General Discussion and Theories #3

[Archangel7]

Not really, since we won't know how accurate the prophesy is until after the battle has been fought. Or, if we're using Blucher and Napoleon as the prophesy, it may take 3 or 4 retrials or appeals before the final defeat.

But, since you bring it up, do you mind me asking who you think the Crown's Blucher might be?

JMO & TIA

AD,

I believe it is someone close to the perps. I believe the evidence will convict without this person but they would be used at last resort as a closer if needed. Prelim hearing will likely validate the Blucher depending on if they are listed and ultimately used.

I can't give any names(speculate) but I would say if you speculate any at all you will come to the same possibles.

 

[Arnie M]

Mechanic ?

 

[Variant]

Me too, Arnie. I think one of the worst things that ever happened to him was when someone hooked him up with MS. In spite of all the attention being focused on DM, I think MS was the man with a plan and the one that carried out that plan. But that's just my opinion at the moment. I will patiently wait for the trial to see how much DM knew or agreed to in advance (if it even comes out then). If I'm wrong, oh well, at least I've been willing to wait for a chance for his story to come out.

JMO

I expect that MS family and friends think that one of the worst things that ever happened to him was when someone hooked him up with DM. According to available information, until then the worst he was involved in were relatively minor crimes and misdemeanors. DM association brought him to a new level.

 

[Archangel7]

It's called Synergy...........
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts- Aristotle

Sometimes the emerging combined evil is greater/larger/worse than the propensity of evil for each individual and we see it everyday in crime. History continues to remind us of Bernardo/Homolka, Coleman/Brown,...

It will be interesting to see who is the manipulator/instigator and there is the possibility of one being an accessory. Which if true, likely means a much lesser sentence possible, which makes that person more likely to plea and testify against the other one.

 

[Alethea Dice]

AD,

I believe it is someone close to the perps. I believe the evidence will convict without this person but they would be used at last resort as a closer if needed. Prelim hearing will likely validate the Blucher depending on if they are listed and ultimately used.

I can't give any names(speculate) but I would say if you speculate any at all you will come to the same possibles.

Well, I can think of two or three possibilities, but one probably would stand out more than the others.

Thanks.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I expect that MS family and friends think that one of the worst things that ever happened to him was when someone hooked him up with DM. According to available information, until then the worst he was involved in were relatively minor crimes and misdemeanors. DM association brought him to a new level.

You may be right, but I take into consideration that DM had no previous record. One of MS's previous crimes was originally reported as possession for the purpose of trafficking, and since those drugs were reported to be cocaine and mushrooms, I don't look at it as being all that minor. Add to that his preferred nickname of SAY10 and his gangsta lifestyle, and he's no angel to be corrupted by anyone else.

Court records show Smich has several criminal convictions, including possession for the purpose of trafficking in 2006 and impaired driving in 2010. He is also scheduled to appear in court on a charge of mischief next month.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty-1.1305972

Mr. Smich’s rap sheet includes possession of cocaine and magic mushrooms, failure to appear in court, breach of a mandated curfew and driving while impaired. In the fall of 2012, he and another man were chased by police after allegedly spray-painting a highway overpass, authorities said at the time.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

Maybe this says it best...

Was Millard led astray by Smich? Was it the other way around? Or did two like-minded adrenaline-junkies find they had much in common? The devil and his partner - though who can say for sure which role, if any, either played.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130524-085924.html

JMO

 

[swedie]

You may be right, but I take into consideration that DM had no previous record. One of MS's previous crimes was originally reported as possession for the purpose of trafficking, and since those drugs were reported to be cocaine and mushrooms, I don't look at it as being all that minor. Add to that his preferred nickname of SAY10 and his gangsta lifestyle, and he's no angel to be corrupted by anyone else.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty-1.1305972



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

Maybe this says it best...



http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130524-085924.html

JMO

BBM Yes DM had no previous criminal record. And some people are just lucky enough to fly under the radar. I can think of so, so many people who did just that until eventually they get caught. Some people never get caught. As we've discussed previously; RW, CO, PB are great examples here in Canada.

Would be interesting to find out how long DM and MS have known each other and who was providing MS his stash of illegal substances to traffic.

It's also been suggested DM is intelligent; maybe intelligent enough to know not to post traceable information by the general public on www. Taking into consideration his fb account. Seems apparent he wanted to remain anonymous, except for those who knew him. MS did seem to flaunt his gangsta lifestyle and dressed the part whereas DM may have been intelligent enough not to draw attention to himself that way by acting and dressing more casual or conservative. All JMO.

