to seal someone's fate. :bang:

Does DP classify as good press? :blushing: IIRC he's the only one who had anything good to say about DM. And do we even know if it's factual? It would be interesting to know how DP came to his beliefs on DM. Family, friends?

Oh yes there was the odd person who said he was a nice guy (real estate agent), generous (friends who DM bought JetSkis for and paid the tab at restaurants), a few people surprised to hear DM was arrested. But doesn't that happen with many people who are arrested for murder; people are shocked and thought so and so was a terrific person? I guess one could act like such a terrific person but still be a murderer. JMO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thanks for proving my point, Archangel and swedie.

Funny how those good comments are swept under the rug, but the one person who trashed him resulted in pages and pages of discussion.

JMO

 

[Archangel7]

Maybe the real truth won't cease to be ignored because of Press, good or bad.

Besides, evidence of crime reported in the media is much different than "I like him because he bought me a jet ski or he paid for my dinner."
The first is evidence of a crime, the last is "good press." So he could be a murderer that gets good press or an innocent man who gets good press?

I'm sure DP will parade as many "character" witnesses as he can afford, to sing the praises of DM. Pretty much SOP for a Defense Team.

It called the "baffle the jury with BS if you can't dazzle them with the brilliance of evidence" strategy and hope for a mistrial or hung jury.

If it actually ever goes to trial.

I almost guarantee the Crown has a Blucher in the wings if it does. I can imagine at least one.

 

[Sillybilly]

Maybe the real truth won't cease to be ignored because of Press, good or bad.

<rsbm>

True ... we don't know if DM is a good guy or a bad guy; only evidence that comes out at trial will ultimately answer that for us.

Don't know who or what a "Blucher" is, but we can all recall a "Bundy" ... great guy until evidence proved otherwise. Nobody was more surprised than Ann Rule who was a close friend of his for over 18 years.

 

[Arnie M]

Thanks for proving my point, Archangel and swedie.

Funny how those good comments are swept under the rug, but the one person who trashed him resulted in pages and pages of discussion.

JMO

If ur needn' some good comments about criminals .... here 'ya go m'dear

-- he was a real sweetheart
--he lived with his girlfriend, Julie, and regularly took the couple’s dogs out for walks
--Another resident described him as "a great neighbor.”
--he treated neighborhood children to rides on his motorcycle for their birthdays

.

Then the darn police had to come along and say....

--Detectives investigating the weekend shooting of a former Hells Angel are looking closely at an argument he had with a woman in an east end bar shortly before he was chased by two gunmen and killed.
--police know him as a former biker with a extensive criminal record including crimes of violence
--Thom, the lead investigator in the case, said Malone was “previously a member of the Hells Angels” and had accumulated an “extensive and violent criminal record.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/police-retracing-hamilton-biker-s-final-hours-1.2423163

 

[skatergirl]

<snip>

typooooooo ... of course, that should read "Concordia".

AB has also been editor of a major newspaper in the past, the Doronto Star, lol and by that I do mean Toronto Star:floorlaugh:

 

[Alethea Dice]

If ur needn' some good comments about criminals .... here 'ya go m'dear

-- he was a real sweetheart
--he lived with his girlfriend, Julie, and regularly took the couple’s dogs out for walks
--Another resident described him as "a great neighbor.”
--he treated neighborhood children to rides on his motorcycle for their birthdays

.

Then the darn police had to come along and say....

--Detectives investigating the weekend shooting of a former Hells Angel are looking closely at an argument he had with a woman in an east end bar shortly before he was chased by two gunmen and killed.
--police know him as a former biker with a extensive criminal record including crimes of violence
--Thom, the lead investigator in the case, said Malone was “previously a member of the Hells Angels” and had accumulated an “extensive and violent criminal record.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/police-retracing-hamilton-biker-s-final-hours-1.2423163

I wasn't asking for good comments about other criminals, but thanks anyway.

I simply pointed out that any good comments are ignored, even if the accused doesn't have a criminal record and wasn't a former Hells Angel.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

<rsbm>

True ... we don't know if DM is a good guy or a bad guy; only evidence that comes out at trial will ultimately answer that for us.

Don't know who or what a "Blucher" is, but we can all recall a "Bundy" ... great guy until evidence proved otherwise. Nobody was more surprised than Ann Rule who was a close friend of his for over 18 years.

Blucher was a general in the Napoleanic Wars. But I think he might mean the shoe that was named after him.

JMO

 

[skatergirl]

So I have a general question which may seem silly, but I have to ask...

Ever since the time change when I am not logged in here the time displayed for posts is showing as an hour later than the actual post time, so as an example a post made at 3:15 will say it was posted at 4:15, even though I may be viewing it at 4:00. When I log in the time displays correctly. Is there some way to fix that, or does it go back only when the time changes again in the spring lol:floorlaugh: Just curious

 

[Coldpizza]

So I have a general question which may seem silly, but I have to ask...