 

[swedie]

Is this perhaps implying that DM is now responsible for an accident that happened at his workplace in 2005? Is there no end to the things this kid will be accused of before this is done? Give me a break. And the family that had the workplace accident happen to their loved one, how will they feel about having their name and that person's memory dragged into this mess forever?

I believe AB is saying DM was stopped for a routine traffic stop and a cop happened to notice his tattoo? Didn't the MSM report that DM was followed for hours by police before he was arrested without incident? Will MSM pick up this new story, will it pass their more strenuous litmus test?

On a side note, I noticed that someone's blog must be doing well enough financially off of this tragedy to be able to pay for one of the top ads at Google when someone googles DM's name. To me, I personally find it very distasteful that someone is specifically paying to advertise by promoting themselves in connection with a very sad, terrible catastrophe that happened to a good family. That, to me is one of the definitions of exploiting a tragedy for personal gain, but again, that is my personl opinion only.

BBM May I ask which good family you are reffering to in this post? I have a few in mind who have been subjected to a terrible catastrophe, with DM being the common denominator. TIA.

 

[swedie]

Well, that answers the question about how many of his friends jumped on the phone to report his tattoo.

JMO

I would not eliminate friends or acquaintances phoning in tips just yet. Nor would I eliminate the four hour tracking/trailing by LE of DM prior to him being pulled over. LE have to have a reason for pulling someone over HTH.
:moo:

 

[swedie]

Thanks for the link Ianman. Guess it depends if it's early 2015- IMO, that wouldn't be too bad. Right now, these little court appearances gives MS and DM something to look forward to; breaks up the monotony. With MS in Toronto and not living 23 hours a day in segregation, I'm thinking that the next 14-18 months may go much faster for MS than for DM. I wonder what ever happened to any bail plans. MOO

Hi MsS! I've been missing reading your informative and logical posts. Do you know why MS is in GP and DM is in segregation? Could it be because each chose where they prefer to be or could it be because MS may have already had a taste of prison in the past and can walk the walk and talk the talk?

IMHO I don't think the bail issue was ever considered by DP as he knows what the evidence is against his client and doesn't want to tread in that area.

Some lawyers know when to hold their tongues; it's called pride. :blushing: And that's JMOO.

 

[Juballee]

You may be right, but I take into consideration that DM had no previous record. One of MS's previous crimes was originally reported as possession for the purpose of trafficking, and since those drugs were reported to be cocaine and mushrooms, I don't look at it as being all that minor. Add to that his preferred nickname of SAY10 and his gangsta lifestyle, and he's no angel to be corrupted by anyone else.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty-1.1305972



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

Maybe this says it best...



http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130524-085924.html

JMO

Between these links and looking back on the original MS thread recently, I can understand why people seem reluctant to address why they might think DM is more likely to be the actual murderer out of the two suspects in custody at this time. I would still be really interested to find out who the 3rd and possibly 4th suspects might be; to see if they are more the gangster with a previous record type or are more the prep-school, clean record type. Perhaps that would give us more insight.

 

[Archangel7]

Between these links and looking back on the original MS thread recently, I can understand why people seem reluctant to address why they might think DM is more likely to be the actual murderer out of the two suspects in custody at this time. I would still be really interested to find out who the 3rd and possibly 4th suspects might be; to see if they are more the gangster with a previous record type or are more the prep-school, clean record type. Perhaps that would give us more insight.

From past experience it usually is requested by the inmate to be in GP rather than alone(if it's not disciplinary) and they usually are in Pretrial GP, unless there is reason not to be.

DM is likely not in GP as he would be an automatic target for all types of jailhouse games. He may be unreachable by GP so he can throw MS under the bus with some impunity or he already has possibly.

Remember Shakespeare's Macbeth? Lady Macbeth was a murderess as a manipulator and accomplice yet her husband did the deed. So maybe DM was the manipulator/accomplice but not the doer. Since he has all the info and the will to sell MS out he is somewhat protected until trial, possibly.

 

[hopingforjustice]

I think one thing most of us agree on here is that there are 2 people being held that are both associated with the death of TB.

My personal thoughts are that they are both as guilty as the other..I don't care who "pulled the trigger". If it was one or both.or more. .Each one is as much a guilty by the act or omission.

If the law says that one is not breaking it by not reporting what he saw/knows, then that is the law and we have to live with it and they will live their guilt! I can only hope they get nailed as partner(s) in the crime.

Would the innocent party(s) not have avoided a whole lot of jail time and Murder charges if they had just come forward and done the right thing at the time. This makes no sense to me at all. If not at the time..at the time of arrest, I would be screaming from the roof tops of my innocence.

To speculate on who manipulated who is anyone's guess at this point.

Known bad boy?vs clean cut boy?. But to surmise that DM is not guilty because he has no criminal record and was a "nice guy" (might want to ask the parents of who booked JWG to entertain their kids) and MS is guilty simply due to his past amateur drug charges and graffiti is prejudice at best.
Yes a lot of criminals are criminals for life...but MS was a neighborhood . I highly doubt he had what it takes to fit into the big crime scene.

Either way.. Both these men (and any others) need to be tried to the fullest..

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

It's also been suggested DM is intelligent; maybe intelligent enough to know not to post traceable information by the general public on www. Taking into consideration his fb account. Seems apparent he wanted to remain anonymous, except for those who knew him. MS did seem to flaunt his gangsta lifestyle and dressed the part whereas DM may have been intelligent enough not to draw attention to himself that way by acting and dressing more casual or conservative. All JMO.

It's been my experience that most adults do keep their FB accounts set to private and share only with their friends, not the world.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I would not eliminate friends or acquaintances phoning in tips just yet. Nor would I eliminate the four hour tracking/trailing by LE of DM prior to him being pulled over. LE have to have a reason for pulling someone over HTH.
:moo:

Actually, they don't have to have a reason to pull you over. It's called a street check and then they fill out the "208" contact card with your name, address, description, and anything else they make note of at the time. And, according to the article, that is what led them to DM.

More recently, a physical feature recorded on a “208” contact card during a traffic stop led police to accused murderer Dellen Millard.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/18/carding_by_toronto_police_drops_sharply.html

 

[Alethea Dice]

To speculate on who manipulated who is anyone's guess at this point.

Known bad boy?vs clean cut boy?. But to surmise that DM is not guilty because he has no criminal record and was a "nice guy" (might want to ask the parents of who booked JWG to entertain their kids) and MS is guilty simply due to his past amateur drug charges and graffiti is prejudice at best.
Yes a lot of criminals are criminals for life...but MS was a neighborhood . I highly doubt he had what it takes to fit into the big crime scene.

Either way.. Both these men (and any others) need to be tried to the fullest..

JMO

rsbm

Who said that DM was not guilty because he has no criminal record and was a nice guy? I believe we were discussing who may or may not have led the other down the wrong path. Not who was guilty and who was not guilty.

Neighbourhood thugs don't steal trucks or kill people? I think I need to move to your city.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

From past experience it usually is requested by the inmate to be in GP rather than alone(if it's not disciplinary) and they usually are in Pretrial GP, unless there is reason not to be.

rsbm

Yes, in my city, when you are arrested or serving pre-trial time in the detention centre, you are asked if you want protective custody. The majority, I believe, request GP. Unless you're considered at risk or a danger to others, it's your choice.

I'm wondering why everyone thinks that MS is in GP? The last I remember hearing it mentioned was the interview with the reporter. He had been moved to Toronto, but was back in segregation. Has there been something more recent than this?

While he assumes many of the other inmates recognize his name and his high-profile case, he says he has not been targeted in any way. He says he gets outside, but not often — especially now that he’s in segregation again.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/12/tim_bosma_murder_men_accused_of_slaying_say_they_want_to_tell_their_story_but_cant.html

From the same article:

Smich has been at this jail since Aug. 26, when he was transferred from the Niagara Detention Centre. There, he says, they kept putting him in segregation.

There must be a reason they kept putting him in segregation.

JMO

 

[swedie]

Actually, they don't have to have a reason to pull you over. It's called a street check and then they fill out the "208" contact card with your name, address, description, and anything else they make note of at the time. And, according to the article, that is what led them to DM.



http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/18/carding_by_toronto_police_drops_sharply.html

Interesting article regarding the 208 contact card for anyone interested. The conclusion at the end on page 14 is worthy of consideration as we in Canada do have constitutional rights which may be in violation with the use of the card.

I speculate the contact card was used as an excuse to pull DM over "just in case" he didn't fit the possible suspect tips called into LE. At the time of DM's arrests there were at least 300 tips called in, so again I have to speculate at least one must have had to have reference to DM. I suspect a tip on his tattoo. :moo:

http://www.rogerrowelaw.com/documen...l_Paper_by_Roger_Allegations_of_Profiling.pdf

 

[ABro]

My understanding is the 208 contact card was given before Tim Bosma disappeared. Weeks, months, perhaps years earlier.

Based on that contact card, they were able to identify and locate Dellen Millard.

 

[Alethea Dice]

My understanding is the 208 contact card was given before Tim Bosma disappeared. Weeks, months, perhaps years earlier.

Based on that contact card, they were able to identify and locate Dellen Millard.

Yes, that's what I understood too. The contact card had information on it about the tattoo and, from that, they were able to find him.

JMO