Ever since the time change when I am not logged in here the time displayed for posts is showing as an hour later than the actual post time, so as an example a post made at 3:15 will say it was posted at 4:15, even though I may be viewing it at 4:00. When I log in the time displays correctly. Is there some way to fix that, or does it go back only when the time changes again in the spring lol:floorlaugh: Just curious

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Hth

 

[Alethea Dice]

AB has also been editor of a major newspaper in the past, the Doronto Star, lol and by that I do mean Toronto Star:floorlaugh:

You're right. In the living section, if I recall correctly. Not a news editor.

JMO

 

[Arnie M]

I wasn't asking for good comments about other criminals, but thanks anyway.

I simply pointed out that any good comments are ignored, even if the accused doesn't have a criminal record and wasn't a former Hells Angel.

JMO

Fair enough A.D. .... but if we look close there have been quite a few "nice" things mentioned about DM .... his aviation accomplishments at 14 yrs old .... the successful family aviation business .... his humble attitude .... never flaunted his wealth .... always a gentleman ... etc .... .... and when the public sees a flaw we are quick to pile it on.
If DM had been a regular "car thief" with a known history this case would have received much less publicity.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Fair enough A.D. .... but if we look close there have been quite a few "nice" things mentioned about DM .... his aviation accomplishments at 14 yrs old .... the successful family aviation business .... his humble attitude .... never flaunted his wealth .... always a gentleman ... etc .... .... and when the public sees a flaw we are quick to pile it on.
If DM had been a regular "car thief" with a known history this case would have received much less publicity.

I totally agree. I'm also glad to hear that someone else does actually remember that there were good things said. I just think both sides should be a part of the equation, not just the flaw.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

from:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/annbrocklehurst

Among other things, she worked for Reuters as a business reporter in Toronto and an editor on the Asia desk in Hong Kong. She covered East Germany's transition from communism to capitalism as a Berlin-based correspondent for the International Herald Tribune.

Ann's written speeches for former Bank of Canada governor David Dodge and developed websites, e-newsletters and e-mail campaigns for CIBC Asset Management.

She launched a television and movie magazine for Bell ExpressVu and was editor-in-chief of Air Canada's enRoute magazine.

(^^ International Herald Tribune = International New York Times)

Does the above somehow make an investigative journalist less qualified to find and report facts on other current events?

 

[Archangel7]

<rsbm>

True ... we don't know if DM is a good guy or a bad guy; only evidence that comes out at trial will ultimately answer that for us.

Don't know who or what a "Blucher" is, but we can all recall a "Bundy" ... great guy until evidence proved otherwise. Nobody was more surprised than Ann Rule who was a close friend of his for over 18 years.

bbm

Sorry all,

Field Marshal Blucher, showed up at the battle of Waterloo just in time to hand Napoleon his defeat and his "exile papers."

Kind of prophetic eh?

 

[Arnie M]

I totally agree. I'm also glad to hear that someone else does actually remember that there were good things said. I just think both sides should be a part of the equation, not just the flaw.

JMO

Actually I wish DM was not guilty in any of this .... I am a helicopter pilot and we just dont do things like that (kill and steal) .... our greatest moments are when we rescue and save.

DM's solo flight at 14 was big news in the helicopter industry and to many of us he was a bit of a hero ... not only that he did it in the Robinson R22 which is one of the harder ones to learn on (touchy sensitive controls)

 

[Alethea Dice]

bbm

Sorry all,

Field Marshal Blucher, showed up at the battle of Waterloo just in time to hand Napoleon his defeat and his "exile papers."

Kind of prophetic eh?

Not really, since we won't know how accurate the prophesy is until after the battle has been fought. Or, if we're using Blucher and Napoleon as the prophesy, it may take 3 or 4 retrials or appeals before the final defeat.

But, since you bring it up, do you mind me asking who you think the Crown's Blucher might be?

JMO & TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

Actually I wish DM was not guilty in any of this .... I am a helicopter pilot and we just dont do things like that (kill and steal) .... our greatest moments are when we rescue and save.

DM's solo flight at 14 was big news in the helicopter industry and to many of us he was a bit of a hero ... not only that he did it in the Robinson R22 which is one of the harder ones to learn on (touchy sensitive controls)

Me too, Arnie. I think one of the worst things that ever happened to him was when someone hooked him up with MS. In spite of all the attention being focused on DM, I think MS was the man with a plan and the one that carried out that plan. But that's just my opinion at the moment. I will patiently wait for the trial to see how much DM knew or agreed to in advance (if it even comes out then). If I'm wrong, oh well, at least I've been willing to wait for a chance for his story to come out.

JMO

 

[Variant]

Actually I wish DM was not guilty in any of this .... I am a helicopter pilot and we just dont do things like that (kill and steal) .... our greatest moments are when we rescue and save.

DM's solo flight at 14 was big news in the helicopter industry and to many of us he was a bit of a hero ... not only that he did it in the Robinson R22 which is one of the harder ones to learn on (touchy sensitive controls)

I wish LB wasn't missing, WM wasn't dead and TB wasn't dead, body treated with indignity. DM is the common link and chief suspect in two and charged in the other.